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Apr 10, 2014 18:15:19   #
Tasine wrote:
Floyd, that is the most beautiful invitation I have ever read or heard.
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Thank you so much. I think it is important for us to listen to others for common ground.

It is not about our changing any ones mind on issues but listen to what others have to say. It is not to look for areas to disagree but to comment on areas that we agree with.

We just let others see what we have to say & perhaps they may be areas they can agree with.
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Apr 9, 2014 17:47:30   #
Patty wrote:
All the way to the rice line.

:thumbup: Uncle Jesse says this doesn't matter so we can all relax now.
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I have respect for what Uncle Jesse has to say. But I don't know what issue you are talking about.
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Apr 9, 2014 17:36:35   #
Searching wrote:
Loyalty is an admirable trait to be sure. However, my question to you is "would you be willing to reach across the aisle" if that's what it took to make this country whole again? We seem to have been fighting for such a long time. Do you personally see that it has gotten us anywhere, other than to dig the divide between us deeper and more foul?


I will not reach across the aisle. But I will meet you in the middle of the aisle. I don't need the safety of my camp & you must show me that you don't need the safety of you camp.

Then you & I will set a path together with any that wish to join us never to return to the old ways.

But of course we both have done & will do good things & we will bring the best of what each has to offer.

But sadly you are going to leave us at the moment of our great adventure.
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Apr 9, 2014 10:13:25   #
Snoopy wrote:
Floyd

My crowd stands together.

We will fight as long as necessary!

Snoopy


I would guess that I need to ask just who you are going to fight against?
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Apr 9, 2014 10:10:58   #
Patty wrote:
Washington is destroying this country.

"China will re-open the old Silk Road as a new trading route linking Germany, Russia and China

By Peter Koenig

April 08, 2014 "ICH" - Russia has just dropped another bombshell, announcing not only the de-coupling of its trade from the dollar, but also that its hydrocarbon trade will in the future be carried out in rubles and local currencies of its trading partners – no longer in dollars – see Voice of Russia

Russia’s trade in hydrocarbons amounts to about a trillion dollars per year. Other countries, especially the BRICS and BRCIS-associates (BRICSA) may soon follow suit and join forces with Russia, abandoning the ‘petro-dollar’ as trading unit for oil and gas. This could amount to tens of trillions in loss for demand of petro-dollars per year (US GDP about 17 trillion dollars – December 2013) – leaving an important dent in the US economy would be an understatement.

Added to this is the declaration today by Russia’s Press TV – China will re-open the old Silk Road as a new trading route linking Germany, Russia and China, allowing to connect and develop new markets along the road, especially in Central Asia, where this new project will bring economic and political stability, and in Western China provinces,where “New Areas” of development will be created. The first one will be the Lanzhou New Area in China’s Northwestern Gansu Province, one of China’s poorest regions.


“During his visit to Duisburg, Chinese President Xi Jinping made a master stroke of economic diplomacy that runs directly counter to the Washington neo-conservative faction’s effort to bring a new confrontation between NATO and Russia.” (press TV, April 6, 2014)

“Using the role of Duisburg as the world’s largest inland harbor, an historic transportation hub of Europe and of Germany’s Ruhr steel industry center, he proposed that Germany and China cooperate on building a new “economic Silk Road” linking China and Europe. The implications for economic growth across Eurasia are staggering.”

Curiously, western media have so far been oblivious to both events. It seems like a desire to extending the falsehood of our western illusion and arrogance – as long as the silence will bear..........
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38165.htm
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The choice we as a Nation & other Nations need to make is:
Do we choose to make changes needed by military might or find ways to live in peace with each other.

If people wish to have Russia & China use their Military might to get their way then that will be the world we will live in.

Blaming Obama for all that is going wrong in this country & the world plays a big part of what is leading Russia to feel that America is weak & that Russia can get away with what ever it wants.

You my Dear Patty help to spread that view.
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Apr 9, 2014 09:34:15   #
Do these words have any use or meaning in what we are doing in our quest for the truth on this forum?

