Is Peter the rock on which the Church is built? Not according to God's word
Dec 6, 2018 10:39:21 #
Rose42.
All you do is bring up all the same old arguments that Protestant have about Simon bar Jonah, Cephas-Peter "The Rock".
You haven proven anything except expand on you're Man-Made biblical self-interpreting doctrinal opposition nature of Protestantism.
Rose42, You have no teaching authority. . . you and Martin Luther just made yourself a mini-Pope, with 30,000 thousand protestant cohorts . . .
You happen to be so bigoted, prejudicial, you post no positive articles on Christianity.
You have nothing to say about Jesus Christ except the condemnation of His One True-Church that He founded.
You are heretical, and only believe in your form of selective religious "Sopping-Cart" Christianity which is an abomination to Jesus Word.
Go back to your Protestant Troll-Hole, where you belong . . .
Doc110
All you do is bring up all the same old arguments that Protestant have about Simon bar Jonah, Cephas-Peter "The Rock".
You haven proven anything except expand on you're Man-Made biblical self-interpreting doctrinal opposition nature of Protestantism.
Rose42, You have no teaching authority. . . you and Martin Luther just made yourself a mini-Pope, with 30,000 thousand protestant cohorts . . .
You happen to be so bigoted, prejudicial, you post no positive articles on Christianity.
You have nothing to say about Jesus Christ except the condemnation of His One True-Church that He founded.
You are heretical, and only believe in your form of selective religious "Sopping-Cart" Christianity which is an abomination to Jesus Word.
Go back to your Protestant Troll-Hole, where you belong . . .
Doc110
Rose42 wrote:
You are desperately trying to deflect from the truth and you fail. How many times have you posted this in your futile efforts to defend the false doctrine of your church?
You are desperately trying to deflect from the truth and you fail. How many times have you posted this in your futile efforts to defend the false doctrine of your church?
Dec 6, 2018 10:46:03 #
The Papacy
"And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity.
The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter . . ." (Matt. 10:1-2).
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.’"
(Matt. 16:18-19).
"‘Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.’"
(Luke 22:31-32).
"He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, ‘So you are Simon the son of John?
You shall be called Cephas’ (which means Peter)"
(John 1:42).
"When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?’
He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Feed my lambs.’
A second time he said to him, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’
He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Tend my sheep.’ He said to him the third time, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’
Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, ‘Do you love me?’
And he said to him, ‘Lord, you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my sheep.’"
(John 21:15-17).
"And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity.
The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter . . ." (Matt. 10:1-2).
"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.’"
(Matt. 16:18-19).
"‘Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren.’"
(Luke 22:31-32).
"He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him, and said, ‘So you are Simon the son of John?
You shall be called Cephas’ (which means Peter)"
(John 1:42).
"When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?’
He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Feed my lambs.’
A second time he said to him, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’
He said to him, ‘Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.’ He said to him, ‘Tend my sheep.’ He said to him the third time, ‘Simon, son of John, do you love me?’
Peter was grieved because he said to him the third time, ‘Do you love me?’
And he said to him, ‘Lord, you know that I love you.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Feed my sheep.’"
(John 21:15-17).
Rose42 wrote:
Already proven Doc.
But you have to actually read the posts and read the Scriptures that prove Peter was not the rock and that the papacy isn't Biblical.
Already proven Doc.
But you have to actually read the posts and read the Scriptures that prove Peter was not the rock and that the papacy isn't Biblical.
Dec 6, 2018 10:56:30 #
12/04/2018 Scriptural Reference Guide. (Part 1)
https://www.catholic.com/tract/scriptural-reference-guide-0
The Catholic Church bases her teaching upon one source:
The word of God.
This divine revelation is transmitted in two ways: through Scripture and apostolic tradition.
Many assume that only the writings of the apostles are the word of God. However, their oral transmission of the faith is also considered the word of God.
(1 Thess. 2:13).
Few Protestant groups today accept the validity, let alone the authority, of tradition. In fact, many believe that Scripture is the only definitive source of divine truth.
For this reason, they are critical of certain doctrines of the Catholic Church, which, according to them, have no basis in Scripture.
In fact, those who embrace the theory of sola scriptura attempt to use the Bible to contradict, to prove baseless, certain Church teachings, such as the Real Presence and the existence of purgatory.
However, these teachings are reflected in Scripture, as the passages we will look at illustrate.
Our purpose here is not to dissect the opposition.
Rather, our purpose is to provide a scriptural evidence for these doctrines.
Under each Catholic doctrine in the list that follows are passages from Scripture that witness to the doctrine’s divine origin.
For the Catholic, what follows will make clear the harmony of Scripture and tradition: truth cannot contradict truth.
Whether God speaks to us through the Bible or through the voice of tradition, the word spoken is always a true and steadfast guide.
Please note that all scriptural citations are taken from the Revised Standard Version: Catholic Edition of the Holy Bible.
Scripture and Tradition
"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you."
(1 Cor. 11:2).
"Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us."
(2 Tim. 1:13-14).
"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter."
(2 Thess. 2:15)
"You, then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."
(2 Tim. 2:1-2)
"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
(2 Peter 1:20-21).
"‘Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink, but I hope to come to see you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete."
(2 John 12).
Faith and Works
"‘Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.’"
(Matt. 7:21).
"‘Why do you call me "Lord, Lord," and not do what I tell you?’"
(Luke 6:46).
"For he will render every man according to his works . . ."
(Rom. 2:6-8).
"For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified."
(Rom. 2:13).
"For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgments . . .
(Heb. 10:26-27).
"What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?"
(Jas. 2:14).
"So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead."
