Is h**e necessary to disaprove of a person's words, actions, and character? (Page 3): A h**er talking about stopping h**e ha ha ha ha ha too funny ha ha ha ha !!!!!! :sm12: :sm12:...

TrueAmerican

rumitoid wrote:

I have a daughter and most of us have children. If... (show quote)

A h**er talking about stopping h**e ha ha ha ha ha too funny ha ha ha ha !!!!!!

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

TrueAmerican wrote:

A h**er talking about stopping h**e ha ha ha ha ha... (show quote)

It's the Right who he seeks to attack.

The left, is more pure than the driven snow.

tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO

Rose42 wrote:

Some of them do yes. At the same time democrats have given a pass to some of the things Obama has done - like his fight with the press.

This divide is a two way street. What is the solution? Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs. Many get caught up in that madness. Our elected officials know whats going on and do nothing but contribute to that mentality. No one is stepping up from the democrats or republicans. I don’t see any signs that this will change.

Sadly Rose,you are correct.
Change is definitely absent by All concerned. Since when do the citizens of the United states need to coddle a "leader " of the free world? How is it there is a fight to obtain documents needed to get to t***h?
Might said documents shed light in an otherwise dark gray area? Is something being hidden?
Division and rifts while indeed are two way,both sides are guilty bigley on too much to list.

How is it executive privilege outweighs national security?
If there is nothing to learn from or know about, what is the big deal? Both accountability and t***sparency left the building and the country long ago.
It makes one wonder why any one or party needs to get or issue subpoenas to get said information, something never needed before, heck even k**lerys B******i transcripts were made public along with others, yet getting to the bottom of anything seems more akin to pulling teeth, all this should f**g or get everyone's attention.
But. No instead everyone plays the blame game and/ or finger points instead of addressing or wanting answers to all issues.
Good and bad.
And no I'm not affiliated with left or right. At the mo things are stinking to high heaven so to speak. Most i know want everything over and known as so as possible.
Is this too much to ask?
Imho obummer is persona non grata, not to say BO's among others issues should not be addressed, they should.
Meantime all the garbage on the table needs to be cleaned up and cleared to everyone's satisfaction.
In this United states sad affairs.
H**e needs to get ousted everywhere. Another issue absent from the country an seemingly the world at large.
Good process thinking your post is,well done.

IrreverentOne75 Loc: Minnesota

steve66613 wrote:

Thank you for saving a half hour, or so, for me to explain how BHO lied....when and how often. Geez! How many times does this cliche have to be re-hashed?

Unfortunately the Progs and the Anti-Trumpers, as well as some ill advised Rhinos, will continue this bombardment of ill conceived and totally false statements about the President. It is well that he has a thick skin . Our job as true Conservatives is to push our agenda to the front and let the Progs and support groups like A****a, La Rasa? , B*M and CAIR continue to reject the idea that America is exceptional.

There are hundreds of former Democrats leaving the party every day and November of 2020 will return control of the House to the Republicans who realize that it is their job to make things right. If they do not do it this time, with the House, Senate, and Executive office in their hands our country is going to dissolve into a mish mash of States instead of a Union of States.

Common_Sense_Matters

Rose42 wrote:

Some of them do yes. At the same time democrats have given a pass to some of the things Obama has done - like his fight with the press.

This divide is a two way street. What is the solution? Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs. Many get caught up in that madness. Our elected officials know whats going on and do nothing but contribute to that mentality. No one is stepping up from the democrats or republicans. I don’t see any signs that this will change.

Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight with the press", I remember well how the press hammered on and on over every little controversial thing just as hard as they hammer Trump, often times each incident h*****g in the news LONGER than it does for Trump. They would come on day after day giving us the same facts we already knew and occasionally, something new would come out regarding the story and we would hear something ever so slightly different. The press just seems fascinated with anything they can run on presidents.

I think the reason it just seems more noticeable with Trump in office, he gives them so many things to hammer him on, he is always doing, tweeting or saying something stupid and the press just pounces, much like they did whenever Obama had anything news worthy. Say what you like about the "liberal" media bias, they didn't act so "liberal" when Obama was in office. I don't think the MSM so much has any real "liberal" bias, more that they are just being accused of it because of Trump's buffoonery, though perhaps they relish the chance to strike back at Trump due to his constant attacks on them.

