Art

poppabear,

Hi, I wonder if you read how many of us agreed name calling really doesn't really get your point across, it's just a distraction? You know I think lpnmajr is right, because I really didn't get the meaning of your post.

stan3186

none of the people you mentioned are in Congress. They do have outside influence but are not the ones to be met with. Obama, Dem. Senators, Dem. House members need to meet and negotiate with the Republicans of Congress and be willing to negotiate and compromise in order to get things done that are in the best interest of the country. That is how it is supposed to work. The problem is each has their own agenda and the way things are done in Government today is he who has the majority rules and their is no consideration of the people they are supposed to represent. It seems that Congress and the President are at odds with one another and they will not agree on anything. If the Liberals say the sky is gray the Republicans will say it is shades of purple. Neither one is right but they will be damned if they are going to agree it is probably blue. It is ridiculous to think that adults that a supposedly some of the brightest people in the country are like little children fighting over total BS and everything is "my way or the highway". Both sides are like this and it needs to change.

I'm not saying that I have all the answers, but I bet we could take 10 people from this forum and agree on enough to straighten out most of the problems with this country. There are a lot of people on this forum that have very different ideas of what needs to get done, and truly don't like each other, but reasonable people can reach compromise and actually accomplish something. The problem with Congress is there are very few reasonable people that are in government power. Only greedy people who want to control others.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Yes the country is divided.

It is us & them.

We just need to be clearer on who is who.

One way to put is about control, Those in & those not in control.

To have or not have wealth.

To truly be a part of the system or just be.

But for some reason we the average people seem to be divided for reasons that have nothing to do with how much a like we are.

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

And to have 2 or 3 parties is the way to get nothing done ! We basically have a 2 party system now , but because of 1 party controlling the most powerful 2 parts of government the other party can't function usefully. And even if 1 party controlled the House and Senate , the president is going to make his own laws and rules because he bypasses the Constitution which he swore to uphold !

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Yes we are divided ! The ones who can only see something for free and those who have to work for a living !
I would like to see posters occupation , or how they are getting by , but I doubt that would t***hfully happen !

stan3186

I for one don't mind. I'm retired now as far as actively working. I owned a business for many years which closed iin 2000. Did very well for myself. have worked at some internet stuff with limited success. Living comfortably on savings and Soc Sec working and diddling in some internet businesses with high hopes. I'm very conservative and believe in the Libertarian platform.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

If one party controlled both halves of congress those a--holes would have been gone by now, there has been more than sufficient reason for them to be gone but the senate has too many c*******t and democrat useful i***ts

Art

I’ll share some as I would not mind understanding where you put me in your divide of free loaders and those who have to work.

I don’t feel like I have to work for a living. I choose to work because it brings a sense of purpose and accomplishment. From my perspective, both political parties locally and nationally have evolved as I have and so there have been times in my life I have v**ed Republican or Democrat.

I draw from my government social security retirement and have Medicare as my main health Insurance provider. I still work, contracting out my expertise that has come from a few careers and years of working experience. Except for my time in the military, I have not been employed by the government. Finally, my family has built a business that I was involved with since I was a teen. Our business has taken a beating as of late, due to legal issues , however I still draw an income from it.

I lease a condo now, however I could live in one of the homes our families owns and rents to tenants, once our legal issues are resolved.

I do not consider myself rich, and choose to live frugally and I am not in debt. Due to my success with social security and the loss I took with my private retirement plans, I am grateful that I have a government retirement plan, Social Security. Taxes are a fact of life but not a big deal with our day to day business , but if we were to sell what we have (apartments, condos, houses), half would go to the government in taxes. For now, it makes sense to hold on to what we have even though at times it is difficult to manage.

So I ask, in your opinion, right now, what political party would best serve me in making a living and why?

poppabear42

stan;
Compromise is a wonderful thing to do, and should be done on issues of importance to the people.
But, when you know that the very people that you are supposed to negotiate, or compromise with, have even before you've even made your first footstep into the white house, as president, have already declared that their main objective is to be totally disruptive to anything you will propose.
One republican leader declares that his main objective, is to make you a one term president.
Another leader declares that he hopes he fails at everything he does as president.
There was the one republican that calls you a liar, on National television.
I've already mentioned the other republican leader that declared, that he does not believe in compromise, and there is no way that he would even consider doing so.
And he proves his point by walking out of a very important meeting with the president.
Then there's the republican that stated that he couldn't even stand the sight of you.
The republican that walked out of your state of the union address.
A republican that disrespectfully shut down the government, to make you look like you are dumb.
The republican that has tried in every conceivable way that he could, to find fault with everything that comes up, from the way you comb your hair, to the way you carry out the garbage.
Even these things, still did not stop him from trying to find a way to really negotiate with any of the people mentioned above.
He tried everything from a game of basketball, golf, even lunches, dinners, exclusive meetings to discuss issues, and he even pissed off people in his own party, to try to create some form of communication, and dialog with these people.
All of this talk about him not trying to communicate with republicans, any republican, is a joke that should go exactly where all the other crap has ended up.
And one last thought, when so called leaders of the Republican party, stand for this mans life to be threatened, among all of the other disrespectful rhetoric, and actions. there is no way republicans can be trusted anyway.
That is why he has taken it upon himself to do what has to be done for the people of the United States of America.
Now he is accused of being a dictator, a God, and once again, any disrespectful name that can be thought of.
To me the last straw is when they don't chastise people like Rush Limbaugh, for disrespecting his wife, and his children, that is about as low as it gets.
So, if you can find a republican, that is man, or woman enough to do their job, I'll bet you things will get done, and without the cheap threats, and worthless dialog.
This man is a human being, as is his entire family, and he has dev**ed his life to try to make things better, especially for the poor, and the middle class, and if for no other reason, he, and especially his family, should be totally respected.
So maybe talking among yourselves, about real issues, instead of trying to be cute, by talking about how a person writes, or expresses themselves, you should pay attention to the facts, then do something worthwhile.

