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Jul 20, 2018 14:50:33   #
Richard Rowland
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I believe it is wrong to attack any one in any way for their political beliefs. I have seen a lot of right wing posters saying things like "open season on Liberals" I know that in the cities right wing protesters and left wing protesters sometimes have violent clashes. The whole situation sucks. I do wish that mutual respect would come back. Here on OPP I have seen a lot of left wingers denigrated and made fun of much more so than right wingers but then this is a predominate right wing site. Myself I have made some good friends here and hope to remain so.
I believe it is wrong to attack any one in any way... (show quote)


It seems, Tom that rather than attempt to unite, driving wedges seem to be the preferred norm. If you have somehow managed to miss the dust-up between Judge Jeannie Pirro and Whoopi Goldberg, as an example of which I speak, well, that's the norm we're seeing in the country. I'm undecided, has TV programmers discovered that this type of fare sells best, or are other things at work.

One would assume that it would be for the benefit of the country to have the citizenry united and that it would be as easy to promote unity as it is division. It does appear that we humans have an appetite for controversy and limited, at this point, anyway, brutality and violence. If we aren't watching and listening to programs where talking heads are hurling verbal bombs at one another, then perhaps we're watching sports to get our fix. Hockey comes to mind.

In any event, the hostility dwelling in, and coming from all political persuasions, that has taken over the nation, is not going to end well. Measures need to be taken to defuse much of this nonsense. The leadership of both parties should be at the front of measures to bring civility back into the conversation.

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Jul 20, 2018 14:56:55   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
proud republican wrote:
Thats great ...for you Tom...You are not the one who is being attack for your opinion....But for us on the right,having our own opinions means being yelled at, beaten up, attacked,thrown out of restaurants and worse ...being k**led...Our property being destroyed......So there you go,Tom...You can speak your opinion, unfortunately for us ..we cant!!!..Doesnt mean though im going to stop supporting our President!!!


IT IS NOT THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT THAT IS WRONG IT IS THE RIGHT AND LEFT NEWS THAT IS BAD AND OUR POTUS FOR ADD OIL TO THE FIRE CALLING IT F**E NEWS WHEN HE DOESNT LIKE IT ONLY TALKING TO FOX NEWS IS JUST D********G

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Jul 20, 2018 16:12:52   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
jimpack123 wrote:
IT IS NOT THE RIGHT OR THE LEFT THAT IS WRONG IT IS THE RIGHT AND LEFT NEWS THAT IS BAD AND OUR POTUS FOR ADD OIL TO THE FIRE CALLING IT F**E NEWS WHEN HE DOESNT LIKE IT ONLY TALKING TO FOX NEWS IS JUST D********G
JP, I know that Fox leans conservative and pro-President Trump (not completely) - but unless you're reading/watching, but not comprehending, what many call the Main Stream Media (MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NY Times, Washington Post, Time, etc.) you must agree that they are anti-Trump (and anti-Trump supporters) about 90% of the time. There is minimal coverage of things he's done that have benefited our country and wall-to-wall coverage of anything he says or does that they don't like. Whether you like it or not, the media has decided that activism is more important than reporting. And we all suffer as a result.

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Jul 20, 2018 16:19:57   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
JP, I know that Fox leans conservative and pro-President Trump (not completely) - but unless you're reading/watching, but not comprehending, what many call the Main Stream Media (MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NY Times, Washington Post, Time, etc.) you must agree that they are anti-Trump (and anti-Trump supporters) about 90% of the time. There is minimal coverage of things he's done that have benefited our country and wall-to-wall coverage of anything he says or does that they don't like. Whether you like it or not, the media has decided that activism is more important than reporting. And we all suffer as a result.
JP, I know that Fox leans conservative and pro-Pre... (show quote)


agreed but Fox news is pro Trump 99 % especially on the radio and Trumps brings most on all by himself with stupid childish tweets he is his own worst enemy

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Jul 20, 2018 16:38:29   #
Carol Kelly
 
JW wrote:
… but that doesn't mean anyone else has to take it seriously (and that includes mine but here it is anyway).

I have never seen such an aggregation of intellectual lepers in my life as is today to be found on the Left of the political spectrum. The vast majority of you on that side of the aisle have no idea what you are posting about here or representing in Washington, D.C. You have no background in history or the political policies you support or oppose. You are hypocrites of the first order; screaming denunciations of President Trump while utterly ignorant of the very same, or worse, having occurred on your own side.

