CounterRevolutionary

Oh, this "Medicare for All" gang scares me to death. Have we learned nothing from history? Those films of N**i Germany were about how the socialist doctors treated their own citizens!!!

Might I direct these little dummkopfs to the National Archives' files on Operation Paperclip to note the thousands of N**i doctors and technicians we imported after WWII, scrubbed their dossiers, and employed them in the Health Department, Department of Agriculture, chemical industry and Defense Department? Have any of these socialist OPP posters ever gone to a public library or archive to read the books and declassified documents on public record?

Oh, I am persecuting them for their apathy and willful ignorance? Gimme a break!

Now these Liberals are trying to lower the v****g age to 16 years, wet behind the ears, never having worked a day in their lives, and abolish the Constitutional E*******l College to destroy minority rights, instituting the tyranny of the mob that brought us s***ery. Simply stupendous.

Augggghhhhh!

debeda

As far as being married to a good cook? Nope. But I'm a good and healthy cook having been raised a good portion of my childhood by my grandma, who cooked and also canned her own home grown fruits and veggies. Also, being a german, a lot of things called for vinegar which is good for us. I believe a lot of things are caused by the chemicals we ingest both in foods and medicines. Our body isnt made to digest chemicals so they find a home. Cabbage family is very good for us and good antioxidants. Tobacco falls in the realm of not so good. I used it for 50 years and it was not my friend. Tho the additives put in cigarettes was a huge portion of that. Our bodies AND brains need fats. I believe the epidemic of Alzheimer's is in large part caused by "cholesterol reducing" medications. Oh well. Maybe in another 40 years science will figure that out.

rumitoid

He is not chagrined at all and has repeated his ugliness in a recent thread. Just FYI.

rumitoid

Germany then did not have socialist doctors. The N**is persecuted the socialists. Get your facts straight and skip the propaganda.


First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

rumitoid

Under Hitler, the party looked squarely to the middle classes and farmers rather than the working class for a political base. Hitler realigned it to ensure that it was an anti-socialist, anti-liberal, authoritarian, pro-business party - particularly after the failed Beerhall Putsch of 1923. The "socialism" in the name National Socialism was a strategically chosen misnomer designed to attract working class v**es where possible, but they refused to take the bait. The vast majority v**ed for the C*******t or Social Democratic parties.

CounterRevolutionary

Rumitoid, my facts are right on. Please read William Shirer's old standard history of WWII: The Rise and Fall of the third Reich for a history of socialism taking root in Germany.

https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Third-Reich-History/dp/B01LP1R0EG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=377KTV0LJH9JY&keywords=the+rise+and+fall+of+the+third+reich+by+william+l.+shirer&qid=1554931842&s=books&sprefix=%22The+Rise+and+Fall+of%2Cstripbooks%2C712&sr=1-2

Go to Part Two: "Triumph and Consolidation"
5. The Road to Power 1925-31 page 117
6. The last Days of the Republic: 1931-33 page 150
7. The N**ification of Germany: 1933-34 page 188
8. Life in the Third Rreich: 1933-37 page 231

This hard cover edition, Simon and Schuster 1960, includes 1246 pages of texts, bibliography, footnotes and index, in great documented detail explains Hitler's takeover and destruction of all small businesses, the mergers and acquisitions of medium sized businesses with German combines and banking, stock market and patents,;replacing CEOs with N**i board members to manufacture for the 3rd Reich. The German economy was nationalized through the mergers of big business and big government, just as the Democrats plot for their NWO, just as China is renationalizing its c*******t economy right now. Take a look at their medicine!

Every US state has at lease one government depository in a public library with copies of the entire Nuremberg Trials, including US vs. Karl Brandt (the Medical trials of the German doctors). And yes, it was socialized medicine and the sparrows were whistling from the roof tops. I spent hours in the Hoover Institute Library tower with Dr. Christopher Pross, a German torture trauma psychiatrist researching records on Dr. Leo Alexander's Combined Intelligence Objective Subcommittee (CIOS) reports on German doctors.