(Jas. 2:17).
"But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works.’ Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. . . .
Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? (Jas. 2:18-20). "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."
(Jas. 2:24).
The Trinity
"Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . .’"
(Gen. 1:26).
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
(Matt. 28:19).
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
(John 1:1)
"But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land?
While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?
And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal?
How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart?
You have not lied to men but to God.’"
(Acts 5:3-4)
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
(2 Cor. 13:14).
Christ’s Divinity
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called ‘Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.’"
(Is. 9:6).
"Simon Peter replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ And Jesus answered him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.’"
(Matt. 16:16-17).
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
(John 1:1).
"Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
(John 8:58).
"‘I and the Father are one.’"
(John 10:30).
"For in him [Christ] the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily."
(Col. 2:9).
"In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power . . ."
(Heb. 1:1-3).
"But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. . . . And, "Thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of thy hands.."
(Heb. 1:8, 10)
Real Presence in the Eucharist
"‘Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’
So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed’."
(John 6:47-55).
"For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, ‘This is my body which is for you.
Do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant of my blood.
Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.’
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."
(1 Cor. 11:23-26).
"Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord."
(1 Cor. 11:27).
(End Part 1)
https://www.catholic.com/tract/scriptural-reference-guide-0
The Catholic Church bases her teaching upon one source:
The word of God.
This divine revelation is transmitted in two ways: through Scripture and apostolic tradition.
Many assume that only the writings of the apostles are the word of God. However, their oral transmission of the faith is also considered the word of God.
(1 Thess. 2:13).
Few Protestant groups today accept the validity, let alone the authority, of tradition. In fact, many believe that Scripture is the only definitive source of divine truth.
For this reason, they are critical of certain doctrines of the Catholic Church, which, according to them, have no basis in Scripture.
In fact, those who embrace the theory of sola scriptura attempt to use the Bible to contradict, to prove baseless, certain Church teachings, such as the Real Presence and the existence of purgatory.
However, these teachings are reflected in Scripture, as the passages we will look at illustrate.
Our purpose here is not to dissect the opposition.
Rather, our purpose is to provide a scriptural evidence for these doctrines.
Under each Catholic doctrine in the list that follows are passages from Scripture that witness to the doctrine’s divine origin.
For the Catholic, what follows will make clear the harmony of Scripture and tradition: truth cannot contradict truth.
Whether God speaks to us through the Bible or through the voice of tradition, the word spoken is always a true and steadfast guide.
Please note that all scriptural citations are taken from the Revised Standard Version: Catholic Edition of the Holy Bible.
Scripture and Tradition
"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you."
(1 Cor. 11:2).
"Follow the pattern of the sound words which you have heard from me, in the faith and love which are in Christ Jesus; guard the truth that has been entrusted to you by the Holy Spirit who dwells within us."
(2 Tim. 1:13-14).
"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter."
(2 Thess. 2:15)
"You, then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also."
(2 Tim. 2:1-2)
"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
(2 Peter 1:20-21).
"‘Though I have much to write to you, I would rather not use paper and ink, but I hope to come to see you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete."
(2 John 12).
Faith and Works
"‘Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.’"
(Matt. 7:21).
"‘Why do you call me "Lord, Lord," and not do what I tell you?’"
(Luke 6:46).
"For he will render every man according to his works . . ."
(Rom. 2:6-8).
"For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified."
(Rom. 2:13).
"For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgments . . .
(Heb. 10:26-27).
"What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him?"
(Jas. 2:14).
"So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead."
(Jas. 2:17).
"But some one will say, ‘You have faith and I have works.’ Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. . . .
Do you want to be shown, you foolish fellow, that faith apart from works is barren? (Jas. 2:18-20). "You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."
(Jas. 2:24).
The Trinity
"Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . .’"
(Gen. 1:26).
"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."
(Matt. 28:19).
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
(John 1:1)
"But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land?
While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own?
And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal?
How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart?
You have not lied to men but to God.’"
(Acts 5:3-4)
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."
(2 Cor. 13:14).
Christ’s Divinity
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called ‘Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.’"
(Is. 9:6).
"Simon Peter replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ And Jesus answered him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.’"
(Matt. 16:16-17).
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
(John 1:1).
"Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
(John 8:58).
"‘I and the Father are one.’"
(John 10:30).
"For in him [Christ] the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily."
(Col. 2:9).
"In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power . . ."
(Heb. 1:1-3).
"But of the Son he says, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous scepter is the scepter of thy kingdom. . . . And, "Thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of thy hands.."
(Heb. 1:8, 10)
Real Presence in the Eucharist
"‘Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’
The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’
So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed’."
(John 6:47-55).
"For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, ‘This is my body which is for you.
Do this in remembrance of me.’ In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, ‘This cup is the new covenant of my blood.
Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.’
For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."
(1 Cor. 11:23-26).
"Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord."
(1 Cor. 11:27).
(End Part 1)
Dec 6, 2018 11:01:35 #
Doc110 wrote:
Balmer, br br you are also a hateful person. br... (show quote)
And you and Radiance are two of the most ignorant people on OPP. Things that have been explained every which that can be thought of and you two still sit in your ignorance and deny the truth.
Dec 6, 2018 11:02:06 #
bahmer wrote:
Amen and Amen I was at the doctor yesterday and it... (show quote)
I may have to stop reading Catholic doctrine for a while because seeing how they mislead so many and profane the word of God angers me. They profane the Trinity with their idol worship and the papacy.
Nah, I won't stop. lol
Dec 6, 2018 11:03:59 #
12/04/2018 Scriptural Reference Guide. (Part 2)
https://www.catholic.com/tract/scriptural-reference-guide-0
The Catholic Church bases her teaching upon one source:
The word of God.