You call Trump a t*****r for meeting with Putin and you applaud Hillary for her Russian reset.

You accuse Trump of collusion with Russia and you ignore the fact that the infamous "Trump dossier", paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC, was compiled by a foreigner using Russian sources.

You claim Trump's performance in Helsinki was the greatest embarrassment the US has ever been put to while ignoring the Obama apology tour with its several photos of then President of the United states, Barack Obama, executing the serf's obeisance before the Saudi Royalty and the Emperor of Japan.

Your press touts the many ways Trump might offend the Queen of England but said nothing about the Obama state gift to the queen of a bunch of music CDs and a few of his recorded speeches.

Frankly what I see happening in this once great and noble country makes me sick to the core of my spirit. I see no way to reconcile with the Left and worse, I no longer see any point in it.
… but that doesn't mean anyone else has to take it... (show quote)


You said it, JW, and I agree with every single word. It’s making me sick. All the info to hang people is out there
via Hannity and Tucker and nothing is being done. The Russia investigation has totally ignored all of Hillary’s
collusion. Yet, innocent people are having their reputations shredded. PAUL Manafort is no angel, I’m certain, but does he deserve to be sitting in solitary confinement? It reminds me of Russia. You don’t walk the walk and talk the talk, to jail you go or @ mental institution or Siberia. What are we thinking?

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Jul 20, 2018 16:40:27   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
jimpack123 wrote:
agreed but Fox news is pro Trump 99 % especially on the radio and Trumps brings most on all by himself with stupid childish tweets he is his own worst enemy
Not quite 99%. Shepard Smith, Juan Williams and others are there for counterpoint - lets say 80%. And as far as the tweets go, I can't disagree. But I respect that he is our President and I want him to succeed. And because it appears he's not a g*******t - and he's certainly not a socialist, I believe in the long run he will make my life and the lives of many others better. Just my humble opinion.

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Jul 20, 2018 16:40:50   #
Carol Kelly
 
jimpack123 wrote:
agreed but Fox news is pro Trump 99 % especially on the radio and Trumps brings most on all by himself with stupid childish tweets he is his own worst enemy


He tweets to stay in touch with the American people. No speech writers or prompter available.

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Jul 20, 2018 16:41:08   #
Carol Kelly
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
Not quite 99%. Shepard Smith, Juan Williams and others are there for counterpoint - lets say 80%. And as far as the tweets go, I can't disagree. But I respect that he is our President and I want him to succeed. And because it appears he's not a g*******t - and he's certainly not a socialist, I believe in the long run he will make my life and the lives of many others better. Just my humble opinion.


Amen and ditto.

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Jul 20, 2018 16:59:05   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
You said it, JW, and I agree with every single word. It’s making me sick. All the info to hang people is out there
via Hannity and Tucker and nothing is being done. The Russia investigation has totally ignored all of Hillary’s
collusion. Yet, innocent people are having their reputations shredded. PAUL Manafort is no angel, I’m certain, but does he deserve to be sitting in solitary confinement? It reminds me of Russia. You don’t walk the walk and talk the talk, to jail you go or @ mental institution or Siberia. What are we thinking?
You said it, JW, and I agree with every single wor... (show quote)


Manafort is in jail for attempted witness tampering his own fault he figured Trump would have pardoned him by now But the way its going Pence will be doing the pardoning

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Jul 20, 2018 19:51:46   #
maryjane
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Tom,

When did William Felix Browder become an American diplomat? As far as I know, he was born American but renounced his citizenship and was instrumental in he passage of the Magnitsky Act which wiped out many of Russia's small and medium-sized businesses. There is a move by the UN to pass this act in all UN states. Basically it allows the bank account and properties of Russians to be seized if there is evidence that they or their company was/is involved in human rights violations.

President Putin has not asked for anyone to extradited to Russia for interrogation. And he did not say he would force the "dirty 12" Mueller has indicted to be extradited to the US. But a quid pro qo, allowing questioning of the "dirty 12" in Russia in exchange for questioning Browder in his property in the US ..... or in his other property in the UK which would require the UK to agree. Browder has many properties around the world, it could take years for him to return to his property in the US. I can understand Russia's need to find out how $1.5 billion (in US currency) disappeared into Browder's accounts and how he got his hands on that money.

