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Mar 22, 2019 19:13:53   #
rumitoid
 
debeda wrote:
Yes. Or when Maxine waters incites people, or the new congresswoman calls our President an M-effer, or when an entire side of the aisle viciously attacked a supreme court candidate. Gotta say, there are few in Congress that are for their own constituents. I would say 2 are joe Manchin and jim Jordan.


debeda, when you said you were appalled by the vitriol of some elected officials I thought that you meant all such "elected officials" and was glad, by not specifying the Left, for the seeming unbiased condemnation of such partisan tactics in general. It seems I was wrong. That hurt.

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Mar 22, 2019 19:18:42   #
rumitoid
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Wow, do you actually believe a word of what you say? Thick skin? He perceives EVERYTHING as a personal attack on him and goes on the defensive and attacks everyone that doesn't agree with his every word. please, define to me what your definition of "thick skin" is, it obviously doesn't jive with my definition.

As for your assertion that those not on the Trump ass kissing tour don't consider America as exceptional, do you even know what Trump's slogan "MAGA" stands for? Make America Great Again. Doesn't that imply that America wasn't great but that Trump will MAKE it great again? Obama's campaign Slogan was "Yes we CAN!". Trump makes derogatory statements about America and you cheer him, Obama makes a non-derogatory inspirational statement and you boo him. I don't follow your "logic" and refuse to get a lobotomy to make it make any sense.
Wow, do you actually believe a word of what you sa... (show quote)


Very well put, brilliant!

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Mar 22, 2019 19:27:13   #
rumitoid
 
Seth wrote:
I get it, like the way every Democrat in America had something disapproving to say to William Jefferson Clinton about the Monica Lewinsky debacle.

Reminds me of the time I was headed to the store and I ran into this thing called a whatchamacallit, a "double standard..."


Most Democrats had something disapproving to say about Clinton and Lewinsky and...? How on earth do you somehow logically conclude that to report some falsehood by Trump, one must include all lies by Democrats or else it is somehow hypocritical? The whole premise is extremely absurd. A grand misdirection and deflection to cover Trump's many mistakes and lies. Childish.

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Mar 22, 2019 19:32:31   #
Seth
 
rumitoid wrote:
Most Democrats had something disapproving to say about Clinton and Lewinsky and...? How on earth do you somehow logically conclude that to report some falsehood by Trump, one must include all lies by Democrats or else it is somehow hypocritical? The whole premise is extremely absurd. A grand misdirection and deflection to cover Trump's many mistakes and lies. Childish.


That's what they all say, but the song remains the same.

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Mar 22, 2019 19:35:19   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
emarine wrote:
Unfortunately Rose buddy I agree... in 2016 I thought Trump would be more of a statesman uniting us... seems all he does is incite the divide... I don't think Trumps even a real Republican... just an opportunist cashing in on a publicity stunt...


Do you honestly believe Trump could have done anything to soothe the Hillary loss? You can't even acquiesce that he might actually love America but rather he wanted to "cash" in (make more money) as a publicity stunt. If you can't control your own behavior and feelings why do you believe you can tell the President how he should act? If it's fair to allow you to be you (and it is) then allow Trump to be Trump.

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Mar 22, 2019 19:39:54   #
rumitoid
 
Seth wrote:
That's what they all say, but the song remains the same.


What song? Please tell me.

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Mar 22, 2019 19:47:54   #
okie don
 
Well, 🐈 out of the bag.
No collusion with Russia.
DemoRats have egg all over their faces.
Now let's go get Hell ary, Clinton pay to.play fund and Uranium one

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Mar 22, 2019 19:49:13   #
Seth
 
rumitoid wrote:
What song? Please tell me.


The song: There always seems to be a "we criticize out own when they do wrong, just like we criticize the Republicans" disclaimer, but it doesn't really happen.

Conservative media, or at least that which I visit, tends to criticize the right as well when it is warranted, whether it's Republicans in Congress or President Trump.

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Mar 22, 2019 19:50:38   #
rumitoid
 
padremike wrote:
Do you honestly believe Trump could have done anything to soothe the Hillary loss? You can't even acquiesce that he might actually love America but rather he wanted to "cash" in (make more money) as a publicity stunt. If you can't control your own behavior and feelings why do you believe you can tell the President how he should act? If it's fair to allow you to be you (and it is) then allow Trump to be Trump.