As for "Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs" While I do see SOME on the left calling Trump and some of Trump's closest cronies "anti-American" and/or "t*****r(s)" and many other things that some may consider "unkind", I rarely see anyone from the left (if ever) calling ALL from the "right" those things. I have however seen quite a few from the "right" saying those things and more about those on the "left". I have even had to wipe "h**e spittle" that flew straight up off my computer screen while reading a post from a "righty" crying about how h**eful the "left" was, off of my face, I nearly drowned in that "h**e spittle" I got drenched with. Several from the "right" go off into right tidy tirades of h**e towards the "lefties" and sometimes it is just to be hating on the "lefties", sometimes it is over the perceived hatred of the "left" supposedly against the "right" and the supposed hatred of the "lefties" against all of America. Many on the "right" claim that the "left" is more h**eful, I just can't see that as true, as for frequency, focus and intensity, it does appear, at least to me, as if the most hatred comes from the "right".

I have seen some h**e from both sides, from the "left" and from those from the "center" NOT enamored with Trump, myself included, it is USUALLY directed at certain parties (Trump being the most frequent target), both politicians and posters here on OPP, but for the most part, it is fairly tame, except perhaps that which is aim at Trump. From the "right", I have seen some that is fairly tame but all too often, I have to wipe the "h**e spittle" off my face.

I think we are less prone to actually see it or see the true severity of it if it is from those we agree with perhaps, though I am usually fairly in-tuned and would like to think that I can fairly judge the frequency, target and severity of the h**e that I see. Many just tune it out if they even remotely agree with it I think.

Trump isn't helping things any with his constant attacks on the press and anyone that doesn't agree with every little thing he says or does though, of ALL the president we have seen go through the oval office, he does seem to be inciting the most division with his own actions, words and tweets. I think I would place Obama in second place but he did it just with his mere presence in the oval office, it would seem that we weren't quite ready for Obama, there is just way too much animosity toward minorities still to this day. In third, I would say Richard Nixon, but again, he called it upon himself with his attempts to sweep "Watergate" under the rug.

It would be nice if we could put partisan politics to the back burner and focus on policies instead. Of course I find it hard to focus as much on the policies when we have someone in the oval office that I think is giving us a black eye, not with his politics, but with what I consider his unsuitability to hold office. as much as Trump supporters deny it, they world leaders HAVE been laughing at us and I DO mean quite literally, one example was 2018 UN general assembly they admitted it, they were laughing AT him, not WITH him all because he thought his speech at that assembly would be the perfect time for him to brag about himself and his "accomplishments". Another notable example, was earlier this year, Trump had Chinese trade leaders in the oval office and he threw a tantrum over semantics because he prefers contracts to MOUs (standard trade "contract" between nations) and wouldn't let it go, even though it was explained to him in the simplest of terms, until he was coddled and pacified by our trade representative telling Trump we will no longer call them MOUs but rather contracts, they will still BE MOUs but we will now call them a contract, "simply to pacify the 3 year old in the room" (my words, the trade negotiator didn't say them).

I don't care that he is Republican, I have v**ed for Republicans and have considered v****g for others, him included before I figured out his antics weren't an act to draw attention to his campaign but rather character flaws. His policies... Let's just say that many are due to his own hatreds and bigotries and a foolish hope that trickle down economics can work. Yes, he cut taxes for ALL, some lasting longer than others, but he 86'ed many deductions that many working class people counted on to lower their tax obligations so some, got a break, some broke even, didn't pay more, didn't pay less to any real extent, some actually DID pay more overall AFTER the "tax break" due to not being able to claim many of the deductions they counted on. To me, it seems that the ones that actually got the tax relief are the ones that needed it least, a disguised trickle down economics attempt.

Common_Sense_Matters

IrreverentOne75 wrote:

Unfortunately the Progs and the Anti-Trumpers, as ... (show quote)

Wow, do you actually believe a word of what you say? Thick skin? He perceives EVERYTHING as a personal attack on him and goes on the defensive and attacks everyone that doesn't agree with his every word. please, define to me what your definition of "thick skin" is, it obviously doesn't jive with my definition.