Art

Nothing you can do about the name calling and I think President Obama has been pretty thick skin about it. I respect your desire to protect the Presidency, but I think he is holding his own against the name callers.

I have not seen the argument brought up here, so I'll bring it up. Should we consider that President Obama is acting as a strong president, not a dictator, because he has too?

Republicans are fighting with the Tea Party, Republicans are fighting with Democrats and normal business of government has come to a halt and almost put us into default.

Perhaps history will judge that his executive actions and political posturing kept our country viable and functioning. If our President has politically manipulated the opposing Party, isn't it time that Republicans get smart and start working together rather than blame the President for their division?

Loki Loc: Georgia

First, Democrats bear at least as much responsibility as Republicans for a government shutdown, and the government employees got paid anyway, the difference being they got paid to stay home and not work, as opposed to going to work and not working. By the way, I don't suppose your selective memory recalls that the Democrats under Tip O'Neill had shut down the government nine times by this far into Reagan's second term.
Your statement that Republicans vowed to make Obama a one term president is somewhat amusing: I guess that means that the Democrats always try to insure a second term for a Republican president.


You seem to forget the abuse that is heaped on every Republican president since Nixon, who actually deserved it. I suppose that doesn't count.

The only people Obama has dev**ed his life to making more comfortable is Obama. Two years ago, the British spent 54 million dollars on the entire Royal family. That was the year we spent 1.4 billion on the Obama dynasty.

He talks about income ine******y, and how the rich don't pay their fair share while his daughters vacation in Mexico, the Bahamas, and Sun Valley, and his wife sunbathes in Spain on several million dollars of taxpayer money. Drought stricken California has to use millions of gallons of water to irrigate a golf course so the Mr. Modesty can tee one up. He pays his dog walker $103,00 per year. He submits two budgets to Congress that his own party won't pass, including one that every single Democrat v**ed against. He has racked up more debt than all the other presidents combined, and blamed it all on someone else. He's a real winner.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

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poppabear42

mac;
When a party can shut down the government, and cost taxpayers approx. twenty five billion dollars, and actually get away without even one reprimand, or any kind of punishment, I think that they are the party with the power.
But even though that party has that much power, it does not mean they are the right party for the job they were elected to do.
The danger of that much power being at the disposal of this one party, is a very serious mistake, especially when this party can't think , or make an intelligent decision on their own, and find themselves trusting that power to the first person that comes along with enough money to buy e******ns to keep that party in power, to protect their own agenda, whether that agenda is in the best agenda for the people or not.
Or to groups of people that have their own agenda, whether it is the right agenda for anyone else, or not.
This is a scary, and very dangerous position to place the citizens of the United States in, and it really is not being fair to these people.
Because the people with the agendas weren't elected to do this party's job.
Anybody with an ounce of brain, must realize, that the cost of this party letting others do the job they were elected to do, puts not only themselves, and every other citizen of the United States, at the mercy of people that have only their own satisfaction, and agendas in their hearts, and it has not one thing to do with, for the people, and by the people, only themselves.
If we don't get rid of the party of no, we are in for one helluva hard time.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Like the Democrat controlled Senate, which failed to pass a budget for three years, the longest time in this country's history? They are obligated by law to pass a budget every year. Obama submitted his budget to the Democrat controlled Senate, and every single Democrat Senator v**ed against it. Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader, spoke eloquently in defense of the filibuster when he was minority leader. The same filibuster he v**ed to squash once he had the majority. He has filled the amendment tree, k*****g all debate and amendments, more than twice as many times as all the Majority leaders since the mid 80s, when this parlimentary artifice was first used. In five years, He has used it more than twice as much as Democrat and Republican Speakers combined in the past 25 before he became Majority Leader. Under this Administration, private sector unemployment has remained higher than any time since the Great Depression, and a short period after WWII. Government jobs have, however, exploded. In spite of claims to have deported more i******s than the previous Administration, (a lie), our illegal population keeps growing. the unemployment figures are doctored with creative bookkeeping. Got your hours cut from full to part time? You are counted as full time employed. Get a disability check? You got a job. Your unemployment run out? You're working, according to Obama. Did you for any reason become ineligible for unemployment? You are counted as employed. Never received unemployment in the first place? You were never unemployed. All this, and 7.6% is STILL the best they can do? Oh yeah, the new jobs created? According to the US Bureau of Statistics, as of September 2013, 77% were part time, mostly of the want fries with that variety. Most of the few remaining full time jobs were either minimum wage or slightly above. You call the Republicans the party of no? What are the Democrats? The party of clueless?

Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana

Agree , and the House has enough to stop consensus in the house .