Any unbiased, sane, decent and observant eye would find Trump to be, on the kind side, of considerable low character. Plenty of videos and tweets to peruse in order to see for yourself. But you won't, and therein is the rub! Then there are his actions, some recorded on video and others in four decades' reams of court documents, like his deferment for "bone spurs" or his many suits and bankruptcies. Will you look at those? No, you will not even peek. Searching for the actual t***h? No way! You are blindly loyal and that is a national crisis for this country.

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Mar 22, 2019 19:59:59   #
Seth
 
rumitoid wrote:
Any unbiased, sane, decent and observant eye would find Trump to be, on the kind side, of considerable low character. Plenty of videos and tweets to peruse in order to see for yourself. But you won't, and therein is the rub! Then there are his actions, some recorded on video and others in four decades' reams of court documents, like his deferment for "bone spurs" or his many suits and bankruptcies. Will you look at those? No, you will not even peek. Searching for the actual t***h? No way! You are blindly loyal and that is a national crisis for this country.
Any unbiased, sane, decent and observant eye would... (show quote)


It's easy to feel loyalty for a president who is doing great things for ones country, and even easier to defend him against so-called Americans, including many serving in our own government, who are obstructing him and fighting him with more tenacity than any enemy this country has ever had.

While the Democrats accuse him of undermining our country on the world stage, it is THEY who are undermining America by not showing any kind of unity in our government.

The Democratic Party has fast become America's worst enemy, but that's okay, because in 2020 it will all come out, as they say, in the wash.

Stay tuned...

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Mar 22, 2019 20:12:50   #
rumitoid
 
Seth wrote:
It's easy to feel loyalty for a president who is doing great things for ones country, and even easier to defend him against so-called Americans, including many serving in our own government, who are obstructing him and fighting him with more tenacity than any enemy this country has ever had.

While the Democrats accuse him of undermining our country on the world stage, it is THEY who are undermining America by not showing any kind of unity in our government.

The Democratic Party has fast become America's worst enemy, but that's okay, because in 2020 it will all come out, as they say, in the wash.

Stay tuned...
It's easy to feel loyalty for a president who is d... (show quote)


Forgive me. No more attempts to dissuade you on your views of Trump. That was wrong, in a way. We differ on this point and that is the American way: to not only respect but defend another's opposing stance. May God bless and keep you.

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Mar 22, 2019 20:34:51   #
tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
No matter what the report contains Trump will remain under suspicion. What a dirty shame when we have a decent, patriotic American rescuing us from the damage done to us by Barack Obama and Co.


You are of course correct in the first sentence( every one is waiting patiently on the report: could be interesting,could be nothing,can't see how.) he's not as we see or think should be( suspect or suspected could define history) and is a stamp for life, why? because he wanted to but did not plan on it.Nobody did!
I just held my breath,it was strange I cared but I didn't. tried to prepare for what the day brought.
I'm still ever so glad k**lery didn't get it. if it had most would still have issues and problems,just different kinds. think obummer 2.0 but worse in theory,practicality,list is endless.no conspiracies need apply.
I'm not a politician nor into politics as much as should be, I just listen,nobody knows if what's going on is going to end in tiny bubbles or a burst that is really a shame,all the forthcoming being commanded yet denied we the people voices when they're needed.
hopefully checks and balances have kept + are keeping us afloat,while said damage was done. aside from working tail off,FICA has to help.
it probably was laws,policies already in progress that have not been discovered or discouraged that aided and still are Healing and helping us undo what's been done.credit is being given where it shouldn't be honestly. especially the patriotic part. and most importantly and especially decent is at best morally and civilly beyond the scope of a reality that is.
YES he's American but WHO has he really been but for himself ( especially) and family, oh Corp and friends, Yes,We are on the list,just not the Short list like it should be.Law however is or is it?
what's going or gone on in congress and behind the scenes that Are somewhat trying and getting some things done. 😊 . yeah a funny, if we can't laugh the alternative is lousy.
more and more it's seeming current events going on that shouldn't be and things are just floating or in free fall I can't tell which, being busy doesn't help.
I wish what IS going on ,Well, just wasn't.
BUT
Here we are 😱
Stuck in the middle lol
Of Guess What- go ahead guess, I no longer can.
the h**e shown instead of making progress in all steam ahead sanity on anything we can do
is like the song said dust in the wind.