To a person we all seem to think we have problems. Yet we for the most part stand divided.

If people like us can not Stand as United on the issues at hand.

If we will surely just keep falling.
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Apr 9, 2014 09:24:19   #
lpnmajor wrote:
Might as well be ghost busters, for all the good it'll do. I talk to a great many people who are fed up with our Government. They're fed up with both democrats and republicans. When I ask them how they'll vote, they answer " I guess the same as always", then I ask, "well, then aren't you just perpetuating the very thing you don't like?". Now it gets worse. Most of these people tell me that there are no candidates they have confidence in, so they vote " the lesser of two evils".

When asked, they have a vague recollection of there being other political parties, but don't know anything about them. " well, if you're fed up with the big two, why not look for alternatives?" I ask, the answer is usually that they don't have time, or some other nonsense. When really pressed, they admit that it doesn't matter that much to them, hence, the lack of any research or thought.

Here are the top excuses;
1. I can't make a difference
2. One vote doesn't matter
3. It's out of my hands
4. they're going to do what they want anyway
5. I don't have good choices

These folk text each other 24/7, but don't have time to e-mail their Senator. They spend more time on the internet than they do sleeping, but don't have the time to research other parties, or any other options. They have time to complain, but no time to try and be part of a solution. Nearly everyone I have ever talked to said that there had to be a better way to Govern, but only a few of them have ever given it anymore thought than that. They keep on voting the way they always have, because that's the way they were raised, or that's what they learned in college, or some other ridiculous excuse.

So we're going to keep on doing what we've always done and when we don't like it, who are we going to call? We'll bob back and forth between the democrats and the republicans, just like we always do, and complain that things aren't getting any better, so who do we call to stop the stupidity roller coaster? We'll keep voting for the lesser of two evils and whine when things stay screwed up and wonder who's going to save us. The whole time, the answer was staring us in the face, every time we looked in the mirror. STOP doing the same thing we've always done - and the results MUST be different. Will it be better? We won't know until we try it, but we KNOW what will happen if we don't. That's what I tell those folks who are fed up. Do something completely different, take the risk, otherwise, just shut up if you don't like the results - you made it happen.
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If we are going to solve the problems first we have to agree on what the problems are.

You do a good job of pointing out the problems.

I think you deserve any respect you get for your input.

It is just that we can not make much headway in solving problems until most of us can agree to on just what the problems are & what or who is behind them..

Yes most of us are at fault for not doing as much as we can to do what is needed.

Your words speak volumes. Your words ring true.

The long standing words: "United We Stand Divided We Fall"
seems to have been lost in all that is going on.

Why must we fall in to the trap set by those that would keep us divided?
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Apr 8, 2014 18:44:39   #
rodulfo-tardo wrote:
Cannot overlook the self-policing police state, enforced fully by the political-correct, auto-reactive condemnation of what used to be called self-determination, free speech and the Constitutional Republic we once were.
The ideology of Fascism cannot be successful without the subliminal conditioning this censorship introduces, the Geopolitics of "Social Darwinism" guarantees opposition is easily dis-patched by 'group terrorism' it insures the One Party State, and everything is easily explained or justified as in-tolerance and anti-diverse, with the healthy dose of Islam-phobia and racism for good measure.
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I can only think I agree with you.

Your words over whelm me.
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Apr 8, 2014 18:38:24   #
rodulfo-tardo wrote:
Red is Red, unless color blindness makes it all gray.


Okay I have to let you go on that point.

You could only be a man & say that.
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Apr 8, 2014 18:33:06   #
lpnmajor wrote:
They will learn that, because they'll be living with the results. During the rise of the Roman Empire, much land was claimed by defeating one tribe after another, which was easily done. Why? because the tribes could never band together to fight and had they done so, Rome would have lost. The tribes could never unite - because they squabbled over who was to lead the united tribes. Pride and arrogance won more for Rome than all the legions put together. Interesting enough, that was also part of Rome's downfall, added to that apathy and a sense of entitlement.

