lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

All those who say liberals are idiots, are correct. All those who say conservatives are stupid, are correct. Those who say Republicans are corrupt are correct, as are those who claim the Democrats are as well. Whatever the claim about whatever issue, ideology, cause, person, group or concept, are always correct. No one is ever wrong.

All ideas are based on some theory or assumption. We used to experiment, discuss and try to DISPROVE such ideas, before accepting them as fact. We are no longer required to do so. Every idea must be accepted as correct immediately. Discussion of the merits or demerits of an idea or concept are no longer required. Now, we only have to defend it, by attacking everyone else.

Now that we know that everyone is correct, no one can be wrong, which leaves us with no recourse for finding common ground. With 300,000,000 million people, all who have some ideas, all of which are correct, and few are in common with anyone else, we have - chaos. For people, with differing views, to come to a consensus - someone is going to have to be wrong, at least a little bit. To compromise means to admit wrongness and that cannot be allowed. Admitting that some idea, or portion thereof, is wrong, is to admit total defeat. Agreeing with someone else, for the sake of "common purpose", is to surrender to a superior idea, making you wrong.

It does not seem to occur to anyone - to change their minds about something - because that would require admitting that they were wrong to begin with. Todays society will not allow anyone to be wrong. Oh, the OTHER person is always wrong, to be sure, but WE are never wrong. Admitting that WE are wrong, about anything - means the other person wins and that cannot be allowed. We never lose, unless it's a war then we ALWAYS lose, but we were correct the whole time.

Alicia Loc: NYC

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The fallacy in your argument is that you are seeing only black and white, right or wrong. Why does it have to be "this" or "that" all the way. Communication is much improved when those involved do not believe themselves to be threatened. At least considering another view is what will bring about a consensus which will be right for both parties. That's the way war can be avoided.

MrEd Loc: Georgia

I agree that there are people like that here, but not everyone is like that. Most are throwing out ideas to debate, but there are a few that trash most debates simply because they can more then anything else. I love a good debate and will often throw something out just to see what reaction I get, but there are some that make it personal and I take exception to that.

Most of the time, when you are talking about government it is a debate, unless you are simply making a statement about something in particular in which case you post a link to back it up, but if you throw out an idea, that should be open to debate, not trashing. It would be nice if we could have a good debate, but that is often trashed simply because you are on the wrong side from someone else. Then it is open season on you. Some don't even bother reading your link, they simply open up on you. That's a really good way to win an argument.

It would be nice if we could debate something, but most people are just like you say. They have to win every time and nothing they say is ever wrong. We have already had one Civil War, we don't need to start another one here...........

Ve'hoe

Because,,, compromise,, has led historically, to greater compromise, and eventually to a place where the majority of people never agreed to go........compromise, is not what is happening,,, one side is taking advantage of the others willingness to discuss and their "compromise" has lead to aggression on the left....

Ie: the firing of the mozilla CEO....the leftists, who tout free speech,,, attacked when they had the power,,, and became what they claimed they hated and were fighting against....

That is what happens, when you know good and well, that what is in your heart, and what you INTEND to do, is not what you agree to,,, and that is the tactic of the left,,, now, I am not interested in "how fair" you think the swing of the pendulum is.

Ve'hoe

On the contrary..... "need" is relative,,,,, when one side of the country begins to "govern" without respect to the vote or opinion of the other, "WHO" is it who really wants the conflict?

Alicia Loc: NYC

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You sound quite paranoid! Absolutely no belief in the "gray" field.

Alicia Loc: NYC

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You too often see yourself or your ideas as being "attacked."

Ve'hoe

No,,, just a solid understanding that what you write/think,,, has no hard and fast basis... therefore it is mostly emotional blabbering,,, that doesnt "threaten" more than it bores me....
and of course is rarely relative to the discussion...

Just saying,,,

Ve'hoe

Oh,,, so you are clairvoyant now, and can see what I feel???

Why dont you change your name to Nostra-dumbass???

Ve'hoe

You sound frustrated,,,, I began this forum trying to be fair,, like you are now,,, after insults to even my dog,, and threats to my family etc,,,, I gave up,,,, and realized that the left has a preconceived notion of their superiority,, that tends to make them arrogant and condescending,,, case in point when the latest post starts our with "Conservatives hate, gays, poor, healthcare, clean air and water,," and then proceeds to ask a question on the basis of that premise..

Then the poster gets indignant, and claims she cant get a "decent/civil discussion" from people with closed minds..!!??!!

When you start out calling people stupid, they react, and resent it. The rest of the planet is tired of the abuse the left dishes out, disguised as their superior intellect..and civility.

Like I said to alicia, I can no longer feel sorry, or even remotely concerned how the left perceives the swinging of the pendulum,,,, they asked for it.

Sometimes, when you call down the thunder,,,, thunder actually shows up.... enjoy the conflict you created, left wing america.

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

I would agree with you about communication being improved if the environment is nonthreatening. However, what percentage of those on OPP would you say aspire to that kind of communication? How many on this site "refuse" to admit they "might" be wrong about another's point of view? How many here would be willing to admit, even to themselves, that some of their perceptions have changed since joining this site? Some of mine, I can honestly admit, have changed. I came to OPP thinking, that conservatives were, among other things, ALL miserly in spirit, no heart. I have come to know it simply isn't true. I joined OPP embracing "my" definition of being liberal as all encompassing, but now can see "why" some view "liberal" as a negative, and sometimes I even agree!! I will admit that "some" of my viewpoints have only changed with continually hearing through extreme vitriol the "real" message over and over and over again almost lost in the angry key bytes until I finally took my hands away from my ears, listened and thought a while.

My time on this site IS coming to an end, that I DO know. I spend a lot of time reviewing posts of those I have learned the most from -- either negative or positive, things to remember, some points I seem to have missed. I had thought I would have been done by now, actually had planned to be, but it seems I have discovered yet one more thing I was wrong about. :roll:

Ve'hoe

Good point,,, as in a marriage, you find your partner isnt so afraid of losing an argument, if you are not so damned determine to win it!!

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

When moral relativism is the only proper belief system, what do you expect? There was a time when people dared to say "that was wrong" now it has to be "I think you are wrong, but since you think you are right, that's OK with me."

Searching Loc: Rural Southwest VA

Funny how that works, isn't it. :lol: I have come to understand that "winning" is high over rated, that "understanding" is far more important. Ran across a quote the other day that "might" apply here. "Giving up doesn't mean you are weak. Sometimes, it means that you are strong enough to let go."

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

No we are not deep down at least, idiots or stupid.

We are just average people who have found our little corner of the world. It takes so much of our time & effort for the most part to just get by.

It is hard to see if rocking the boat will really help. So we just try to steady the boat & row around in circles.

I would say that most of us here have our day to day affairs in a some what secure way.

If we can not take a chance & look at what needs to be done.
We all seem to agree that things need to be done. It is just that we don't look at the problems in the same way.

I don't have to worry much about day to day problems.

I also feel that other than we are just getting older we don't really have much to worry about.

After all for as much time as some of us spend here if it was important to shore up our personal life's we would be out doing that.

Bottom line if it were to come right down to it what is bad for any of us would be bad for most of us.

Conversely what would be good for any of us would be good for most of us.