AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Now...now. We would not want to hurt someone's little feelings by calling attention to the fact they may not being doing what they are paid to do. You know those mean ole business owners should not make a profit. They are there simply to provide a place for people to go each day. :mrgreen:

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Why should any company be required to pay someone for not doing a job that they hired on to do?? The company is in the business of producing a quality product at the lowest cost. Labor is a huge part of that cost. Did you ever dream it would cost you the price of a home to buy a car?? Unions... How many GM recalls are there now?? Unions....
A man should be responsible, and accountable for the quality of his work. Period. Especially in the Auto industry. Peoples lives depend on it.

UAW will eventually fail. People don't want it. Others will follow. If you are afraid of being held accountable for your own work, join a union.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

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saveamerica Loc: Texas

In America, Unions should be done away with, they are not needed.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I know...poor UAW workers. They have the biggest pity party going in the entire world. There are, literally, UAW illiterate auto workers making a very good salary, with benefits! yet they begrudge anyone making more. Certainly, there are executives who make more then they are worth; however, it is those same executives who are accountable for the poor workmanship causing massive recalls of UAW built vehicles.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

He actually believes what he posted. He has posted those exact statements before. He is probably gainfully employed because a union has protected his job performance.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

If, and that is a BIG 'if', she has ever been "gainfully employed". I don't consider being a paid troll as being "gainfully employed".

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Here is one for you: Years ago, I managed a frieght dock where we had a retired Teamster driving part time helping us out. I had to be real careful where I sent him, because if he was seen driving for a non-union company, and reported, he could lose his pension. He was RETIRED!! Yet the Teamsters still owned him. I have never forgotten that. We know retired railroaders who have told us that thier contract requires them to v**e democrat, or risk thier pensions.
And a union is good how?

moldyoldy

No union can tell you how to v**e, or even verify who you v**e for. I'm sure you will have some i***ts who believe you though.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

:?: :lol: :D I want to know why it was you managing? I v**e for Mrs. B managing. :thumbup:

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Unless the v****g precinct happens to be in an area where the majority of v****g citizens are union members. It is called solving for X.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

That is what I have been told by more than 1 one person. Can't confirm or deny.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a retired government worker with 30+ years of service. During my career, I was a "union rep" for the Engineering Association, the "union" that represented the non-management engineers and engineering technicians in my area. My job was to try to work out issues between the employees and management; usually over working conditions or, what boiled down to personality conflicts.

Being a federal employee, there is one, huge difference in the "get their attention" arsenal of tools that government unions don't have, that the outside unions do have is - the ability to strike. If any of you are old enought to remember what Reagan did to the air traffic controllers who tried to strike to get better working conditions, you can attest to what I mean.

Basically, all our union could, and did do, was to negotiate wages and benefits for our members. And, I must add, that, had we allowed the agency to just give us the " from zero to nothing" raises and benefits they wanted to give, most every engineer and tech in the agency would've left to go into private industry.

So, I freely admit to being pro-union. That said, you anti-unionists, need to go back to history class and reread what working conditions were like before unions came on the scene. Look up where 40 hour work weeks came from; where medical insurance coverage came from; where getting paid holidays and sick days came from; where safer working environments came from; where getting 'workers comp' came from; where getting dental and vision coverages came from. Had it not been for the unions fighting for these, there wouldn't be any "standard benefits package" today. And, before you go off and say "Well, I don't get these now," let me ask you, "Is your work location unionized?"

To you that would say that 'unions have out-lived their usefulness,' I would respond, you need to look around and see how many companies are now dropping many of the benefits unions brought to the scene. I see lots of places that tell their workers that they must work more than 40 hours per week at straight time. Is that fair? I see where lots of employers are only listing employees as 'part-time' or cutting hours in order to get around their having to offer full-time benefits. Is that fair?

See how quickly business will drop pay and benefits, just to make their bottom line grow bigger? And, what gets me is just how many people fall for it.

Of course, the ultimate employer threat is: "Well, if you don't like what we give you, you can go elsewhere. We have 200 other people wanting a job." Maybe. But, if you've been there a while and know your job, the company has to find someone that's trainable enough to full your slot. That slows down productivity and profit; two things businesses don't like.