This divine revelation is transmitted in two ways: through Scripture and apostolic tradition.
Many assume that only the writings of the apostles are the word of God. However, their oral transmission of the faith is also considered the word of God.
(1 Thess. 2:13).
Few Protestant groups today accept the validity, let alone the authority, of tradition. In fact, many believe that Scripture is the only definitive source of divine truth.
For this reason, they are critical of certain doctrines of the Catholic Church, which, according to them, have no basis in Scripture.
In fact, those who embrace the theory of sola scriptura attempt to use the Bible to contradict, to prove baseless, certain Church teachings, such as the Real Presence and the existence of purgatory.
However, these teachings are reflected in Scripture, as the passages we will look at illustrate.
Our purpose here is not to dissect the opposition.
Rather, our purpose is to provide a scriptural evidence for these doctrines.
Under each Catholic doctrine in the list that follows are passages from Scripture that witness to the doctrine’s divine origin.
For the Catholic, what follows will make clear the harmony of Scripture and tradition: truth cannot contradict truth.
Whether God speaks to us through the Bible or through the voice of tradition, the word spoken is always a true and steadfast guide.
Please note that all scriptural citations are taken from the Revised Standard Version: Catholic Edition of the Holy Bible.
Purgatory
"For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.
But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."
(2 Macc. 12:44-45).
"Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny."
(Matt. 5:25-26).
"Each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."
(1 Cor. 3:13-15).
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey . . ."
(1 Peter 3:18-20).
"But nothing unclean shall enter it [heaven] . . ."
(Rev. 21:27).
Honor Due to the Virgin Mary
"And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, ‘Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?’"
(Luke 1:41-43).
"And Mary said, ‘My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.’"
(Luke 1:46-49).
"If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together."
(1 Cor. 12:26).
Praying to the Saints
"‘And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is not God of the dead, but of the living . . .’"
(Mark 12:26-27)
"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely . . ."
(Heb. 12:1).
"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."
(Rev. 5:8).
(End Part 2)
https://www.catholic.com/tract/scriptural-reference-guide-0
The Catholic Church bases her teaching upon one source:
The word of God.
This divine revelation is transmitted in two ways: through Scripture and apostolic tradition.
Many assume that only the writings of the apostles are the word of God. However, their oral transmission of the faith is also considered the word of God.
(1 Thess. 2:13).
Few Protestant groups today accept the validity, let alone the authority, of tradition. In fact, many believe that Scripture is the only definitive source of divine truth.
For this reason, they are critical of certain doctrines of the Catholic Church, which, according to them, have no basis in Scripture.
In fact, those who embrace the theory of sola scriptura attempt to use the Bible to contradict, to prove baseless, certain Church teachings, such as the Real Presence and the existence of purgatory.
However, these teachings are reflected in Scripture, as the passages we will look at illustrate.
Our purpose here is not to dissect the opposition.
Rather, our purpose is to provide a scriptural evidence for these doctrines.
Under each Catholic doctrine in the list that follows are passages from Scripture that witness to the doctrine’s divine origin.
For the Catholic, what follows will make clear the harmony of Scripture and tradition: truth cannot contradict truth.
Whether God speaks to us through the Bible or through the voice of tradition, the word spoken is always a true and steadfast guide.
Please note that all scriptural citations are taken from the Revised Standard Version: Catholic Edition of the Holy Bible.
Purgatory
"For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.
But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."
(2 Macc. 12:44-45).
"Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny."
(Matt. 5:25-26).
"Each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done.
If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.
If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."
(1 Cor. 3:13-15).
"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey . . ."
(1 Peter 3:18-20).
"But nothing unclean shall enter it [heaven] . . ."
(Rev. 21:27).
Honor Due to the Virgin Mary
"And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit and she exclaimed with a loud cry, ‘Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?’"
(Luke 1:41-43).
"And Mary said, ‘My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed; for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.’"
(Luke 1:46-49).
"If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together."
(1 Cor. 12:26).
Praying to the Saints
"‘And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God said to him, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"? He is not God of the dead, but of the living . . .’"
(Mark 12:26-27)
"Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely . . ."
(Heb. 12:1).
"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints."
(Rev. 5:8).
(End Part 2)
Dec 6, 2018 11:08:19 #
Rose42 wrote:
I may have to stop reading Catholic doctrine for a while because seeing how they mislead so many and profane the word of God angers me. They profane the Trinity with their idol worship and the papacy.
Nah, I won't stop. lol
Nah, I won't stop. lol
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The DECEPTIONS of the 47,000 denominations worldwide is terrifying. Millions of people are lost and deceived by psychiatric lure of Pastors whose interpretations of the Gospel deviate from the very essence of Christ Teachings. For the sake of making money selling the Words of God to the people.
One of that who aids and abet these Pastors is you Rose42.
Dec 6, 2018 11:25:17 #
Rose42,
You are fulled with hate speech,
You show nothing of God's Love for Men, Women, and Children, and caring of nature and this world.
So you shall be condemned for your guilt and sin's and damnation.
I pray for your soul . . . that is going to hell . . .
Woe to you who preach false Protestant doctrine and present evil . . .
Ezekiel 13:9
9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations.
They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
Jeremiah 23:16
16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
Luke 6:26
26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
Matthew 24:24
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 16:11-12
11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?
But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Acts 20:28-30
28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.
Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
2 Peter 3:14-18
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
1 John 4:1-6
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Matthew 7:15-20
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
2 Peter 1:12-21
12 So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have.
13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,
14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.