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Mar 22, 2019 20:45:28   #
rumitoid
 
tactful wrote:
You are of course correct in the first sentence( every one is waiting patiently on the report: could be interesting,could be nothing,can't see how.) he's not as we see or think should be( suspect or suspected could define history) and is a stamp for life, why? because he wanted to but did not plan on it.Nobody did!
I just held my breath,it was strange I cared but I didn't. tried to prepare for what the day brought.
I'm still ever so glad k**lery didn't get it. if it had most would still have issues and problems,just different kinds. think obummer 2.0 but worse in theory,practicality,list is endless.no conspiracies need apply.
I'm not a politician nor into politics as much as should be, I just listen,nobody knows if what's going on is going to end in tiny bubbles or a burst that is really a shame,all the forthcoming being commanded yet denied we the people voices when they're needed.
hopefully checks and balances have kept + are keeping us afloat,while said damage was done. aside from working tail off,FICA has to help.
it probably was laws,policies already in progress that have not been discovered or discouraged that aided and still are Healing and helping us undo what's been done.credit is being given where it shouldn't be honestly. especially the patriotic part. and most importantly and especially decent is at best morally and civilly beyond the scope of a reality that is.
YES he's American but WHO has he really been but for himself ( especially) and family, oh Corp and friends, Yes,We are on the list,just not the Short list like it should be.Law however is or is it?
what's going or gone on in congress and behind the scenes that Are somewhat trying and getting some things done. 😊 . yeah a funny, if we can't laugh the alternative is lousy.
more and more it's seeming current events going on that shouldn't be and things are just floating or in free fall I can't tell which, being busy doesn't help.
I wish what IS going on ,Well, just wasn't.
BUT
Here we are 😱
Stuck in the middle lol
Of Guess What- go ahead guess, I no longer can.
the h**e shown instead of making progress in all steam ahead sanity on anything we can do
is like the song said dust in the wind.
You are of course correct in the first sentence( e... (show quote)


Interesting Ballad.

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Mar 22, 2019 20:50:58   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
rumitoid wrote:
Any unbiased, sane, decent and observant eye would find Trump to be, on the kind side, of considerable low character. Plenty of videos and tweets to peruse in order to see for yourself. But you won't, and therein is the rub! Then there are his actions, some recorded on video and others in four decades' reams of court documents, like his deferment for "bone spurs" or his many suits and bankruptcies. Will you look at those? No, you will not even peek. Searching for the actual t***h? No way! You are blindly loyal and that is a national crisis for this country.
Any unbiased, sane, decent and observant eye would... (show quote)


I'm not "blindly" loyal, I am loyal to a man I believe sincerely wants to help America and, in spite of intense opposition, is succeeding. I do not personally know of his untoward behavior as you evidently do, but even if I did I believe in redemption which evidently you do not except for Bill Clinton. I applaud and approve how he attacks what I also believe is f**e news; they are destructive to our Republic and nothing less than the Progressive propaganda agencies. I approve of Trump fighting back verbally and his tweets because it drives progressives and RINO's right up the wall. Welcome to the information age. By the way, I don't tweet and the only Trump tweets I ever see are on TV. Trump is no retorician but by the reaction of the crowds he is well understood. As an American I'm also for the underdog and Progressives have been unmerciful in their attacks. But you haven't touched him yet because he's stronger than you are. As he increases you will decrease. Got to admire his stamina and determination.

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Mar 22, 2019 21:15:38   #
debeda
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight with the press", I remember well how the press hammered on and on over every little controversial thing just as hard as they hammer Trump, often times each incident h*****g in the news LONGER than it does for Trump. They would come on day after day giving us the same facts we already knew and occasionally, something new would come out regarding the story and we would hear something ever so slightly different. The press just seems fascinated with anything they can run on presidents.