As for your assertion that those not on the Trump ass kissing tour don't consider America as exceptional, do you even know what Trump's slogan "MAGA" stands for? Make America Great Again. Doesn't that imply that America wasn't great but that Trump will MAKE it great again? Obama's campaign Slogan was "Yes we CAN!". Trump makes derogatory statements about America and you cheer him, Obama makes a non-derogatory inspirational statement and you boo him. I don't follow your "logic" and refuse to get a lobotomy to make it make any sense.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Common_Sense_Matters wrote:

Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight with the press", I remember well how the press hammered on and on over every little controversial thing just as hard as they hammer Trump, often times each incident h*****g in the news LONGER than it does for Trump. They would come on day after day giving us the same facts we already knew and occasionally, something new would come out regarding the story and we would hear something ever so slightly different. The press just seems fascinated with anything they can run on presidents.

I think the reason it just seems more noticeable with Trump in office, he gives them so many things to hammer him on, he is always doing, tweeting or saying something stupid and the press just pounces, much like they did whenever Obama had anything news worthy. Say what you like about the "liberal" media bias, they didn't act so "liberal" when Obama was in office. I don't think the MSM so much has any real "liberal" bias, more that they are just being accused of it because of Trump's buffoonery, though perhaps they relish the chance to strike back at Trump due to his constant attacks on them.

As for "Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs" While I do see SOME on the left calling Trump and some of Trump's closest cronies "anti-American" and/or "t*****r(s)" and many other things that some may consider "unkind", I rarely see anyone from the left (if ever) calling ALL from the "right" those things. I have however seen quite a few from the "right" saying those things and more about those on the "left". I have even had to wipe "h**e spittle" that flew straight up off my computer screen while reading a post from a "righty" crying about how h**eful the "left" was, off of my face, I nearly drowned in that "h**e spittle" I got drenched with. Several from the "right" go off into right tidy tirades of h**e towards the "lefties" and sometimes it is just to be hating on the "lefties", sometimes it is over the perceived hatred of the "left" supposedly against the "right" and the supposed hatred of the "lefties" against all of America. Many on the "right" claim that the "left" is more h**eful, I just can't see that as true, as for frequency, focus and intensity, it does appear, at least to me, as if the most hatred comes from the "right".

I have seen some h**e from both sides, from the "left" and from those from the "center" NOT enamored with Trump, myself included, it is USUALLY directed at certain parties (Trump being the most frequent target), both politicians and posters here on OPP, but for the most part, it is fairly tame, except perhaps that which is aim at Trump. From the "right", I have seen some that is fairly tame but all too often, I have to wipe the "h**e spittle" off my face.

I think we are less prone to actually see it or see the true severity of it if it is from those we agree with perhaps, though I am usually fairly in-tuned and would like to think that I can fairly judge the frequency, target and severity of the h**e that I see. Many just tune it out if they even remotely agree with it I think.

Trump isn't helping things any with his constant attacks on the press and anyone that doesn't agree with every little thing he says or does though, of ALL the president we have seen go through the oval office, he does seem to be inciting the most division with his own actions, words and tweets. I think I would place Obama in second place but he did it just with his mere presence in the oval office, it would seem that we weren't quite ready for Obama, there is just way too much animosity toward minorities still to this day. In third, I would say Richard Nixon, but again, he called it upon himself with his attempts to sweep "Watergate" under the rug.

It would be nice if we could put partisan politics to the back burner and focus on policies instead. Of course I find it hard to focus as much on the policies when we have someone in the oval office that I think is giving us a black eye, not with his politics, but with what I consider his unsuitability to hold office. as much as Trump supporters deny it, they world leaders HAVE been laughing at us and I DO mean quite literally, one example was 2018 UN general assembly they admitted it, they were laughing AT him, not WITH him all because he thought his speech at that assembly would be the perfect time for him to brag about himself and his "accomplishments". Another notable example, was earlier this year, Trump had Chinese trade leaders in the oval office and he threw a tantrum over semantics because he prefers contracts to MOUs (standard trade "contract" between nations) and wouldn't let it go, even though it was explained to him in the simplest of terms, until he was coddled and pacified by our trade representative telling Trump we will no longer call them MOUs but rather contracts, they will still BE MOUs but we will now call them a contract, "simply to pacify the 3 year old in the room" (my words, the trade negotiator didn't say them).