15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the
morning star rises in your hearts.
20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will,
but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Titus 1:6-16
6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined.
9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.
11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”
13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith
14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth.
15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign
Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless
8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings;
11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.
12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals
they too will perish.
13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures
while they feast with you.
14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!
15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, who loved the wages of wickedness.
16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.
18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”
20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than
they were at the beginning.
21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on
to them.
22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Matthew 23:1-29
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.
3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacterieswide and the tassels on their garments long;
6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.
9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.
11 The greatest among you will be your servant.
12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those
enter who are trying to.
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as
much a child of hell as you are.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’
17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’
19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.
23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin.
But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the
dead and everything unclean.
28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’
You are fulled with hate speech,
You show nothing of God's Love for Men, Women, and Children, and caring of nature and this world.
So you shall be condemned for your guilt and sin's and damnation.
I pray for your soul . . . that is going to hell . . .
Woe to you who preach false Protestant doctrine and present evil . . .
Ezekiel 13:9
9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations.
They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.
Jeremiah 23:16
16 This is what the LORD Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
Luke 6:26
26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
Matthew 24:24
24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 16:11-12
11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?
But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
Acts 20:28-30
28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.
Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.
29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
2 Peter 3:14-18
14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters.
His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
1 John 4:1-6
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.
5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them.
6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us.
This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
Matthew 7:15-20
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
2 Peter 1:12-21
12 So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have.
13 I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,
14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me.
15 And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the
morning star rises in your hearts.
20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will,
but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Titus 1:6-16
6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
7 Since an overseer manages God’s household, he must be blameless—not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain.
8 Rather, he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined.
9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.
10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.
11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.
12 One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.”
13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith
14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth.
15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.
16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign
Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless
8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)—
9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
10 This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the flesh and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, they are not afraid to heap abuse on celestial beings;
11 yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not heap abuse on such beings when bringing judgment on them from the Lord.
12 But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals
they too will perish.
13 They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures
while they feast with you.
14 With eyes full of adultery, they never stop sinning; they seduce the unstable; they are experts in greed—an accursed brood!
15 They have left the straight way and wandered off to follow the way of Balaam son of Bezer, who loved the wages of wickedness.
16 But he was rebuked for his wrongdoing by a donkey—an animal without speech—who spoke with a human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
17 These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.
18 For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of the flesh, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
19 They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity—for “people are slaves to whatever has mastered them.”
20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than
they were at the beginning.
21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on
to them.
22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
Matthew 23:1-29
1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.
3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacterieswide and the tassels on their garments long;
6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.
9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.
11 The greatest among you will be your servant.
12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those
enter who are trying to.
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as
much a child of hell as you are.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’
17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’
19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.
23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin.
But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the
dead and everything unclean.
28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’
Rose42 wrote:
I may have to stop reading Catholic doctrine for a while because seeing how they mislead so many and profane the word of God angers me.
They profane the Trinity with their idol worship and the papacy.
Nah, I won't stop. lol
I may have to stop reading Catholic doctrine for a while because seeing how they mislead so many and profane the word of God angers me.
They profane the Trinity with their idol worship and the papacy.
Nah, I won't stop. lol
Dec 6, 2018 11:32:06 #
Doc110 wrote:
12/04/2018 Scriptural Reference Guide. (Part 2)
https://www.catholic.com/tract/scriptural-reference-guide-0
The Catholic Church bases her teaching upon one source:
The word of God.
https://www.catholic.com/tract/scriptural-reference-guide-0
The Catholic Church bases her teaching upon one source:
The word of God.
That statement is patently false.
Quote:
This divine revelation is transmitted in two ways: through Scripture and apostolic tradition.
Many assume that only the writings of the apostles are the word of God. However, their oral transmission of the faith is also considered the word of God.
(1 Thess. 2:13).
Many assume that only the writings of the apostles are the word of God. However, their oral transmission of the faith is also considered the word of God.
(1 Thess. 2:13).
Apostolic tradition and succession debunked including the correct interpretation of 1 Thess 2:13 in context -
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146458-1.html
Quote:
Few Protestant groups today accept the validity, let alone the authority, of tradition. In fact, many believe that Scripture is the only definitive source of divine truth.
That is correct because tradition isn't Biblical. As proven, the Bible is sufficient for everything with regards to faith.
Quote:
In fact, those who embrace the theory of sola scriptura attempt to use the Bible to contradict, to prove baseless, certain Church teachings, such as the Real Presence and the existence of purgatory.
The beauty of God's word is Sola Scriptura is so easy to prove because it's crystal clear.
Quote:
Purgatory
"For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.
But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."
(2 Macc. 12:44-45).
"For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.
But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.
Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."
(2 Macc. 12:44-45).
When the reformers pointed out that there was no purgatory and it wasn't Biblical the Catholics had to scramble to try and validate. So they added extra books to the Bible in response to the reformation. Note that purgatory is never mentioned and even the above reference is vague. If purgatory did indeed exist God would never have omitted it.
The False Hope of purgatory with clear not vague Biblical references -
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146569-1.html
Quote:
Honor Due to the Virgin Mary
Mary didn't remain a virgin all her life. Jesus had brothers not cousins as the Catholic church claims. The Bible is very explicit on that. She was also not sinless nor did she ascend into heaven. Catholicism simply made that up.
Exposing the heresies of the Catholic church - Mary worship/veneration -
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-146404-1.html
Mary wasn't the mother of God (but of Jesus) -
https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-145918-1.html
Quote:
Praying to the Saints
Idolatry. None of the verses quoted have anything to do with praying to dead people. Saints are believers.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Dec 6, 2018 11:38:27 #
Now you think you know more than Pope's, Bishops, Priests, and Catholic Theologians with degrees.