I think the reason it just seems more noticeable with Trump in office, he gives them so many things to hammer him on, he is always doing, tweeting or saying something stupid and the press just pounces, much like they did whenever Obama had anything news worthy. Say what you like about the "liberal" media bias, they didn't act so "liberal" when Obama was in office. I don't think the MSM so much has any real "liberal" bias, more that they are just being accused of it because of Trump's buffoonery, though perhaps they relish the chance to strike back at Trump due to his constant attacks on them.

As for "Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs" While I do see SOME on the left calling Trump and some of Trump's closest cronies "anti-American" and/or "t*****r(s)" and many other things that some may consider "unkind", I rarely see anyone from the left (if ever) calling ALL from the "right" those things. I have however seen quite a few from the "right" saying those things and more about those on the "left". I have even had to wipe "h**e spittle" that flew straight up off my computer screen while reading a post from a "righty" crying about how h**eful the "left" was, off of my face, I nearly drowned in that "h**e spittle" I got drenched with. Several from the "right" go off into right tidy tirades of h**e towards the "lefties" and sometimes it is just to be hating on the "lefties", sometimes it is over the perceived hatred of the "left" supposedly against the "right" and the supposed hatred of the "lefties" against all of America. Many on the "right" claim that the "left" is more h**eful, I just can't see that as true, as for frequency, focus and intensity, it does appear, at least to me, as if the most hatred comes from the "right".

I have seen some h**e from both sides, from the "left" and from those from the "center" NOT enamored with Trump, myself included, it is USUALLY directed at certain parties (Trump being the most frequent target), both politicians and posters here on OPP, but for the most part, it is fairly tame, except perhaps that which is aim at Trump. From the "right", I have seen some that is fairly tame but all too often, I have to wipe the "h**e spittle" off my face.

I think we are less prone to actually see it or see the true severity of it if it is from those we agree with perhaps, though I am usually fairly in-tuned and would like to think that I can fairly judge the frequency, target and severity of the h**e that I see. Many just tune it out if they even remotely agree with it I think.

Trump isn't helping things any with his constant attacks on the press and anyone that doesn't agree with every little thing he says or does though, of ALL the president we have seen go through the oval office, he does seem to be inciting the most division with his own actions, words and tweets. I think I would place Obama in second place but he did it just with his mere presence in the oval office, it would seem that we weren't quite ready for Obama, there is just way too much animosity toward minorities still to this day. In third, I would say Richard Nixon, but again, he called it upon himself with his attempts to sweep "Watergate" under the rug.

It would be nice if we could put partisan politics to the back burner and focus on policies instead. Of course I find it hard to focus as much on the policies when we have someone in the oval office that I think is giving us a black eye, not with his politics, but with what I consider his unsuitability to hold office. as much as Trump supporters deny it, they world leaders HAVE been laughing at us and I DO mean quite literally, one example was 2018 UN general assembly they admitted it, they were laughing AT him, not WITH him all because he thought his speech at that assembly would be the perfect time for him to brag about himself and his "accomplishments". Another notable example, was earlier this year, Trump had Chinese trade leaders in the oval office and he threw a tantrum over semantics because he prefers contracts to MOUs (standard trade "contract" between nations) and wouldn't let it go, even though it was explained to him in the simplest of terms, until he was coddled and pacified by our trade representative telling Trump we will no longer call them MOUs but rather contracts, they will still BE MOUs but we will now call them a contract, "simply to pacify the 3 year old in the room" (my words, the trade negotiator didn't say them).

I don't care that he is Republican, I have v**ed for Republicans and have considered v****g for others, him included before I figured out his antics weren't an act to draw attention to his campaign but rather character flaws. His policies... Let's just say that many are due to his own hatreds and bigotries and a foolish hope that trickle down economics can work. Yes, he cut taxes for ALL, some lasting longer than others, but he 86'ed many deductions that many working class people counted on to lower their tax obligations so some, got a break, some broke even, didn't pay more, didn't pay less to any real extent, some actually DID pay more overall AFTER the "tax break" due to not being able to claim many of the deductions they counted on. To me, it seems that the ones that actually got the tax relief are the ones that needed it least, a disguised trickle down economics attempt.
Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight w... (show quote)


My perception of Obama and the press is that they rhapsodized over his every word and gesture.....

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