I don't care that he is Republican, I have v**ed for Republicans and have considered v****g for others, him included before I figured out his antics weren't an act to draw attention to his campaign but rather character flaws. His policies... Let's just say that many are due to his own hatreds and bigotries and a foolish hope that trickle down economics can work. Yes, he cut taxes for ALL, some lasting longer than others, but he 86'ed many deductions that many working class people counted on to lower their tax obligations so some, got a break, some broke even, didn't pay more, didn't pay less to any real extent, some actually DID pay more overall AFTER the "tax break" due to not being able to claim many of the deductions they counted on. To me, it seems that the ones that actually got the tax relief are the ones that needed it least, a disguised trickle down economics attempt.

Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight w... (show quote)

Have you thought about asking Hillardy "What Happened"..??

Maybe the suicide goddess is prostituting her non-barking seizure moments campaigning for every Prog, Democrat, C*******t, Liberal, and Freak show emerging from the clown car on the left, because she knows what a colossal failure that she was to you "twice"...

Seth

rumitoid wrote:

I have a daughter and most of us have children. If... (show quote)

I get it, like the way every Democrat in America had something disapproving to say to William Jefferson Clinton about the Monica Lewinsky debacle.

Reminds me of the time I was headed to the store and I ran into this thing called a whatchamacallit, a "double standard..."

tactful Loc: just North of the District of LMAO

Common_Sense_Matters wrote:

Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight with the press", I remember well how the press hammered on and on over every little controversial thing just as hard as they hammer Trump, often times each incident h*****g in the news LONGER than it does for Trump. They would come on day after day giving us the same facts we already knew and occasionally, something new would come out regarding the story and we would hear something ever so slightly different. The press just seems fascinated with anything they can run on presidents.

I think the reason it just seems more noticeable with Trump in office, he gives them so many things to hammer him on, he is always doing, tweeting or saying something stupid and the press just pounces, much like they did whenever Obama had anything news worthy. Say what you like about the "liberal" media bias, they didn't act so "liberal" when Obama was in office. I don't think the MSM so much has any real "liberal" bias, more that they are just being accused of it because of Trump's buffoonery, though perhaps they relish the chance to strike back at Trump due to his constant attacks on them.

As for "Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs" While I do see SOME on the left calling Trump and some of Trump's closest cronies "anti-American" and/or "t*****r(s)" and many other things that some may consider "unkind", I rarely see anyone from the left (if ever) calling ALL from the "right" those things. I have however seen quite a few from the "right" saying those things and more about those on the "left". I have even had to wipe "h**e spittle" that flew straight up off my computer screen while reading a post from a "righty" crying about how h**eful the "left" was, off of my face, I nearly drowned in that "h**e spittle" I got drenched with. Several from the "right" go off into right tidy tirades of h**e towards the "lefties" and sometimes it is just to be hating on the "lefties", sometimes it is over the perceived hatred of the "left" supposedly against the "right" and the supposed hatred of the "lefties" against all of America. Many on the "right" claim that the "left" is more h**eful, I just can't see that as true, as for frequency, focus and intensity, it does appear, at least to me, as if the most hatred comes from the "right".

I have seen some h**e from both sides, from the "left" and from those from the "center" NOT enamored with Trump, myself included, it is USUALLY directed at certain parties (Trump being the most frequent target), both politicians and posters here on OPP, but for the most part, it is fairly tame, except perhaps that which is aim at Trump. From the "right", I have seen some that is fairly tame but all too often, I have to wipe the "h**e spittle" off my face.

I think we are less prone to actually see it or see the true severity of it if it is from those we agree with perhaps, though I am usually fairly in-tuned and would like to think that I can fairly judge the frequency, target and severity of the h**e that I see. Many just tune it out if they even remotely agree with it I think.

Trump isn't helping things any with his constant attacks on the press and anyone that doesn't agree with every little thing he says or does though, of ALL the president we have seen go through the oval office, he does seem to be inciting the most division with his own actions, words and tweets. I think I would place Obama in second place but he did it just with his mere presence in the oval office, it would seem that we weren't quite ready for Obama, there is just way too much animosity toward minorities still to this day. In third, I would say Richard Nixon, but again, he called it upon himself with his attempts to sweep "Watergate" under the rug.

It would be nice if we could put partisan politics to the back burner and focus on policies instead. Of course I find it hard to focus as much on the policies when we have someone in the oval office that I think is giving us a black eye, not with his politics, but with what I consider his unsuitability to hold office. as much as Trump supporters deny it, they world leaders HAVE been laughing at us and I DO mean quite literally, one example was 2018 UN general assembly they admitted it, they were laughing AT him, not WITH him all because he thought his speech at that assembly would be the perfect time for him to brag about himself and his "accomplishments". Another notable example, was earlier this year, Trump had Chinese trade leaders in the oval office and he threw a tantrum over semantics because he prefers contracts to MOUs (standard trade "contract" between nations) and wouldn't let it go, even though it was explained to him in the simplest of terms, until he was coddled and pacified by our trade representative telling Trump we will no longer call them MOUs but rather contracts, they will still BE MOUs but we will now call them a contract, "simply to pacify the 3 year old in the room" (my words, the trade negotiator didn't say them).

I don't care that he is Republican, I have v**ed for Republicans and have considered v****g for others, him included before I figured out his antics weren't an act to draw attention to his campaign but rather character flaws. His policies... Let's just say that many are due to his own hatreds and bigotries and a foolish hope that trickle down economics can work. Yes, he cut taxes for ALL, some lasting longer than others, but he 86'ed many deductions that many working class people counted on to lower their tax obligations so some, got a break, some broke even, didn't pay more, didn't pay less to any real extent, some actually DID pay more overall AFTER the "tax break" due to not being able to claim many of the deductions they counted on. To me, it seems that the ones that actually got the tax relief are the ones that needed it least, a disguised trickle down economics attempt.

Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight w... (show quote)

Good post CSM, a tad long but worth it. As to the last sentence, I can't go through the rest.
It did not work for Reagan.
Why and how would trickle down work now? Short answer: it wouldn't. I still work. As such it is simply inconceivable.
And there is no shortage of h**e out there or on opp.

Rose42

Common_Sense_Matters wrote:

Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight w... (show quote)

You're right they're always fascinated with anything about presidents. But Obama was coddled by the press - except for Fox and conservative commentators. Before the e******n they surprisingly thrashed Clinton but they treated him with kid gloves. She was far more qualified - he was at best a mediocre politician who'd never done anything.

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I think the reason it just seems more noticeable w... (show quote)

With Trump its different. Its far more mean spirited. Sure he gives them a lot of material to work with - more than previous presidents. But the press is getting sloppier, more activist oriented and meaner.

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As for "Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs" While I do see SOME on the left calling Trump and some of Trump's closest cronies "anti-American" and/or "t*****r(s)" and many other things that some may consider "unkind", I rarely see anyone from the left (if ever) calling ALL from the "right" those things.

I'm not talking about this forum alone. This forum has more that lean right so you'll see more of that from the right.

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I have however seen quite a few from the "ri... (show quote)

The h**e on the left manifests itself in different ways. Constant cries of r****m, bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, islamaphobia, t***sphobia and any other neue phobia they'd like to make up. The desire to control speech and to k**l the unborn. Catering to special interests. These are not minor issues and that's not liberalism. The democrat party has morphed into an unrecognizable monster. The same can be said for the republican party.

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I have seen some h**e from both sides, from the "left" and from those from the "center" NOT enamored with Trump, myself included, it is USUALLY directed at certain parties (Trump being the most frequent target), both politicians and posters here on OPP, but for the most part, it is fairly tame, except perhaps that which is aim at Trump. From the "right", I have seen some that is fairly tame but all too often, I have to wipe the "h**e spittle" off my face.

On both sides people are venting their frustrations. What people like about Trump is he says what he wants with no regard for political correctness. Its also what people don't like about Trump.

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I think we are less prone to actually see it or see the true severity of it if it is from those we agree with perhaps, though I am usually fairly in-tuned and would like to think that I can fairly judge the frequency, target and severity of the h**e that I see. Many just tune it out if they even remotely agree with it I think.

People get numbed to it that's why they tone it out. IMO

I don't know how old you are but when I was very young I was a democrat. The party was much different. There was mudslinging on both sides - always has been. But never to this extent and Americans were never this angry or volatile. Social media plays a huge part in that. As a preacher once said, entertainment is the devil's playground. And he said it 40 years ago. For every step forward in technology we lose something.