You are consumed with Protestant hatred . . .
NIHIL OBSTAT: Latin, literally ‘nothing hinders.’
I have concluded that the materials presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004
(in the Roman Catholic Church) a certification by an official censor that a book is not objectionable on doctrinal or moral grounds.
IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004
01/18/2016 What Are Imprimi Potest, and Imprimatur And Nihil Obstat ? What Are They ?
Father Bartunek
a. https://www.spiritualdirection.com/2016/01/18/what-are-imprimi-potest-imprimatur-and-nihil-obstat
b. https://www.spiritualdirection.com/topics/church/church-authority
c. https://www.spiritualdirection.com/topics/authors-on-rcsd/fr-bartunek-authors-on-rcsd
Dear Father John, Do the terms Imprimi Potest, Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur guarantee that some document, some prayer, etc, is approved by the Church and that we should follow it?
Do they guarantee there are no errors?
I've seen some of these designations on some questionable looking materials; so, I need to know.
It seems that these are not as strictly given as they used to be in the past.
Are they only as good as the approving authority?
In other words, if the approving authority, or staff, doesn't have strict guidelines on these things, could questionable things get by them?
Would you please explain these terms exactly?
Thank you.
“Imprimi Potest” is Latin for “it may be printed.”
This refers to the official permission a member of a religious orders receives to publish a work on a religious subject.
It implies that the religious superior approves the writing as worthy of publishing.
Members of religious orders have a vow of obedience, so they submit major written works to their superiors for approval as part of their vow.
“Imprimatur” is Latin for “let it be printed.”
This indicates the approval of a religious publication by a bishop.
According to canon law, the bishops have the duty and the right “to demand that writings to be published by the Christian faithful which touch upon faith or morals be submitted to their judgment and have the duty and right to condemn writings which harm correct faith or good morals.”
Canon 823
As a result, books that deal with faith and morals need to receive the Imprimatur.
Authors can seek this approval either from the bishop where they reside, or from the bishop where the publisher resides.
“Nihil obstat” is Latin for “nothing stands in the way.”
This is the stamp of approval given by an official censor to a publication having to do with faith and morals.
If a bishop himself doesn’t review a manuscript, then he will delegate a censor to do so.
The “nihil obstat” is the censor’s judgment that nothing in the work stands in the way of its being published.
So, in general, yes, having these approvals should assure the Catholic faithful that the content of the books will not cause harm to their faith.
Books or other writings approved in this way should not contradict the doctrines of our faith.
Nevertheless, many books that deal with issues of faith and morals also address issues besides simple doctrine.
Sometimes they will make recommendations or express opinions that even faithful Catholics can disagree on – the role of emotions in prayer, for example, or how best to prepare children for the sacrament of Confirmation.
An Imprimatur doesn’t indicate that these recommendations and opinions are infallible, or even that the bishop agrees with them.
It just indicates that the work as a whole is in full harmony with official Catholic doctrine regarding faith and morals.
I guess it is possible (at least in theory) that a religious superior, a censor, or a bishop could make an imprudent judgment about a particular work. One bishop, for example, may give his Imprimatur to a work that another bishop would not.
This is because there is always a variety of ways to express or explain our faith – different aspects to emphasize, different characteristics to highlight.
I imagine, however, that it would be very rare for a book with an Imprimatur to teach any doctrine that is actually contrary to our faith.
If you run into doubtful cases, you can always consult the Catechism or get another opinion from someone you trust. If you find that a book has wrongly, in your opinion, received an Imprimatur, you may want to write to the bishop and alert him, although I think this would be a rare occurrence.
I hope this has helped, at least a little bit.
God bless you! In Him, Fr. John
You are consumed with Protestant hatred . . .
NIHIL OBSTAT: Latin, literally ‘nothing hinders.’
I have concluded that the materials presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004
(in the Roman Catholic Church) a certification by an official censor that a book is not objectionable on doctrinal or moral grounds.
IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004
01/18/2016 What Are Imprimi Potest, and Imprimatur And Nihil Obstat ? What Are They ?
Father Bartunek
a. https://www.spiritualdirection.com/2016/01/18/what-are-imprimi-potest-imprimatur-and-nihil-obstat
b. https://www.spiritualdirection.com/topics/church/church-authority
c. https://www.spiritualdirection.com/topics/authors-on-rcsd/fr-bartunek-authors-on-rcsd
Dear Father John, Do the terms Imprimi Potest, Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur guarantee that some document, some prayer, etc, is approved by the Church and that we should follow it?
Do they guarantee there are no errors?
I've seen some of these designations on some questionable looking materials; so, I need to know.
It seems that these are not as strictly given as they used to be in the past.
Are they only as good as the approving authority?
In other words, if the approving authority, or staff, doesn't have strict guidelines on these things, could questionable things get by them?
Would you please explain these terms exactly?
Thank you.
“Imprimi Potest” is Latin for “it may be printed.”
This refers to the official permission a member of a religious orders receives to publish a work on a religious subject.
It implies that the religious superior approves the writing as worthy of publishing.
Members of religious orders have a vow of obedience, so they submit major written works to their superiors for approval as part of their vow.
“Imprimatur” is Latin for “let it be printed.”
This indicates the approval of a religious publication by a bishop.
According to canon law, the bishops have the duty and the right “to demand that writings to be published by the Christian faithful which touch upon faith or morals be submitted to their judgment and have the duty and right to condemn writings which harm correct faith or good morals.”
Canon 823
As a result, books that deal with faith and morals need to receive the Imprimatur.