If we truly want to get to the bottom of our e******n i**********e and prosecute those responsible, we are going to need other countries to cooperate. This is not something that can be done in a vacuum. BTW, we have agreements with most other nations which allow this type of cooperation. If say the UK has a person of interest in the US, they can send their envoy to the US to question that individual. Same with Spain, Germany, Italy, Japan........... it seems the only nation we do not have such an agreement with is Russia, although we did sign an agreement in 1999 to allow such cooperation. We have not allowed such questioning and in return, Russia has not allowed it.
Tom, br br When did William Felix Browder become ... (show quote)


There has been quite a hullabaloo about the Russians and the last e******n. And we are constantly hearing about China constantly stealing technology and ideas from us. What I want to know is what, if anything, is any state doing about protecting v****g technology from being hacked or otherwise being interfered with?? What are the military and all government agencies doing to prevent access to their files, secrets, etc? What about our infrastructure like electric grids and plants? Technology has taken over almost every aspect of our lives. Where once upon a time, thieves stole mail from your mailbox, went through an embassy's trash, bribed an employee to get specific technology plans, now all they need is an excellent hacker. If I were head of the military, the FIB, a bank, etc, I would be very concerned about this. Can anything stored in any computer really be safe when there always seems to be a talented hacker out there that can find a way into any computer?? What do you folks here on OPP predict for the future in this area?

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Jul 20, 2018 20:44:04   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
MaryJane,

Good question. The v****g booths are not networked, meaning they do not connect to the Internet in any way. This prevents them from being hacked from an outside source. The only way a booth could be tampered with is inside the building where it is plugged in. Meaning, the supervisor could tamper with a machine or a v**er, if possessing the proper software and a key to the machine (actually on some, only a paper-clip is necessary). The other way is corruption of the individual machine's software. In both cases, only one machine would be affected. This makes manipulation of the actual v**es almost impossible. But, v***r f***d goes beyond casting the b****t. Let me explain. If the v****g oversight is not well trained and check the identification of the v**er or check the names against their v**er eligibility printout, then an ineligible individual could, and often do, cast v**es. If the state has not tied their records into the corner's records or Social Security, a dead person's credentials could be used and therefor an illegal v**e. I think you can follow this on down the rabbit hole.

Now, to address the supposed Russian hacking. What they are being accused of doing is two fold. 1. They are accused of gaining access to the DNC's computers and downloading their mail and making it public. And 2. They are accused of buying ad space on social media (specifically Facebook) and making false or misleading statements. The Russians are blamed because the FBI has tracked Gluficer 2.0 to an office building in Moscow. But, the FBI has never had access to DNC's computer or the software used during the supposed hack. To make matters worse, those computers have either been destroyed or have been completely wiped clean and that is according to the DNC and unverifiable.

Now then what is the WH, military and so on doing to ensure security in v****g. Basically nothing nor can they do much. The computers used by a campaign office is the responsibility of that system administrator. That individual is responsible for installing and managing firewalls and security. They are the oversight, any leaks or hacking intrusion is their failure.

Military computers have tight restrictions on the use of Ports and Protocols, meaning there is a narrow ban width used to t***sfer and archive data. There are also applications that are approved for military computers and any unauthorized software is automatically blocked and can not be downloaded and therefore used on those systems. Classified information is only housed on the SIPERNET, only available inside the work space. You can get access to the SIPERNET from outside, but it requires verification that the intended system will only be connected to the SIPERNET and you have to have log on credentials. They are almost impenetrable if the DOD PPSMs (Ports, Protocol, and Management Services) restrictions are applied and maintained. This is a lite offering of the protections, and I have omitted many details. Of course it only takes one individual sending a classified file to an unprotected server as an attachment to an email to circumvent all the firewalls or port requirements. (Personal emails are permitted in all government offices). This is why Clinton's server was such an issue.... it was a public domain server, open to the public and she maintained plus t***smitted classified information on the unsecured servers.

Bottom line, your v**e when cast is almost untamperable. The government can impose rules on social media preventing them from selling ad space to individuals residing in other countries. And basically that is all the government can do. Banks are, with regret, vulnerable to hacking as is your medical records, DMV, and your school records. It happens more than you want to know. The "bad actors" into these types of records have typically been China, North Korea, and the Ukraine. Keep in mind, the government can not do anything about a poorly trained systems administrator.

I hope this addressed your concerns.


maryjane wrote:
There has been quite a hullabaloo about the Russians and the last e******n. And we are constantly hearing about China constantly stealing technology and ideas from us. What I want to know is what, if anything, is any state doing about protecting v****g technology from being hacked or otherwise being interfered with?? What are the military and all government agencies doing to prevent access to their files, secrets, etc? What about our infrastructure like electric grids and plants? Technology has taken over almost every aspect of our lives. Where once upon a time, thieves stole mail from your mailbox, went through an embassy's trash, bribed an employee to get specific technology plans, now all they need is an excellent hacker. If I were head of the military, the FIB, a bank, etc, I would be very concerned about this. Can anything stored in any computer really be safe when there always seems to be a talented hacker out there that can find a way into any computer?? What do you folks here on OPP predict for the future in this area?
There has been quite a hullabaloo about the Russia... (show quote)

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Jul 20, 2018 21:24:22   #
Fit2BTied Loc: Texas
 
Pennylynn wrote:
The other way is corruption of the individual machine's software.
Well done Pennylynn.
The only comment I'd make is that there is currently a battle over who controls the software used by the different states in their v****g machines, and I've read a number of stories (especially during 2016) that indicated that George Soros connected groups either own or have huge influence over the software used in a number of states. Years before that I read that the Bush family had a lot of control in this area and there are claims that they may have swung some local and statewide outcomes. I'd think that if we're going to use electronic v****g, there must be independent, apolitical control over the machines and the software. Incubate that area and clean up the v**er records. It's too important to allow either side to steal an e******n - even for dogcatcher.

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Jul 20, 2018 21:45:01   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Pennylynn wrote:
No.... he would allow Mueller and his team to go to Russia and have unfettered access to those Mueller and team wish to interrogate. Plus, anyone (in particular Bowner) they would question would be in the US. But, this is now a mute point as the FBI has flatly said no.

Define meddling? Would that include any business in any country who buy ad space in the news or social media or donate to a candidate? Would it be meddling if the FBI funded or worked with social media or the news outlets to hush anti-Muslim ads aimed at swing v**ers? I do not know the answer to this, but were there any ad that you know of that was funded by other nations to support any candidate, other than Russia? For example, The kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Ukrainian president, Lebanese-Nigerian developers? Would that qualify as meddling? Just asking. And if you think that any of these qualify, then why are they not being investigated?

Now, go back to ignoring me, most "progressives" ignore me.....
No.... he would allow Mueller and his team to go t... (show quote)
Thanks for your reply and your comment "now go back to ignoring me " It made me smile. Can't t***hfully answer your questions on meddling but I do respect you as an intelligent person.

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Jul 20, 2018 21:47:34   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
It seems, Tom that rather than attempt to unite, driving wedges seem to be the preferred norm. If you have somehow managed to miss the dust-up between Judge Jeannie Pirro and Whoopi Goldberg, as an example of which I speak, well, that's the norm we're seeing in the country. I'm undecided, has TV programmers discovered that this type of fare sells best, or are other things at work.

One would assume that it would be for the benefit of the country to have the citizenry united and that it would be as easy to promote unity as it is division. It does appear that we humans have an appetite for controversy and limited, at this point, anyway, brutality and violence. If we aren't watching and listening to programs where talking heads are hurling verbal bombs at one another, then perhaps we're watching sports to get our fix. Hockey comes to mind.

In any event, the hostility dwelling in, and coming from all political persuasions, that has taken over the nation, is not going to end well. Measures need to be taken to defuse much of this nonsense. The leadership of both parties should be at the front of measures to bring civility back into the conversation.
It seems, Tom that rather than attempt to unite, d... (show quote)

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Jul 20, 2018 21:49:01   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
It seems, Tom that rather than attempt to unite, driving wedges seem to be the preferred norm. If you have somehow managed to miss the dust-up between Judge Jeannie Pirro and Whoopi Goldberg, as an example of which I speak, well, that's the norm we're seeing in the country. I'm undecided, has TV programmers discovered that this type of fare sells best, or are other things at work.

One would assume that it would be for the benefit of the country to have the citizenry united and that it would be as easy to promote unity as it is division. It does appear that we humans have an appetite for controversy and limited, at this point, anyway, brutality and violence. If we aren't watching and listening to programs where talking heads are hurling verbal bombs at one another, then perhaps we're watching sports to get our fix. Hockey comes to mind.

In any event, the hostility dwelling in, and coming from all political persuasions, that has taken over the nation, is not going to end well. Measures need to be taken to defuse much of this nonsense. The leadership of both parties should be at the front of measures to bring civility back into the conversation.
It seems, Tom that rather than attempt to unite, d... (show quote)


I totally agree

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