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Trump isn't helping things any with his constant a... (show quote)

Obama wasn't a passive player in the d******eness. But Trump has taken it to another level. If he could just do his job without all the bluster it wouldn't be as bad. I'll say one thing for him. He's had a lot hurled his way and most people would shrivel up and die under that pressure. Obama took a lot of pressure too. He really aged.

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It would be nice if we could put partisan politics to the back burner and focus on policies instead. Of course I find it hard to focus as much on the policies when we have someone in the oval office that I think is giving us a black eye, not with his politics, but with what I consider his unsuitability to hold office. as much as Trump supporters deny it, they world leaders HAVE been laughing at us and I DO mean quite literally, one example was 2018 UN general assembly they admitted it, they were laughing AT him, not WITH him all because he thought his speech at that assembly would be the perfect time for him to brag about himself and his "accomplishments". Another notable example, was earlier this year, Trump had Chinese trade leaders in the oval office and he threw a tantrum over semantics because he prefers contracts to MOUs (standard trade "contract" between nations) and wouldn't let it go, even though it was explained to him in the simplest of terms, until he was coddled and pacified by our trade representative telling Trump we will no longer call them MOUs but rather contracts, they will still BE MOUs but we will now call them a contract, "simply to pacify the 3 year old in the room" (my words, the trade negotiator didn't say them).

I don't care that he is Republican, I have v**ed for Republicans and have considered v****g for others, him included before I figured out his antics weren't an act to draw attention to his campaign but rather character flaws. His policies... Let's just say that many are due to his own hatreds and bigotries and a foolish hope that trickle down economics can work. Yes, he cut taxes for ALL, some lasting longer than others, but he 86'ed many deductions that many working class people counted on to lower their tax obligations so some, got a break, some broke even, didn't pay more, didn't pay less to any real extent, some actually DID pay more overall AFTER the "tax break" due to not being able to claim many of the deductions they counted on. To me, it seems that the ones that actually got the tax relief are the ones that needed it least, a disguised trickle down economics attempt.

It would be nice if we could put partisan politics... (show quote)

Trickle down economics works as well as socialism. It doesn't.

I'm hoping Nicki Haley decides to run in 2020 but I doubt she will. If Trump wins a second term the dam may very well burst. So far no democrat has come forward that is a good leader. We are likely to see a continued trend of worsening p**********l candidates. I hope I am wrong.

Carol Kelly

No matter what the report contains Trump will remain under suspicion. What a dirty shame when we have a decent, patriotic American rescuing us from the damage done to us by Barack Obama and Co.

emarine

Rose42 wrote:

Some of them do yes. At the same time democrats have given a pass to some of the things Obama has done - like his fight with the press.

This divide is a two way street. What is the solution? Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs. Many get caught up in that madness. Our elected officials know whats going on and do nothing but contribute to that mentality. No one is stepping up from the democrats or republicans. I don’t see any signs that this will change.

Unfortunately Rose buddy I agree... in 2016 I thought Trump would be more of a statesman uniting us... seems all he does is incite the divide... I don't think Trumps even a real Republican... just an opportunist cashing in on a publicity stunt...

rumitoid

emarine wrote:

Trump supporters play tit for tat with the short comings of past administrations to try & justify Trumps outright lies... this just divides this country...It is the Presidents responsibility to unite not divide... in all reality its not h**e... that's a poor excuse for failure to properly do his job to unite this country ...

Amen! A democrat lied, and that allows or mitigates somehow Trump to lie? Huh?

rumitoid

IrreverentOne75 wrote:

Unfortunately the Progs and the Anti-Trumpers, as ... (show quote)

"...ill conceived and totally false statements about the President"? What if their statements are true and can be easily proven in Trump's own words in videos or on Twitter: how do you respond then?

emarine

Common_Sense_Matters wrote:

Interesting that you mention Obama's "fight with the press", I remember well how the press hammered on and on over every little controversial thing just as hard as they hammer Trump, often times each incident h*****g in the news LONGER than it does for Trump. They would come on day after day giving us the same facts we already knew and occasionally, something new would come out regarding the story and we would hear something ever so slightly different. The press just seems fascinated with anything they can run on presidents.

