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Aug 13, 2013 21:32:29   #
Poco624
 
oldroy wrote:
I have wondered how leaners can be so much in favor of the balanced budgets of the late 1990s that the Republican Congress forced on Clinton and he claimed support for but they don't think it is good any more. Are there any progs here who can explain this to me.


Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believe the 1990's Republican Congress forced President Clinton to tax the rich? Wow! Seriously. It was more like Clinton was forced to work with Republican$. I do not believe that one Republican went along with Clinton's 1993 Budget Act that would require $2.00 of revenue for every $2.00 of spending.

The Republican$ said that his budget would cost jobs; and 22.5 million jobs were created and unemployment dropped from 7.5% when he took office to 4.0% by the end of his second term, the lowest in 30 years.

When President Clinton took office he had a $290 billion national deficit handed to him by George H. W. Bush. When he left office in 2001 he handed George W. Bush a $124 billion surplus and Bush used every penny to pay for his tax breaks for the rich with John Boehner looking on. Bush did this in spite of the economist telling him to continue with Clinton's 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which became know as the 1993 Budget Act.

Economist say that if the 1993 Budget Act was continued we would not have the $16 trillion deficit we have today.

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Aug 13, 2013 22:01:26   #
VladimirPee
 
Really Paco your knowledge of history is lacking. Tell me you never heard that the GOP rejected 7 Clinton budgets before he finally submitted a balanced budget? You never heard about Newt shutting down government?

In 1995, Time magazine named Newt Gingrich "Man of the Year": "Leaders make things possible. Exceptional leaders make them inevitable. Newt Gingrich belongs in the category of the exceptional. All year -- ruthlessly, brilliantly, obnoxiously -- he worked at hammering together inevitabilities: a balanced federal budget, for one. ... Today, because of Gingrich (emphasis added), the question is not whether a balanced-budget plan will come to pass but when.

Poco624 wrote:
Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believe the 1990's Republican Congress forced President Clinton to tax the rich? Wow! Seriously. It was more like Clinton was forced to work with Republican$. I do not believe that one Republican went along with Clinton's 1993 Budget Act that would require $2.00 of revenue for every $2.00 of spending.

The Republican$ said that his budget would cost jobs; and 22.5 million jobs were created and unemployment dropped from 7.5% when he took office to 4.0% by the end of his second term, the lowest in 30 years.

When President Clinton took office he had a $290 billion national deficit handed to him by George H. W. Bush. When he left office in 2001 he handed George W. Bush a $124 billion surplus and Bush used every penny to pay for his tax breaks for the rich with John Boehner looking on. Bush did this in spite of the economist telling him to continue with Clinton's 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which became know as the 1993 Budget Act.

Economist say that if the 1993 Budget Act was continued we would not have the $16 trillion deficit we have today.
Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believ... (show quote)

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Aug 13, 2013 22:03:43   #
VladimirPee
 
Washington Post Factchecker

The government shutdown took place in two phases. The first lasted five days in November 1995, until the White House agreed to congressional demands to balance the budget within seven years. But talks on implementing that agreement failed, and the second shutdown lasted 21 days, from Dec. 15, 1995 to Jan. 6. 1996. (Then a blizzard struck Washington and local federal workers could not get back to work for days after that.)

The sticking point was the GOP demand that Clinton agree to their version of a balanced budget. In months of negotiations, Clinton had actually given a far amount of ground, infuriating Democrats on the left. He agreed to a balanced budget over seven years, to tax cuts, to changes in mandatory spending programs such as Medicare. But the two sides were remained far apart on the pace of spending cuts -- and even further apart on the policies behind those cuts.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/lessons_from_the_great_governm.html

Poco624 wrote:
Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believe the 1990's Republican Congress forced President Clinton to tax the rich? Wow! Seriously. It was more like Clinton was forced to work with Republican$. I do not believe that one Republican went along with Clinton's 1993 Budget Act that would require $2.00 of revenue for every $2.00 of spending.

The Republican$ said that his budget would cost jobs; and 22.5 million jobs were created and unemployment dropped from 7.5% when he took office to 4.0% by the end of his second term, the lowest in 30 years.

When President Clinton took office he had a $290 billion national deficit handed to him by George H. W. Bush. When he left office in 2001 he handed George W. