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Jun 1, 2014 16:48:16   #
moldyoldy
 
AuntiE wrote:
You are now using a nonunion shop as your criteria. Wow...does what Toyota accomplishes, with non union, give you a message. Next up would be VW, Nissan, and Honda.


They have good wages and benefits, they do not need a union. American business screws the workers first. Management does not earn 1000 times what a worker makes in japanese plants.

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Jun 1, 2014 16:48:34   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
bmac32 wrote:
To the Japanese automobile manufacturers, unions are the plague. And the United Auto Workers (UAW) admit to having a tough time getting new union members when they visit Japanese manufacturers' plants (called 't***splants') in the U.S. "People just aren’t interested," said one union organizer.The Japanese auto makers in the U.S. seem to be winning their battle with the UAW because the people they employ seem convinced that the benefits are good and that the union couldn't do any better. Moreover, these auto makers tend to build plants in the U.S. in areas that have a low average wage for laborers. Worse, conditions are better in t***splants in some areas. An example of a happy plant of workers is in the Toyota plant in Georgetown, Kentucky. The workers are now being paid more and getting better bonuses than UAW workers average at domestic plants. Yet the UAW continues to try. It attempted to organize the workers at the Subaru plant in Lafayette at least three times. The result? Nada, nothing. The plant will be producing Camrys (pictured) in a joint venture with Toyota in April. Our take? The strength of the UAW has ebbed substantially. In 1979 the union had a membership of 1.5 million. By 2005 it had plunged to 600,000. Unless the t***splants do something real stupid like slashing wages in half or eliminating medical benefits, we see union membership continue to dwindle.

http://www.automotive.com/news/uaw-and-why-honda-and-toyota-workers-are-not-interested-1478/
To the Japanese automobile manufacturers, unions a... (show quote)


I believe we can add, also, the work force is better educated then when unions originated. Though our education system is abysmal, older workers, since union origination, have been going further in school. They have learned how to negotiate for themselves. They spend time learning ways to talk with management. Why would an individual give their hard earned money to someone to do something they can manage on their own? Why would any rational thinking individual give money away to see their union leaders in expensive suits and cars and making more annually then they do?

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Jun 1, 2014 16:50:24   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
archie bunker wrote:
I understand that the employees in these non-union shops are happy with thier wage/benefit packages, workplace safety, etc. AND they make a quality product; AND the companys they work for don't owe the American taxpayers billions that will never be repaid. All without union "protection." Go figure.


It is my understanding, in fact, some may be making more then their union counterparts. :D

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Jun 1, 2014 17:28:59   #
faithistheword
 
dennisimoto wrote:
Say, Joe. Is what you are smoking available to the general public? Unions are about more & more power and money for the Union Bosses. The members are just a means to an end. The poor boobs think their money is going to get themselves higher wages & more benefits but that is all window dressing. It's all about the Union Steward's next Caddie.



I don't know about the union steward--in my experience, the stewards are just another union member, with a slight hike in pay, and a lot of power over his co-workers. But the union officials---THAT'S another story! They get high salaries AND a lot of power over the workers. They don't really give a damn about those workers, either, until contract time, or e******ns for union heads. Unions are the biggest racket in the country.

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Jun 1, 2014 17:38:15   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
AuntiE wrote:
It is my understanding, in fact, some may be making more then their union counterparts. :D


On the flip side though: Non-union workers may face disciplinary action for not properly performing thier duties!! :shock: :shock:
How awful is that?

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Jun 1, 2014 17:53:32   #
moldyoldy
 
AuntiE wrote:
I believe we can add, also, the work force is better educated then when unions originated. Though our education system is abysmal, older workers, since union origination, have been going further in school. They have learned how to negotiate for themselves. They spend time learning ways to talk with management. Why would an individual give their hard earned money to someone to do something they can manage on their own? Why would any rational thinking individual give money away to see their union leaders in expensive suits and cars and making more annually then they do?
I believe we can add, also, the work force is bett... (show quote)


One person has no power, united there is power.

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Jun 1, 2014 18:10:32   #
watchout
 
According to Jim Hightower, labor unions contributed $177 million to candidates in the 2012 e******n; corporate executives spent $2.6 billion. For some reason it pleases many people to accuse unions of corrupting the nation - and Democrats and Barack Obama. Gotta have someone to h**e, maybe, and to feel smarter than. Unions have less wealth and power than ever, thanks to Republicans and corporations. Democrats are regularly pushed aside in Congress. Republicans control Congress (and pretty much have for eight of the last ten Congresses. Their religion is to prevent Obama from accomplishing anything. They corrupted the White House and the U.S., as well, for eight years, with wars on the national credit card, the Second Big Republican Deficit, privatizing public tasks to unaccountable corporations, et cetera.
Yet people love to blame unions, Democrats, and President Obama for practically everything that's happened for the last twenty years. Washington is a sick place, but it's because of Democrats and unions and not because of Barack Obama. If people could remember something of what's been happening for the last three decades, not just the last month of F**es News creative reporting, we'd have less B.S. to hear and read, and perhaps more effective politicians in Washington. Why is it more pleasing to Americans to have scapegoats than it is to have honest politicians who care about all American citizens? Is the need for scapegoats that much stronger?