Authors can seek this approval either from the bishop where they reside, or from the bishop where the publisher resides.
“Nihil obstat” is Latin for “nothing stands in the way.”
This is the stamp of approval given by an official censor to a publication having to do with faith and morals.
If a bishop himself doesn’t review a manuscript, then he will delegate a censor to do so.
The “nihil obstat” is the censor’s judgment that nothing in the work stands in the way of its being published.
So, in general, yes, having these approvals should assure the Catholic faithful that the content of the books will not cause harm to their faith.
Books or other writings approved in this way should not contradict the doctrines of our faith.
Nevertheless, many books that deal with issues of faith and morals also address issues besides simple doctrine.
Sometimes they will make recommendations or express opinions that even faithful Catholics can disagree on – the role of emotions in prayer, for example, or how best to prepare children for the sacrament of Confirmation.
An Imprimatur doesn’t indicate that these recommendations and opinions are infallible, or even that the bishop agrees with them.
It just indicates that the work as a whole is in full harmony with official Catholic doctrine regarding faith and morals.
I guess it is possible (at least in theory) that a religious superior, a censor, or a bishop could make an imprudent judgment about a particular work. One bishop, for example, may give his Imprimatur to a work that another bishop would not.
This is because there is always a variety of ways to express or explain our faith – different aspects to emphasize, different characteristics to highlight.
I imagine, however, that it would be very rare for a book with an Imprimatur to teach any doctrine that is actually contrary to our faith.
If you run into doubtful cases, you can always consult the Catechism or get another opinion from someone you trust. If you find that a book has wrongly, in your opinion, received an Imprimatur, you may want to write to the bishop and alert him, although I think this would be a rare occurrence.
I hope this has helped, at least a little bit.
God bless you! In Him, Fr. John
Rose42 wrote:
Idolatry. None of the verses quoted have anything to do with praying to dead people. Saints are believers.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Idolatry. None of the verses quoted have anything to do with praying to dead people. Saints are believers.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Dec 6, 2018 11:41:41 #
Doc110 wrote:
Now you think you know more than Pope's, Bishops, Priests, and Catholic Theologians with degrees.
You are consumed with Protestant hatred . . .
NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004
IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004
You are consumed with Protestant hatred . . .
NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004
IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004
Catholic doctrine is irrelevant to Christianity Doc. What matters is the word of God.
Muslims and Mormons can get degrees as well though their churches are also false.
The only thing I hate is Catholic doctrine. I don't hate Catholics.
Dec 6, 2018 11:44:30 #
Your protestant church is a religiously dead church.
Without the & Sacraments you are a hollow empty vessel, consumed with hate of Jesus Christ.
Without the & Sacraments you are a hollow empty vessel, consumed with hate of Jesus Christ.
Rose42 wrote:
Catholic doctrine is irrelevant to Christianity Doc. What matters is the word of God.
Muslims and Mormons can get degrees as well though their churches are also false.
The only thing I hate is Catholic doctrine. I don't hate Catholics.
Catholic doctrine is irrelevant to Christianity Doc. What matters is the word of God.
Muslims and Mormons can get degrees as well though their churches are also false.
The only thing I hate is Catholic doctrine. I don't hate Catholics.
Dec 6, 2018 11:48:13 #
All you are spouting is modern day Relativism.
Since you only spew forth hate of the Catholic Church, then you condemn the catholic Church,
ergo, . . . you hate Catholic Christians.
05/10/2017 The Mask of Moral Relativism
Edward Sri
http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-mask-of-moral-relativism
“So, Dr. Sri, do you think I’m a relativist?”
That was the odd question posed to me many years ago at a Catholic convention in the New York City area.
I had just finished giving a presentation on moral relativism when an energetic young man chased me down to ask his unusual personal question.
“Your talk got me wondering if maybe I’m a relativist. What do you think?”
“Well, I don’t really know you,” I replied.
“But you’re here at this Catholic conference.
Are you a practicing Catholic?”
“Yes, I’m Catholic,” he said. “I go to Mass, I go to Eucharistic adoration, and I love going to conferences like this one.”
“Good.
What about moral issues?
Let’s take a big one today — do you think abortion is wrong?”
“Oh yes, abortion is definitely wrong … for me.”
There were those two small words — “for me.”
They sent up a red flag in my mind.
“What do you mean by saying it’s wrong for you?
Don’t you think abortion is wrong for everyone?” I asked.
“Well, I’m against abortion,” he said. “But that’s my truth.
If someone else thinks abortion is okay, that’s their truth.
So, for them, it would be okay.”
His answer made one thing very clear, and I told him so:
“You are a relativist if you think that!”
We then debated whether the baby in the womb is a baby in reality or just in his own personal opinion.
But that did not get very far.
The young man kept saying that “for him” the baby was a human life, but for others it might not be.
So I tried a different approach.
We were at a conference center in Newark, New Jersey, standing in a grand hallway with large windows looking out across the Hudson River toward Manhattan.
It was only a couple of years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
I pointed out the window and asked him, “Are you really that much of a relativist?
Look out there!
Just a few years ago, there were two towers standing there in Lower Manhattan, and terrorists flew airplanes into those buildings.
Thousands of people died that day.
Are you willing to go up to the kids who lost a parent in the World Trade Center, look them in the eye and tell them that what the terrorists did was not wrong, because ‘for them’ they thought they were doing good?
Could you really do that?”
He was startled by this scenario and nervously said, “Wow … that’s very personal.
I lost friends in the towers that day.
Oh, wow. … That would be really hard ...”
He continued, talking about what a horrible day 9/11 was.