All that to explain why division is so important - to some. Should the majority of Americans come to a consensus, there'd be some changes wrought, which would NOT benefit politicians and their big money pals. Monopolies would be broken and the Congress would become employees again instead of masters. Nope, common purpose and majority rule CANNOT be allowed to happen. There is too much money and power at stake.

I also mentioned Rome's downfall because you mentioned history repeating. The US empire is riding the same historical train as Rome did and I expect the results to be similar. The sense of entitlement ( NOT welfare ) that we have, the inattentiveness, the apathy, the whining, the abrogation of responsibility, all lead the people to sit by and let a select few determine the fate of this country.
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As always you have a sound grasp on the issues at hand.
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Apr 8, 2014 09:13:47   #
Well I would think that all will agree that there is at least two sides to each issue.

So I will say that there is two sides to this issue also.

It may just as well be said that everyone is wrong.

What are we missing here?

Why are we so divided. It can't be because we are so different because we are more alike than different.

Why is the things that divide us are viewed as more important than what holds us together.

Surely we as humans have reached this point in time by having done more to bring our self together than to drive us truly apart.

Where does the force that divides us come from.

Is it internal or are there external forces at play here.

Who really gains by driving us apart.

Surely it is not those like us here on this forum.

Are there some that gain from our being divided.

I for one find we are gaining nothing from our being increasingly more divided. We are just worse off because of it.

Many of us here have reached a point in life where we won't be deeply harmed by changes that will come about. No will changes do much to make our lives better.

Many bring up the issue of what are we leaving for our children.

Well I say that the best we can do for those that come after us is to show them the way to live life with out hate & greed.
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Apr 8, 2014 09:07:39   #
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lpnmajor wrote:
Everyone starts at a place they believe to be correct, but when you're convinced the other side HAS to be wrong - because it's the other side - you've got nowhere else to go. We've gotten to the place where we immediately reject ANY argument that does not come from "our" side, but here's the problem - who decides what "side" an idea is on BEFORE it's presented? In the case of political parties, it's easy, ideas without political affiliation are harder to define, but you've no doubt noticed, many people define the idea FIRST - then reject it due to where they've placed it.

One's political persuasion is always correct and all others wrong, they feel the same way about you, so... now what? No one wants to deal in gray, because you can't sell gray to the populace. When you're trying to convince the country that YOUR party is the bestess, saying " I don't know" is not an option, nor is saying " we might be wrong, but..", so you have to be right, whether you are or not. When admitting to an error has become the same as admitting defeat, admissions have to be forced, by the media, courts or other mechanism. Even then, the apologies usually allude to someone or something else actually being responsible for causing the error, meaning, they were correct and someone ELSE was wrong.

Any way you want to slice it, being correct, right and a winner is what drives our society. Anything else is perceived as failure. You have seen, from the posts on this thread, the need to prove why the "other" is more at fault for not admitting error. I was struck by the number of "settlements" reached - which did not involve admitting fault. I mean, WTF? You paid but did nothing wrong? When did it become dishonorable to admit fault? Whenever it happened, it has now become the norm. Our Congress has become useless, BECAUSE each side is correct and the others wrong, and as I said - there's no where to go from there.
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Well I would think that all will agree that there is at least two sides to each issue.

So I will say that there is two sides to this issue also.

It may just as well be said that everyone is wrong.

What are we missing here?

Why are we so divided. It can't be because we are so different because we are more alike than different.

Why is the things that divide us are viewed as more important than what holds us together.

Surely we as humans have reached this point in time by having done more to bring our self together than to drive us truly apart.

Where does the force that divides us come from.

Is it internal or are there external forces at play here.

Who really gains by driving us apart.

Surely it is not those like us here on this forum.

Are there some that gain from our being divided.

I for one find we are gaining nothing from our being increasingly more divided. We are just worse off because of it.

Many of us here have reached a point in life where we won't be deeply harmed by changes that will come about. No will changes do much to make our lives better.

Many bring up the issue of what are we leaving for our children.

