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Apr 2, 2019 20:57:19   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
rumitoid wrote:
Always thought of ALS as the perfect argument for assisted suicide. Pure conscious torture and no possible chance for a cure. At least, thus far. It seems where is our compassion and decency, yes even respect for the sacredness of life, not to "rescue" them from such living hell.

This is a real scenario that happened maybe twenty years ago and ended up in court. A husband following his wife home from work in his car, saw a truck smash into her vehicle. His wife's vehicle immediately burst into flames. The heat was so intense no one could get near it to help. Yet it took everything from those there to keep her husband from trying. Everyone could just watch the horror unfold, seeing the wife writhing in the driver's window, apparently screaming, as the flames roasted her alive. The husband went to his truck, grabbed his hunting rifle from the rack, and took aim. It is said that the crowd was silent, many seeming to bow their heads and pray, while others softly nodded. He k**led her. Was that in any way wrong? Would any here do anything differently?
Always thought of ALS as the perfect argument for ... (show quote)


This example you offer of mercy k*****g is but one in 7 billion and nothing to the point. Why don't you support promoting a moral and financial PROFIT motive behind developing cures for human illnesses and easing pain instead of k*****g everyone that irks you?

Let me recommend to you Mrs. Claw Your Way to the Top, Hillary Rodham Clinton as the next Secretary of Health & Human Services so that the Clinton Crime Machine might add thousands more to their political hit-list!

Unfortunately, evil is inherent in mankind. Power corrupts and absolute power over who lives and who dies corrupts absolutely. You do NOT want the government choosing who lives and who dies; neither do you want your family, nor a Mafioso unionized medical workforce choosing who lives and who dies.

Here's a real N**I propaganda film justifying euthanasia collected by American psychiatrist Dr. Leo Alexander before the Nuremberg Medical Trials:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033750/
Ich Klage (I Accuse) 1941 N**I EUTHANASIA FILM
In this pro-euthanasia melodrama, a successful doctor is forced to make a heart wrenching decision after his beautiful young wife is diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
Director: Wolfgang Liebeneiner
Writers: Eberhard Frowein, Wolfgang Liebeneiner

Selling Murder: The Secret Propaganda Films of the Third Reich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2kV83nPWnM


Watch in fear, little dummkopf.

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Apr 2, 2019 21:02:04   #
debeda
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Yes, interesting information. Thanks for sharing. The free market is the solution to saving lives, not more government.


TRUE TRUE STORY CR!!!

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Apr 2, 2019 21:11:21   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
debeda wrote:
TRUE TRUE STORY CR!!!


Debeda, I am at my wits end on how to get through to these little dummkopfs championing murder.

These people pushing euthanasia, are not motivated out of love for thy neighbor, but hatred, and it is a thin veiled hatred. What is it going to take to expose these impostors? Liberals do not love everybody.

We need to yell the t***h from the mountain tops.

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Apr 2, 2019 21:25:28   #
debeda
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Debeda, I am at my wits end on how to get through to these little dummkopfs championing murder.

These people pushing euthanasia, are not motivated out of love for thy neighbor, but hatred, and it is a thin veiled hatred. What is it going to take to expose these impostors? Liberals do not love everybody.

We need to yell the t***h from the mountain tops.


Too true. However, suicide is a knotty issue. Particularly in a case like ALS, a vicious disease. The problem is, as with so much else, that people take things too far. It's one thing to say, for instance, that a person in agonizing pain with no chance for relief or recovery shouldn't be allowed to end their own life based on their beliefs and wishes. Unfortunately, things like this tend to "progress" over time into if a person is no longer useful it is acceptable to "put them to sleep" so to speak. I know I'm using an extreme that sounds ridiculous. But doctors murdering fully formed and living babies sounded ridiculous not so long ago. And it's happening. We either believe in the sanctity of life or we don't. Personally I'm a chicken and don't want to suffer or be helpless. But that is my personal choice when the time comes, if I am ever faced with that. I don't want my family to have to make that choice, nor do I want some nasty little bureaucrats deciding it for me.

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Apr 2, 2019 22:12:53   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
debeda wrote:
Too true. However, suicide is a knotty issue. Particularly in a case like ALS, a vicious disease. The problem is, as with so much else, that people take things too far. It's one thing to say, for instance, that a person in agonizing pain with no chance for relief or recovery shouldn't be allowed to end their own life based on their beliefs and wishes. Unfortunately, things like this tend to "progress" over time into if a person is no longer useful it is acceptable to "put them to sleep" so to speak. I know I'm using an extreme that sounds ridiculous. But doctors murdering fully formed and living babies sounded ridiculous not so long ago. And it's happening. We either believe in the sanctity of life or we don't. Personally I'm a chicken and don't want to suffer or be helpless. But that is my personal choice when the time comes, if I am ever faced with that. I don't want my family to have to make that choice, nor do I want some nasty little bureaucrats deciding it for me.
Too true. However, suicide is a knotty issue. Part... (show quote)


We all hope to pass away in our sleep, comfortably and peacefully, at peace with our Maker. You speak of ALS, and I strongly suspect the cause and cure is known, but the Medical Mafia promotes it as a mystery that it might feast off the medical gravy train while crippling non-compliant sportsmen who refuse to fix games. Just a premonition.