Dr. Leo Alexander, a Jewish psychiatrist, served as our US representative to the Medical Trials and is known for writing the Nuremberg Code for international law on treatment of POWs. He treated the survivors of Josef Mengele's experimentation who had emigrated to the United States after the Holocaust. He exposed in his numerous CIOS reports how the N**i doctors from the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute beat it back to Moscow to their original jobs with the KWI Moscow branch, Suchomi, and Beketovka MS research centers using "apes" for experimentation after the war prior these N**is being ratlined back out to the West.

It is hard to stomach your naivety of German socialist medicine under the 3rd Reich reciting such c*******t propaganda drivel. It makes my blood boil. The public is clueless on how many of these heartless monsters came to the United States and went to work for the US Health Department under Surgeon General Dr. Thomas Parran under the American-Soviet Medical Exchange; Parran being responsible for initiating the 1935 Tuskegee syphilis experiments on unwitting B****s in Alabama which continued well into the 1970s.

My physician was one of those docs to the Tuskegee Red Tails after my taste of HHS Medicine under the 4th Reich. Thank God for my guardian angels up at the Lake. There are plenty of Black conservative patriots who have served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam who would shoot down the Democrat's stupid quest for socialized medicine.

CounterRevolutionary

Kudos to your Grandmother! You are so right about the toxic chemicals in our food supply today. This Biphenyl-6 (a synthetic estrogen female hormone) is used as a herbicide and solvent to plastics in the canning industry, probably responsible for neutering the nation! What I would give to have a garden in my back yard.

rumitoid

All you are giving as "socialized medicine" is state run experimentation and extermination of "inferior groups" and enemies of the state. The purpose was not medicine. There was no slippery slope of socialized medicine falling down to euthanizing the mentally ill or physically defective: those were directives from the N**i regime. It was based on Aryan supremacy.

Mentioning that those "monsters" slipped off to various countries and continued to practice is just an egregious injustice and says nothing about socialized medicine. We also had "monsters" for our space program and other technical industries. But what I would like you to make more plain are these two sentence: "My physician was one of those docs to the Tuskegee Red Tails after my taste of HHS Medicine under the 4th Reich. Thank God for my guardian angels up at the Lake." I think they tell the real story about the animosity of your responses.

(I read The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich decades ago but have little memory of it except the exorbitant data.)

People who are ignorant of certain facts are not dummkopfs. I am sure there may be something that you are ignorant of; that does not make you stupid.

CounterRevolutionary

Rumatoid, you write: "All you are giving as "socialized medicine" is state run experimentation and extermination of "inferior groups" and enemies of the state. The purpose was not medicine."

Man, you got that right! That's my whole point! Be careful what you wish for!
Lab-rat, lab-rat, lab-rat.
What's that, what's that, what's that?

Rumatoid, there must be a problem of comprehension and retention when it comes to your reading history, even though it be a long time ago. This is troubling. Might you review Shirer's book again, "Part Two" for better comprehension of how the German economy was nationalized, including the medical and pharmaceutical industry. Visit the National Archives and National Library of Medicine for reports on IG Farben's pharmaceutical branch. Or try to get a photo copy of Leo Alexander's report:
Neuropathology & Neurophysiology Including Electro-encephalography in Wartime Germany" by Dr. Leo Alexander. That alone will scare the sh*++ out of anyone.
90% of these doctors went scott free at the Nuremberg Medical Trials.

Rumatoid, Perhaps I do not understand your background. Mine is sculpture, thinking in terms of armatures for support and structure. By the way, this is no way to make a living, just an expensive hobby.

I cannot go into my history of health in detail, but after running the family physicians' names through the DCII index at the US Army intelligence & Security Command (CIC), I fully understood the demise of my health being in the wrong hands.