Well I say that the best we can do for those that come after us is to show them the way to live life with out hate & greed.
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Apr 8, 2014 00:31:56   #
MrEd wrote:
This is a very good article on how to control someone and is pretty much what they are doing to us. Now you know what they are doing to you, you can get out of their control and start living your life the way you want. As soon as we get rid of these creeps that is.

Article can be found here; http://www.scionofzion.com/control.htm




HOW TO CONTROL PEOPLE

by Charley Reese

The difference between true education and vocational training has been cleverly blurred. Here are a few tips on how smart people can control other people. If any of this rings a bell - Well, then wake up!

The first principle of people control is not to let them know you are controlling them. If people knew, this knowledge will breed resentment and possibly rebellion, which would then require brute force and terror, and old fashioned, expensive and not 100 % certain method of control.

It is easier than you think to control people indirectly, to manipulate them into thinking what you want them to think and doing what you want them to do.

One basic technique is to keep them ignorant. Educated people are not as easy to manipulate. Abolishing public education or restricting access to education would be the direct approach. That would spill the beans. The indirect approach is to control the education they receive.

It’s possible to be a Ph.D., doctor, lawyer, businessman, journalist, or an accountant, just to name a few examples, and at the same time be an uneducated person. The difference between true education and vocational training has been cleverly blurred in our time so that we have people successfully practicing their vocations while at the same time being totally ignorant of the larger issues of the world in which they live.

The most obvious symptom is their absence of original thought. Ask them a question and they will end up reciting what someone else thinks or thought the answer was. What do they think Well, they never thought about it. Their education consisted of learning how to use the library and cite sources.

That greatly simplifies things for the controller because with lots of money, university endowments, foundations, grants, and ownership of media, it is relatively easy to control who they will think of as authorities to cite in lieu of doing their own thinking.

Another technique is to keep them entertained. Roman emperors did not stage circuses and gladiator contests because they didn’t have television. We have television because we don’t have circuses and gladiator events. Either way, the purpose is to keep the people’s minds focused on entertainment, sports, and peripheral political issues. This way you won’t have to worry that they will ever figure out the real issues that allow you to control them.

Just as a truly educated person is difficult to control, so too is an economically independent person. Therefore, you want to create conditions that will produce people who work for wages, since wage earners have little control over their economic destiny. You’ll also want to control the monetary, credit, and banking systems. This will allow you to inflate the currency and make it next to impossible for wage earners to accumulate capital. You can also cause periodic deflation to collapse the family businesses, family farms, and entrepreneurs, including independent community banks.

To keep trade unions under control, you just promote a scheme that allows you to shift production jobs out of the country and bring back the products as imports (it is called free trade). This way you will end up with no unions or docile unions.

Another technique is to buy both political parties so that after a while people will feel that no matter whether they vote for Candidate A or Candidate B, they will get the same policies. This will create great apathy and a belief that the political process is useless for effecting real change.

Pretty soon you will have a population that feels completely helpless, and thinks the bad things happening to them are nobody in particular’s fault, just a result of global forces or evolution or some other disembodied abstract concept. If necessary, you can offer scapegoats.

Then you can bleed them dry without having to worry overly much that one of them will sneak into your house one night and cut your throat. If you do it right, they won’t even know whose throat they are cutting.
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That is how much of what is going on as I see it also.
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Apr 8, 2014 00:25:49   #
Blacksheep wrote:
Only 10 pages? Why such a short post? It only took a minute and 30 seconds to scroll down it.

Who knows? Some people might even read it if you shorten it down to a single paragraph. Otherwise I wouldn't expect much.


You are not the only one that don't like post like that.

I like much of what Jon has to say But post like that are to much for me to sort through.
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Apr 7, 2014 10:56:43   #
Terry Allan Hall wrote:
Had Bush treated the hijackers as criminals, not as an excuse to invade a country with no links to 9/11, a lot of people would not be dead.


Yes we have come to the time when we must forget about going to war & just be policemen.
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