“It would be very difficult to do that. … But, if I had to be honest … yes, I’d have to tell those kids that, for the terrorists, what they did was not wrong.”
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.
I needed a big “Plan B.”
In dismay, I replied, “I don’t know what more I could say to you.
But you said you love Jesus in the Eucharist, and there’s a Eucharistic adoration chapel set up right here for our conference.
Would you be willing to go in front of Jesus in the Eucharist and prayerfully ask him what he thinks of your relativistic views?”
He agreed, cordially said goodnight and walked into the chapel to pray.
The next day, the young man tracked me down:
“Dr. Sri! Dr. Sri! ... I’m so glad I caught you before you left.
I wanted to tell you something.”
He caught his breath and slowed down his speech.
“I realized last night that I’m not really a relativist.
The only reason I’ve been trying to be one is that ...”
He paused and looked down at the ground before continuing.
“The only reason I’ve been trying to be a relativist is that I wanted to be able to say premarital sex is okay.”
Then he raised his head, looked me directly in the eye and said, “I wanted to be able to say premarital sex is okay for me.”
What an honest, humble young man!
I was so impressed by how he admitted to what was lurking behind his relativistic positions.
He had been trying to justify his own sexual behavior, and moral relativism was a convenient way to do so.
By denying that there was an actual ethical standard everyone had to follow, he was trying to ease his conscience and excuse himself for having premarital sex.
Fortunately, this young man had the humility to recognize this and went on to express his desire to live a more chaste life.
But not everyone has this humility.
That’s why we need to keep in mind a sixth key to engaging moral relativism:
Remember that relativism may be a mask covering up one’s own immoral behavior.
You may hear your friend talking about being nonjudgmental, being “pro-choice” or being open-minded to anyone’s definition of marriage.
But the real issue driving his relativism might be something in his own moral life with which he’s not comfortable.
It could be something from his past or something going on right now.
It could be what he did to his girlfriend in high school or how he’s treating his wife right now.
It could be disregard for his parents, marital infidelity, contraception or addiction to pornography.
When people are quick to say,
“You should be tolerant of other people’s lifestyles.
You shouldn’t tell other people what’s right and wrong,” realize they might really talking about themselves:
“Be tolerant of my little sin.
Don’t tell me what’s right and wrong.”
This recalls what Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger once taught about “the dictatorship of relativism.”
“Today,” he said, “we are building a dictatorship of relativism … whose ultimate goal consists solely of one’s own ego and desires.”
According to the future Pope Benedict XVI, the primary dictator in the relativistic outlook is one’s own selfish desires.
As such, relativism often serves as a mask to cover up one’s selfishness or rationalize a particular sin.
That’s why merely arguing with those with this mindset usually doesn’t work.
Pray for them.
Make sacrifices for them.
Offer your Communion for them.
Remember:
It’s not just an intellectual battle, but also a spiritual one.
Edward Sri is professor of theology at the Augustine Institute.
This article is based on his latest book and video study program,
Who Am I to Judge?:
Responding to Relativism With Logic and Love.
(Ignatius Press).
Read: Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. and Part 7. The importance of taking on the heart of christ when recognizing someone's faults
Read: Parts
1. Understand relativism with mercy
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/understand-relativism-with-mercy
2. With relativism there is no right or wrong
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/with-relativism-there-is-no-right-or-wrong
3. Moral law equals authentic love
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/moral-law-equals-authentic-love
4. Don't judge how to respond when your relativistic friend quotes Jesus
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/dont-judge-how-to-respond-when-your-relativistic-friend-quotes-jesus
5. Relativism's not neutral, the intolerance of tolerance
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/relativisms-not-neutral-the-intolerance-of-tolerance
6. The mask of moral relativism
http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-mask-of-moral-relativism
7. The importance of taking on the heart of christ when recognizing someone's faults
Since you only spew forth hate of the Catholic Church, then you condemn the catholic Church,
ergo, . . . you hate Catholic Christians.
05/10/2017 The Mask of Moral Relativism
Edward Sri
http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-mask-of-moral-relativism
“So, Dr. Sri, do you think I’m a relativist?”
That was the odd question posed to me many years ago at a Catholic convention in the New York City area.
I had just finished giving a presentation on moral relativism when an energetic young man chased me down to ask his unusual personal question.
“Your talk got me wondering if maybe I’m a relativist. What do you think?”
“Well, I don’t really know you,” I replied.
“But you’re here at this Catholic conference.
Are you a practicing Catholic?”
“Yes, I’m Catholic,” he said. “I go to Mass, I go to Eucharistic adoration, and I love going to conferences like this one.”
“Good.
What about moral issues?
Let’s take a big one today — do you think abortion is wrong?”
“Oh yes, abortion is definitely wrong … for me.”
There were those two small words — “for me.”
They sent up a red flag in my mind.
“What do you mean by saying it’s wrong for you?
Don’t you think abortion is wrong for everyone?” I asked.
“Well, I’m against abortion,” he said. “But that’s my truth.
If someone else thinks abortion is okay, that’s their truth.
So, for them, it would be okay.”
His answer made one thing very clear, and I told him so:
“You are a relativist if you think that!”
We then debated whether the baby in the womb is a baby in reality or just in his own personal opinion.
But that did not get very far.
The young man kept saying that “for him” the baby was a human life, but for others it might not be.
So I tried a different approach.
We were at a conference center in Newark, New Jersey, standing in a grand hallway with large windows looking out across the Hudson River toward Manhattan.
It was only a couple of years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
I pointed out the window and asked him, “Are you really that much of a relativist?
Look out there!
