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Aug 14, 2013 06:55:39   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
DennisDee wrote:
Here is a thought for the day. The ethnic group with the lowest test scores in America is the Dem party base. SAT, ACT , HESPA etc. Latino's are a close second. Your party relies on the ignorant for support. Look at Detroit . Last GOP Mayor was 1960 yet they are ready to elect yet another Dem. Now THATS STUPID.


Hard to understand how democrats are an ethnic group. And you talk ignorance? The Jewish vote is also part of their base. I guess they're stupid too. Your definition of ignorance is "based" on who agrees with you or not.

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Aug 14, 2013 07:22:20   #
VladimirPee
 
So if you really want them to quit why not outlaw them? Because its a cash cow for taxes. Democrats couldn't give a crap if these folks died of lung cancer. Its all about the taxes. The Koch Brothers do not have the US Treasury to raid and dispense TRILLIONS of dollars from in order to buy votes.


Poco624 wrote:
Paying more for their smokes is just an incentive to quit, quitting is their prerogative. Working with their doctor is one way to reduce the stress of quitting.

Using Nicorette patches helped to reduce my stress. Today they have electronic cigarettes "e-cigs", which can cost anywhere between $12.00 $200.00.

As far as paying for votes -- no one pays more for votes than the right. They have billionaires Art Pope, the Koch brothers, Karl Rove, and Citizens United.

I believe the Koch brothers are in Virginia right now helping Ken Cuccinelli win the governors election. They also spent $30 million to save WI's Scott Walker from being re-called.

Anyway, back to quitting smoking, this is a picture of an electronic cigarette:
Paying more for their smokes is just an incentive ... (show quote)

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Aug 14, 2013 09:16:27   #
Tristan Loc: Texas
 
Running a deficit is the dumbest idea that the progressives have ever come up with. When you run a deficit, you have to pay interest on the debt that accrues. The interest on the debt is then added to the deficit, ad nauseam, until the debt is unsustainable. If you think that debt unsustainability is not possible, advise me on what has happened in Greece, Spain, etc. etc. etc.

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Aug 14, 2013 09:27:30   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Tristan wrote:
Running a deficit is the dumbest idea that the progressives have ever come up with. When you run a deficit, you have to pay interest on the debt that accrues. The interest on the debt is then added to the deficit, ad nauseam, until the debt is unsustainable. If you think that debt unsustainability is not possible, advise me on what has happened in Greece, Spain, etc. etc. etc.


Exactly right, but except for Clinton..with the prodding of the GOP, every President in my lifetime (?) has seen the deficit rise. Both parties, progressive or otherwise, does the same thing.

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Aug 14, 2013 09:32:27   #
Anncaste
 
We as Republicans need to be more forceful and seek a candidate who is charismatic as Kennedy but only smarter and not a woman chaser who will bear the pantsuit off Clinton!

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Aug 14, 2013 09:38:50   #
Tristan Loc: Texas
 
Okay Ann, you run. You already seem to qualify. (I'm independent, but still conservative and unlikely to vote the socialist/Marxist/communist/progressive ticket offered by the Democrat party.

Anncaste wrote:
We as Republicans need to be more forceful and seek a candidate who is charismatic as Kennedy but only smarter and not a woman chaser who will bear the pantsuit off Clinton!

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Aug 14, 2013 09:45:08   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Poco624 wrote:
Well, if we Liberals are so superior that we like to fix everything I guess that makes health insurance companies superior also since they will raise premiums anywhere from 10% - 40% on smokers.

Not only will health insurance companies raise rates for smokers some will refuse to insure teachers in Kansas who carry guns.

The big problem here is when someone does not have health care insurance they will go to ER's and we all will pay higher hospital rates.


Did you forget about Obamacare?

Do you realize that the restrictions the government makes on hospital bills for Medicare and Medicaid have a far larger impact on the hospital costs for private insurers?

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Aug 14, 2013 09:50:11   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Poco624 wrote:
By golly OldRoy I believe that sounds a lot like the Bible -- taking from the rich and giving to the poor was what Jesus did. During the 2012 "budget battles" the Catholic Bishops sent letters to Congress saying that no budget was complete without something for the poor -- I guess the religious right doesn't honor that part of religion since the Paul Ryan Budget excluded just about everything it could for the needy.

Deuteronomy 15:11
"There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the needy in your land."