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Apr 2, 2019 22:39:07   #
debeda
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
We all hope to pass away in our sleep, comfortably and peacefully, at peace with our Maker. You speak of ALS, and I strongly suspect the cause and cure is known, but the Medical Mafia promotes it as a mystery that it might feast off the medical gravy train while crippling non-compliant sportsmen who refuse to fix games. Just a premonition.


I do believe there are a lot of cures out there that we don't know. I also believe there are a lot of causes out there we don't know. A small for instance is I've been telling people for 40 years that f**e sugar is poison. And just recently the medical community concurs. Ridiculous.

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Apr 2, 2019 23:42:43   #
Iliamna1
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
This example you offer of mercy k*****g is but one in 7 billion and nothing to the point. Why don't you support promoting a moral and financial PROFIT motive behind developing cures for human illnesses and easing pain instead of k*****g everyone that irks you?

Let me recommend to you Mrs. Claw Your Way to the Top, Hillary Rodham Clinton as the next Secretary of Health & Human Services so that the Clinton Crime Machine might add thousands more to their political hit-list!

Unfortunately, evil is inherent in mankind. Power corrupts and absolute power over who lives and who dies corrupts absolutely. You do NOT want the government choosing who lives and who dies; neither do you want your family, nor a Mafioso unionized medical workforce choosing who lives and who dies.

Here's a real N**I propaganda film justifying euthanasia collected by American psychiatrist Dr. Leo Alexander before the Nuremberg Medical Trials:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033750/
Ich Klage (I Accuse) 1941 N**I EUTHANASIA FILM
In this pro-euthanasia melodrama, a successful doctor is forced to make a heart wrenching decision after his beautiful young wife is diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
Director: Wolfgang Liebeneiner
Writers: Eberhard Frowein, Wolfgang Liebeneiner

Selling Murder: The Secret Propaganda Films of the Third Reich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2kV83nPWnM


Watch in fear, little dummkopf.
This example you offer of mercy k*****g is but one... (show quote)


On the 3rd page of this line I posted the same thing. Disrespect for human life IS a DANGEROUS SLIPPERY SLOPE. If you put a frog in a hot sk**let, it'll quickly jump out, but if you put the same frog in a cold sk**let and slowly turn the heat up, he'll stay there and die. Under Hitler, during the Weimar Republic prior to WW II, a******n became acceptable, even common. Then euthanasia of undesirables, then the full-scaled Holocaust. When Germany was over run by the Allied forces, it was discovered the Poles were to be exterminated next. They wanted their Leibenstraum!
And it all started with first accepting a******n and within 20 years . . . We all know what happened next.
Like you said "Watch in fear." I would add . . . and become wise.

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Apr 3, 2019 04:03:28   #
Texas Truth Loc: Behind Enemy Lines
 
debeda wrote:
Yes, God's grace absolutely!! That grace that turns fear and pain and rage into peace and love. Though some things are horrendously hard, when you experience that grace it's such a gift, because there's no more "believing", there's knowing without a doubt.


Very well spoken my friend. If I was ever in need of a social secretary you would be my first choice. No worries. You will also be my first choice of head of Human Services to stand in defense of the private sector. I would sleep well at night and I'm sure a lot of other people would as well. I look forward to seeing you on the other side. God be thanked and Christ be praised! Hang in there kid!

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Apr 3, 2019 08:54:58   #
debeda
 
Texas T***h wrote:
Very well spoken my friend. If I was ever in need of a social secretary you would be my first choice. No worries. You will also be my first choice of head of Human Services to stand in defense of the private sector. I would sleep well at night and I'm sure a lot of other people would as well. I look forward to seeing you on the other side. God be thanked and Christ be praised! Hang in there kid!


thank you

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Apr 3, 2019 14:09:01   #
Iliamna1
 
A number of you have brought up ALS as a justification for assisted suicide. I have a video of a gentleman, Bruce Baker, who has ALS. He's in a wheelchair speaking at the Chafer Theological Seminary conference last year. Most of you wonk't want to hear the entirety of the lecture as it has to do with Greek grammar and how certain words are interpreted (I get off on this kind of teaching) BUT at the end, he gives his testimony. It will give you hope. Here are the instructions to get to that 5 minutes of video:
Google 'Chafer Theologiocal Seminary Bible Conference 2018
Next, scroll way down to where it says '04 The Knowledge of God' and wait for the tool bar to appear. Push the time tool bar ahead to 1 hr, 12 minutes and shortly after one of the attendees asks Mr. Baker about his health.
PS: I was at that conference, so that's how I knew how to find it. I'm even in the video facing forward in the audience in some of the shots.
Also, all those lectures are free of charge to anyone who desires to listen to them. Enjoy. Ili