Just a few years ago, there were two towers standing there in Lower Manhattan, and terrorists flew airplanes into those buildings.
Thousands of people died that day.
Are you willing to go up to the kids who lost a parent in the World Trade Center, look them in the eye and tell them that what the terrorists did was not wrong, because ‘for them’ they thought they were doing good?
Could you really do that?”
He was startled by this scenario and nervously said, “Wow … that’s very personal.
I lost friends in the towers that day.
Oh, wow. … That would be really hard ...”
He continued, talking about what a horrible day 9/11 was.
“It would be very difficult to do that. … But, if I had to be honest … yes, I’d have to tell those kids that, for the terrorists, what they did was not wrong.”
I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.
I needed a big “Plan B.”
In dismay, I replied, “I don’t know what more I could say to you.
But you said you love Jesus in the Eucharist, and there’s a Eucharistic adoration chapel set up right here for our conference.
Would you be willing to go in front of Jesus in the Eucharist and prayerfully ask him what he thinks of your relativistic views?”
He agreed, cordially said goodnight and walked into the chapel to pray.
The next day, the young man tracked me down:
“Dr. Sri! Dr. Sri! ... I’m so glad I caught you before you left.
I wanted to tell you something.”
He caught his breath and slowed down his speech.
“I realized last night that I’m not really a relativist.
The only reason I’ve been trying to be one is that ...”
He paused and looked down at the ground before continuing.
“The only reason I’ve been trying to be a relativist is that I wanted to be able to say premarital sex is okay.”
Then he raised his head, looked me directly in the eye and said, “I wanted to be able to say premarital sex is okay for me.”
What an honest, humble young man!
I was so impressed by how he admitted to what was lurking behind his relativistic positions.
He had been trying to justify his own sexual behavior, and moral relativism was a convenient way to do so.
By denying that there was an actual ethical standard everyone had to follow, he was trying to ease his conscience and excuse himself for having premarital sex.
Fortunately, this young man had the humility to recognize this and went on to express his desire to live a more chaste life.
But not everyone has this humility.
That’s why we need to keep in mind a sixth key to engaging moral relativism:
Remember that relativism may be a mask covering up one’s own immoral behavior.
You may hear your friend talking about being nonjudgmental, being “pro-choice” or being open-minded to anyone’s definition of marriage.
But the real issue driving his relativism might be something in his own moral life with which he’s not comfortable.
It could be something from his past or something going on right now.
It could be what he did to his girlfriend in high school or how he’s treating his wife right now.
It could be disregard for his parents, marital infidelity, contraception or addiction to pornography.
When people are quick to say,
“You should be tolerant of other people’s lifestyles.
You shouldn’t tell other people what’s right and wrong,” realize they might really talking about themselves:
“Be tolerant of my little sin.
Don’t tell me what’s right and wrong.”
This recalls what Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger once taught about “the dictatorship of relativism.”
“Today,” he said, “we are building a dictatorship of relativism … whose ultimate goal consists solely of one’s own ego and desires.”
According to the future Pope Benedict XVI, the primary dictator in the relativistic outlook is one’s own selfish desires.
As such, relativism often serves as a mask to cover up one’s selfishness or rationalize a particular sin.
That’s why merely arguing with those with this mindset usually doesn’t work.
Pray for them.
Make sacrifices for them.
Offer your Communion for them.
Remember:
It’s not just an intellectual battle, but also a spiritual one.
Edward Sri is professor of theology at the Augustine Institute.
This article is based on his latest book and video study program,
Who Am I to Judge?:
Responding to Relativism With Logic and Love.
(Ignatius Press).
Read: Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. and Part 7. The importance of taking on the heart of christ when recognizing someone's faults
Read: Parts
1. Understand relativism with mercy
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/understand-relativism-with-mercy
2. With relativism there is no right or wrong
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/with-relativism-there-is-no-right-or-wrong
3. Moral law equals authentic love
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/moral-law-equals-authentic-love
4. Don't judge how to respond when your relativistic friend quotes Jesus
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/dont-judge-how-to-respond-when-your-relativistic-friend-quotes-jesus
5. Relativism's not neutral, the intolerance of tolerance
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/relativisms-not-neutral-the-intolerance-of-tolerance
6. The mask of moral relativism
http://m.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-mask-of-moral-relativism
7. The importance of taking on the heart of christ when recognizing someone's faults
Rose42 wrote:
Catholic doctrine is irrelevant to Christianity Doc. What matters is the word of God.
Muslims and Mormons can get degrees as well though their churches are also false.
The only thing I hate is Catholic doctrine. I don't hate Catholics.
Muslims and Mormons can get degrees as well though their churches are also false.
The only thing I hate is Catholic doctrine. I don't hate Catholics.
Dec 6, 2018 11:56:34 #
Doc110 wrote:
All you are spouting is modern day Relativism.
You should learn what relativism means because you're not using it correctly.
Quote:
Since you only spew forth hate of the Catholic Church, then you condemn the catholic Church,
ergo, . . . you hate Catholic Christians.
ergo, . . . you hate Catholic Christians.
That's a straw man Doc. I absolutely without question condemn Catholic doctrine and its false claim that its Christian. That doesn't mean I hate Catholics. I don't. You should be able to understand the difference.
Dec 6, 2018 12:01:17 #
Rose42 wrote:
Idolatry. None of the verses quoted have anything to do with praying to dead people. Saints are believers.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Amen and Amen very well stated there Rose42 thanks for the rebuttal the Roman Catholic Church reads like a fairy tale it is all made up of fables from the upper echelon of the Roman Catholic Church all lies to confuse the parishioners. It is not found in the bible and is therefore false teaching.
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