1 John 3:17-18
"If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need and has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Let us love not with words but with actions and in truth."

Luke 12:33-34
"Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

Matthew 19:24
"And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
By golly OldRoy I believe that sounds a lot like t... (show quote)


Do you understand the difference between individual citizens making donations and government taking by force?

As to the Catholic Bishops, did you also support their call for stopping all abortions and gay marriages?

Do you really think supporting the government's use of force to take from one to give to another is some kind of superior moral position to the act of giving on your own, voluntarily?

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Aug 14, 2013 09:52:20   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Dave wrote:
If the deficit figure stands for the current fiscal year - it will represent the lowest of the Obama era - and yet it will be higher than the highest deficit from the Bush era - and the folks who support Obama vicuously criticized Bush for his deficits. I guess it isn't the size of the deficit, it is only the person in charge that makes the difference.


Unfortunately, that is true.

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Aug 14, 2013 09:57:07   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Poco624 wrote:
Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believe the 1990's Republican Congress forced President Clinton to tax the rich? Wow! Seriously. It was more like Clinton was forced to work with Republican$. I do not believe that one Republican went along with Clinton's 1993 Budget Act that would require $2.00 of revenue for every $2.00 of spending.

The Republican$ said that his budget would cost jobs; and 22.5 million jobs were created and unemployment dropped from 7.5% when he took office to 4.0% by the end of his second term, the lowest in 30 years.

When President Clinton took office he had a $290 billion national deficit handed to him by George H. W. Bush. When he left office in 2001 he handed George W. Bush a $124 billion surplus and Bush used every penny to pay for his tax breaks for the rich with John Boehner looking on. Bush did this in spite of the economist telling him to continue with Clinton's 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which became know as the 1993 Budget Act.

Economist say that if the 1993 Budget Act was continued we would not have the $16 trillion deficit we have today.
Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believ... (show quote)


Clinton wanted to put Hillarycare into law, but was stopped by Congress. Do you really think Hillarycare would not have increased the deficits?

Clinton was left the "peace" dividend by Reagan/Bush41 - he was able to reduce defense spending (and probably did too much - see 9/11) because of the success in the Cold War.

Clinton was forced, ultimately, to accept welfare reform - after vetoing it 3 times - that helped reduce spending.

Clinton's time in office saw enormous increases in taxes due to the false economy that blew up - dot com bust - and had to be dealt with by Bush41.

Not realizing realities does allow one to dream of a world the way they'd hope it would be, realist can't.

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Aug 14, 2013 09:57:37   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
DennisDee wrote:
Dave don't expect anything from them except the one line propaganda they are taught to parrot.


My friend, you "parrot" the same propaganda, just from the other side. Common practice on this thread...from both
sides.

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Aug 14, 2013 09:59:46   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
slatten49 wrote:
Hard to understand how democrats are an ethnic group. And you talk ignorance? The Jewish vote is also part of their base. I guess they're stupid too. Your definition of ignorance is "based" on who agrees with you or not.


Electing and re-electing Jesse Jackson Jr would seem stupid to most intelligent people most of the time. Electing and re-electing Coleman and Kilpatrick in Detroit would also qualify. Electing and reelecting crooks like Rangel and Franks and Dodd would also qualify as stupid by those with intelligence.

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Aug 14, 2013 10:04:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Dave wrote:
Electing and re-electing Jesse Jackson Jr would seem stupid to most intelligent people most of the time. Electing and re-electing Coleman and Kilpatrick in Detroit would also qualify. Electing and reelecting crooks like Rangel and Franks and Dodd would also qualify as stupid by those with intelligence.


I couldn't disagree with that, except....you left off any GOP representatives of stupid. Probably an oversight. Incumbancy is hard to overcome....sad to say.

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Aug 14, 2013 11:04:34   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
slatten49 wrote:
I couldn't disagree with that, except....you left off any GOP representatives of stupid. Probably an oversight. Incumbancy is hard to overcome....sad to say.


You'd have a hard time finding as many, as gross and as long in "service"

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Aug 14, 2013 11:12:31   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Dave wrote:
You'd have a hard time finding as many, as gross and as long in "service"


With respect to his death, I believe Strom Thurmond qualified, unequivocally. Throw in Jesse Helms. There are many today who have yet to stand the test of time with regards to length of service. I accept, grudgingly sometimes, the will of the people.

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