If you take the time to research the old periodicals of medical journals in any university medical teaching library that go back to the 1800s, you will note the efforts of eugenicists in the field of medicine and psychiatry between Russia, Germany and the United States to push for socialized medicine for the sole purpose of race purification, the elimination of peoples with "weak human constitutions." Curing disease was not their mission.

It is not a sin to profit from curing anybody, but honorable.

Socialized medicine, the progressive income tax, and government central banking were the three ploys Karl Marx advocated for a socialist takeover of capitalist nations. Be careful what you wish for, Rumatoid, the government does not love us. The price for socialized medicine is your life.

CounterRevolutionary

Rumatoid, here is an excellent post regarding the moral and financial collapse of real government healthcare:

Medicare For All? No, only for the poor. The rich in emmediat need, flee to foreign countries.

This is a very lengthy article, so we might only copy a few excerpts to get the gist:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/10/universal-health-system-in-britain-collapsing-a-ha/
The fraying edges of universal health care
Britain's version of 'Medicare for All,' delivers rationing and even blindness
By Tammy Bruce - - Wednesday, April 10, 2019

"If you’re wondering what Democrats have in mind when they tout ‘Medicare For All,’ look no further than England. There are more reports of the U.K.’s National Health System’s collapse, this time featuring horror stories of rationing care for the elderly. Doctors are now sounding alarms bells that seniors with cataracts are going blind as they wait for surgical approval...

"The Guardian reported, 'Patients who are losing their sight are being forced to wait for months before having eye cataracts removed because of NHS cost-cutting. … The NHS has imposed restrictions on patients’ access to cataract surgery in more than half of England. … The Royal National Institute of Blind People (RNIB) condemned the rationing as shocking. It warned that not treating people with cloudy vision risks them falling and breaking bones, thus costing the NHS more.'

"Last year, The New York Times reported some people in England were waiting for 12 hours to be seen in emergency rooms.

“ 'Some doctors took to Twitter to vent their frustrations publicly. One complained of having to practice ‘battlefield medicine,’ while another apologized for the ‘3rd world conditions’ caused by overcrowding,' the newspaper reported.

"This is what happens when 'the government' is paying for health care — people become the budget. Inevitably, the individual becomes nothing more than a budget item to be deemed worthy … or not..."

"In England, rationing is established by NHS clinical commissioning groups (CCGs), which de-termine which procedures have “value.” As an example, “Of the 195 NHS clinical commissioning groups (CCGs) in England, 104 now include cataract removal on their list of ‘procedures of limited clinical value,’ according to research by the Medical Technology Group.”

"Many CCGs have determined hernia repair is no longer something patients can automatically have, while dozens have declared knee and hip replacements as also not necessarily possible, the Guardian said.

"Why does a civilized Western country deliberately allow thousands of its citizens to go blind? Julie Wood, chief executive for NHS clinical commissioners, explained to the Times of London: 'The NHS does not have unlimited resources. Ensuring patients get the best possible care against a backdrop of spiraling demands, competing priorities and increasing financial pressures is one of the biggest issues clinical commissioners face.'

"For Democrats to continue to promote something we know will destroy lives is unconscionable. We have watched the disaster of nationalized health care in England unfold. But liberals can’t help themselves, and know the only way to guarantee massive government and control over our lives is to control our access to health care.

"Health insurance, especially when completely controlled by the government, isn’t about who gets health care, it’s about who doesn’t. It is the ultimate in population control....

"It [Obamacare] is broken, thanks to the very same people now insisting they’ll fix it. Democrats insisting that nationalized health care is the answer to their Obamacare debacle is the equivalent of sending the Hindenburg to rescue the passengers of the Titanic. But what else would we expect from the “You can keep your doctor and policy” crowd as they lied to you about your premiums going down?

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice ….."

Please feel free to continue reading on about the Democrats $32 Trillion proposed Medicare For All fiasco. It is a very lengthy, but telling report.

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