I think the reason it just seems more noticeable with Trump in office, he gives them so many things to hammer him on, he is always doing, tweeting or saying something stupid and the press just pounces, much like they did whenever Obama had anything news worthy. Say what you like about the "liberal" media bias, they didn't act so "liberal" when Obama was in office. I don't think the MSM so much has any real "liberal" bias, more that they are just being accused of it because of Trump's buffoonery, though perhaps they relish the chance to strike back at Trump due to his constant attacks on them.

As for "Each side says the other is anti-American and t*****rs" While I do see SOME on the left calling Trump and some of Trump's closest cronies "anti-American" and/or "t*****r(s)" and many other things that some may consider "unkind", I rarely see anyone from the left (if ever) calling ALL from the "right" those things. I have however seen quite a few from the "right" saying those things and more about those on the "left". I have even had to wipe "h**e spittle" that flew straight up off my computer screen while reading a post from a "righty" crying about how h**eful the "left" was, off of my face, I nearly drowned in that "h**e spittle" I got drenched with. Several from the "right" go off into right tidy tirades of h**e towards the "lefties" and sometimes it is just to be hating on the "lefties", sometimes it is over the perceived hatred of the "left" supposedly against the "right" and the supposed hatred of the "lefties" against all of America. Many on the "right" claim that the "left" is more h**eful, I just can't see that as true, as for frequency, focus and intensity, it does appear, at least to me, as if the most hatred comes from the "right".

I have seen some h**e from both sides, from the "left" and from those from the "center" NOT enamored with Trump, myself included, it is USUALLY directed at certain parties (Trump being the most frequent target), both politicians and posters here on OPP, but for the most part, it is fairly tame, except perhaps that which is aim at Trump. From the "right", I have seen some that is fairly tame but all too often, I have to wipe the "h**e spittle" off my face.

I think we are less prone to actually see it or see the true severity of it if it is from those we agree with perhaps, though I am usually fairly in-tuned and would like to think that I can fairly judge the frequency, target and severity of the h**e that I see. Many just tune it out if they even remotely agree with it I think.

Trump isn't helping things any with his constant attacks on the press and anyone that doesn't agree with every little thing he says or does though, of ALL the president we have seen go through the oval office, he does seem to be inciting the most division with his own actions, words and tweets. I think I would place Obama in second place but he did it just with his mere presence in the oval office, it would seem that we weren't quite ready for Obama, there is just way too much animosity toward minorities still to this day. In third, I would say Richard Nixon, but again, he called it upon himself with his attempts to sweep "Watergate" under the rug.

It would be nice if we could put partisan politics to the back burner and focus on policies instead. Of course I find it hard to focus as much on the policies when we have someone in the oval office that I think is giving us a black eye, not with his politics, but with what I consider his unsuitability to hold office. as much as Trump supporters deny it, they world leaders HAVE been laughing at us and I DO mean quite literally, one example was 2018 UN general assembly they admitted it, they were laughing AT him, not WITH him all because he thought his speech at that assembly would be the perfect time for him to brag about himself and his "accomplishments". Another notable example, was earlier this year, Trump had Chinese trade leaders in the oval office and he threw a tantrum over semantics because he prefers contracts to MOUs (standard trade "contract" between nations) and wouldn't let it go, even though it was explained to him in the simplest of terms, until he was coddled and pacified by our trade representative telling Trump we will no longer call them MOUs but rather contracts, they will still BE MOUs but we will now call them a contract, "simply to pacify the 3 year old in the room" (my words, the trade negotiator didn't say them).

I don't care that he is Republican, I have v**ed for Republicans and have considered v****g for others, him included before I figured out his antics weren't an act to draw attention to his campaign but rather character flaws. His policies... Let's just say that many are due to his own hatreds and bigotries and a foolish hope that trickle down economics can work. Yes, he cut taxes for ALL, some lasting longer than others, but he 86'ed many deductions that many working class people counted on to lower their tax obligations so some, got a break, some broke even, didn't pay more, didn't pay less to any real extent, some actually DID pay more overall AFTER the "tax break" due to not being able to claim many of the deductions they counted on. To me, it seems that the ones that actually got the tax relief are the ones that needed it least, a disguised trickle down economics attempt.

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