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Apr 3, 2019 14:14:01   #
debeda
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
A number of you have brought up ALS as a justification for assisted suicide. I have a video of a gentleman, Bruce Baker, who has ALS. He's in a wheelchair speaking at the Chafer Theological Seminary conference last year. Most of you wonk't want to hear the entirety of the lecture as it has to do with Greek grammar and how certain words are interpreted (I get off on this kind of teaching) BUT at the end, he gives his testimony. It will give you hope. Here are the instructions to get to that 5 minutes of video:
Google 'Chafer Theologiocal Seminary Bible Conference 2018
Next, scroll way down to where it says '04 The Knowledge of God' and wait for the tool bar to appear. Push the time tool bar ahead to 1 hr, 12 minutes and shortly after one of the attendees asks Mr. Baker about his health.
PS: I was at that conference, so that's how I knew how to find it. I'm even in the video facing forward in the audience in some of the shots.
Also, all those lectures are free of charge to anyone who desires to listen to them. Enjoy. Ili
A number of you have brought up ALS as a justifica... (show quote)


I believe that steven hawking who just passed also lived for many years with ALS. It, like all things, is individual to the person. I have also seen people, tho, who are not so lucky. It truly is a vicious disease.

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Apr 3, 2019 14:49:18   #
Iliamna1
 
debeda wrote:
I believe that steven hawking who just passed also lived for many years with ALS. It, like all things, is individual to the person. I have also seen people, tho, who are not so lucky. It truly is a vicious disease.


Just watch the whole one hr video. It deals with Romans 1:18-20 and how God builds every man with an internal knowledge of Himself. It's a lengthy exigesis of those 3 verses, but well worth listening to.
I was at that conference, which is how I know about the content.
Actually, anyone can go online and watch all of the conference lectures at their leisure. they're great and the teaching is free.l

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Apr 3, 2019 14:52:02   #
debeda
 
Iliamna1 wrote:
Just watch the whole one hr video. It deals with Romans 1:18-20 and how God builds every man with an internal knowledge of Himself. It's a lengthy exigesis of those 3 verses, but well worth listening to.
I was at that conference, which is how I know about the content.
Actually, anyone can go online and watch all of the conference lectures at their leisure. they're great and the teaching is free.l


Ok great, I'll try to watch tonight after work, thanks!!

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Apr 3, 2019 16:01:50   #
rumitoid
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
This example you offer of mercy k*****g is but one in 7 billion and nothing to the point. Why don't you support promoting a moral and financial PROFIT motive behind developing cures for human illnesses and easing pain instead of k*****g everyone that irks you?

Let me recommend to you Mrs. Claw Your Way to the Top, Hillary Rodham Clinton as the next Secretary of Health & Human Services so that the Clinton Crime Machine might add thousands more to their political hit-list!

Unfortunately, evil is inherent in mankind. Power corrupts and absolute power over who lives and who dies corrupts absolutely. You do NOT want the government choosing who lives and who dies; neither do you want your family, nor a Mafioso unionized medical workforce choosing who lives and who dies.

Here's a real N**I propaganda film justifying euthanasia collected by American psychiatrist Dr. Leo Alexander before the Nuremberg Medical Trials:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033750/
Ich Klage (I Accuse) 1941 N**I EUTHANASIA FILM
In this pro-euthanasia melodrama, a successful doctor is forced to make a heart wrenching decision after his beautiful young wife is diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.
Director: Wolfgang Liebeneiner
Writers: Eberhard Frowein, Wolfgang Liebeneiner

Selling Murder: The Secret Propaganda Films of the Third Reich
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2kV83nPWnM


Watch in fear, little dummkopf.
This example you offer of mercy k*****g is but one... (show quote)


You are the only one in this very decent, civil, and honest thread that has insulted a person. So, the people who don't agree with you are stupid? Interesting....

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Apr 3, 2019 16:08:18   #
rumitoid
 
debeda wrote:
Too true. However, suicide is a knotty issue. Particularly in a case like ALS, a vicious disease. The problem is, as with so much else, that people take things too far. It's one thing to say, for instance, that a person in agonizing pain with no chance for relief or recovery shouldn't be allowed to end their own life based on their beliefs and wishes. Unfortunately, things like this tend to "progress" over time into if a person is no longer useful it is acceptable to "put them to sleep" so to speak. I know I'm using an extreme that sounds ridiculous. But doctors murdering fully formed and living babies sounded ridiculous not so long ago. And it's happening. We either believe in the sanctity of life or we don't. Personally I'm a chicken and don't want to suffer or be helpless. But that is my personal choice when the time comes, if I am ever faced with that. I don't want my family to have to make that choice, nor do I want some nasty little bureaucrats deciding it for me.
Too true. However, suicide is a knotty issue. Part... (show quote)


We had a good thread. Each person respected another's view while giving their own in reply. It was very spirited, moving, and civil. It offered a great deal for all to examine and think about. A healthy debate. Then we have one, there is always one, that has to insult people and make it all about politics. I am disappointed you chose not to to tell counter revolutionary that his bad-mouthing others was uncalled for. Members have been able to share their deepest passions, faith and feelings, be totally honest about their lives thanks to the grace and tolerance of all responding, but when the insults start, that freedom slowly dies.

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