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Jun 1, 2014 18:17:22   #
faithistheword
 
watchout wrote:
According to Jim Hightower, labor unions contributed $177 million to candidates in the 2012 e******n; corporate executives spent $2.6 billion. For some reason it pleases many people to accuse unions of corrupting the nation - and Democrats and Barack Obama. Gotta have someone to h**e, maybe, and to feel smarter than. Unions have less wealth and power than ever, thanks to Republicans and corporations. Democrats are regularly pushed aside in Congress. Republicans control Congress (and pretty much have for eight of the last ten Congresses. Their religion is to prevent Obama from accomplishing anything. They corrupted the White House and the U.S., as well, for eight years, with wars on the national credit card, the Second Big Republican Deficit, privatizing public tasks to unaccountable corporations, et cetera.
Yet people love to blame unions, Democrats, and President Obama for practically everything that's happened for the last twenty years. Washington is a sick place, but it's because of Democrats and unions and not because of Barack Obama. If people could remember something of what's been happening for the last three decades, not just the last month of F**es News creative reporting, we'd have less B.S. to hear and read, and perhaps more effective politicians in Washington. Why is it more pleasing to Americans to have scapegoats than it is to have honest politicians who care about all American citizens? Is the need for scapegoats that much stronger?
According to Jim Hightower, labor unions contribut... (show quote)



Guess what? Those evil corporations gave more to democrat candidates and incumbents than they gave to Republicans ! No matter how you libbies denigrate Fox News, more people watch and listen to FOX than any other network or cable station

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Jun 1, 2014 18:19:49   #
watchout
 
P.S. Our education system is not abysmal. When you subtract the test scores of students in schools where twenty to twenty-five percent of the students are on free lunch, our test scores are quite comparable to the scores of students in other countries - even in the those countries where people and their children believe learning is an important task for the improvement of ones life. Learning begins at home and few students are "corrupted" in public schools because they have good family foundations.
Scapegoats again. Gotta have someone to blame. If you want to blame someone for our schools, blame the people who control them and reserve the right to "reform" them: school bureaucrats, education professors, and state representatives. Virtually school changes is designed to help these people preserve their authority over teachers and parents.

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Jun 1, 2014 18:22:19   #
moldyoldy
 
faithistheword wrote:
Guess what? Those evil corporations gave more to democrat candidates and incumbents than they gave to Republicans ! No matter how you libbies denigrate Fox News, more people watch and listen to FOX than any other network or cable station


Not even a teabagger could believe that, republicans are owned by corporations.

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Jun 1, 2014 18:38:02   #
joe1941
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Unions are fighting the republicans who support big business, in thier effort to destroy the middle class, keep wages low, and shop all over the world for the lowest labor costs.


If you believe that then you'll believe just about anything!

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Jun 1, 2014 18:40:33   #
joe1941
 
faithistheword wrote:
Guess what? Those evil corporations gave more to democrat candidates and incumbents than they gave to Republicans ! No matter how you libbies denigrate Fox News, more people watch and listen to FOX than any other network or cable station


I'm pretty sure that those LOW information v**ers won't believe that but you are correct! Look at the breaks that GE got from the dems.

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Jun 1, 2014 18:47:38   #
Kevyn
 
dennisimoto wrote:
Say, Joe. Is what you are smoking available to the general public? Unions are about more & more power and money for the Union Bosses. The members are just a means to an end. The poor boobs think their money is going to get themselves higher wages & more benefits but that is all window dressing. It's all about the Union Steward's next Caddie.


Actualy there is no such thing as a union boss union leaders are elected and the e******ns supervised by the NLRB. In every field unionized workers earn higher wages and benefits than similar non union shops. Dues money can not be used for campaign contributions the money used for campaign contributions comes from voluntary donations to registered PACS for exactly that purpose. And finally the reason union PACS spend more money endorsing democrat candidates over republicans is that most republicans work to enact legeslation to screw working family's while more democrats are interested in protecting working family's.

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Jun 1, 2014 18:51:29   #
Kevyn
 
archie bunker wrote:
On the flip side though: Non-union workers may face disciplinary action for not properly performing thier duties!! :shock: :shock:
How awful is that?


Or get canned when they get old or sick and can't work as fast as they used to, or when they blow the whistle on unsafe or illegal behavior by management.

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Jun 1, 2014 18:55:43   #
moldyoldy
 
joe1941 wrote:
I'm pretty sure that those LOW information v**ers won't believe that but you are correct! Look at the breaks that GE got from the dems.


The citizens united ruling by the supreme i***ts allows billionairs like the kochs to donate to pacs without using thier names, they give millions to republicans to fight unions, and anything else that is good for ordinary people.

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