It was mentioned in previous posts about the UAW and foreign car companies. I live within a 2-hour drive of a GM plant, 2 Nissan plants, 2 Toyota plants, a Chrysler plant, and a VW plant. The Nissan and Toyota plants aren't unionized, but the GM and the Chrysler plants are and the VW plant's management wants to be.

Had it not been for unprecedented interference by Sen. Corker and Gov. Haslem, both Republicans from Tennessee, plus the Republican controlled Tennessee legislature, and other outside, anti-union, special interest groups, I have no doubt, the workers at the VW plant would've v**ed to unionize. Again, the VW MANAGEMENT wants the union in their plant!

Read the news release from a Chattanooga TV station, WRCB Channel 3, regarding the VW plant.

UAW: Majority of workers at Chattanooga VW plant have signed union cards
By Associated Press
By ERIK SCHELZIG and TOM KRISHER, Associated Press

NASHVILLE, TN (AP) - A majority of workers at Volkswagen's assembly plant in Tennessee have signed cards favoring the union's representation in creating a German-style works council at the plant, a top United Auto Workers official said.

Gary Casteel, a Tennessee-based regional director for the UAW, told The Associated Press that the cards include a statement about wanting to join VW's Global Works Council and supporting cooperative and collaborative relations with the company. The cards are as legally binding as an e******n by the workers at the plant in Chattanooga, he said.

Union representation at Volkswagen would signal a sea change in labor relations among foreign automakers who have resisted unions at their plants in the South.

Foreign-based automakers have resisted the union because of what they consider added costs, burdensome work rules and added layers of bureaucracy. The UAW has tried to get away from that, portraying itself as an ally of the automakers as they try to boost productivity.

"With input from the employees they can increase their through-put, quality, efficiency, health and safety," Casteel said.

But Republican politicians in the region have expressed fears that a UAW foothold at Volkswagen could spread to other automakers and hurt future recruiting efforts.

Casteel said the union has not put a formal timeline on when it would seek official recognition at the plant.

"We're interested in bringing a new labor model to the U.S.," he said. "That's the reason we continue to work on this."

In Germany, wages are bargained through the union, while works councils negotiate plant-specific matters like job security and working conditions.

Labor representatives, who make up half of the Wolfsburg, Germany-based automaker's supervisory board, have pressured VW management to enter discussions about union representation at the U.S. plant. The Chattanooga factory is alone among Volkswagen's major factories around the world without formal labor representation.

Plant managers last week sent a letter to workers at the plant confirming discussions with the UAW about the creation of a works council in Chattanooga. That move drew the ire of Republican U.S. Sen. Bob Corker, a former Chattanooga mayor, who said Tuesday that Volkswagen would become a "laughingstock" if it welcomed the UAW into its plant.

A Volkswagen spokesman at the plant declined to comment on the UAW claim of having signed up a majority of workers, instead referring to last week's letter that said: "Volkswagen values the rights of its employees in all locations to an operational representation of interests."

Casteel said the UAW has determined it has a "solid majority" of the workers at the plant signing cards. He said all of the union's talks with VW have been amicable. "We hope to continue that," he said.

Casteel would not say when the union would meet with VW again and declined to describe specifics about the framework of a works council proposal. He said the union's role would be "totally different" from established relationships with U.S. automakers.

"I can't give you the details because we're just not ready," he said. "It's a totally new form of representation."

Krisher reported from Detroit.

Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

So, for a political party that p***es itself on staying out of the way of business, for the Repubs in Tennessee to pressure VW to not unionize, even to the point of threatening to withhold $300,000,000 in incentives for an expansion at the VW plant, is pure hypocrisy on the Tennessee elected officials. It's just another way the Repubs do business - our way or the highway.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Oh!! You have no idea Aunti!! Mrs. B. was my secret weapon against difficult consignees who demanded liftgate service, but didn't want to pay the liftgate fee. Send her in a truck/van with their freight, and it would get unloaded without complaint. She has the blonde hair, blue eyes, and is the master of the blonde ankle twist! :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

I lack the b/b assets; however, have been known to thicken the slow, southern, oh help me you big strong man attitude. It is rare, but has occurred. :idea: :-P :-)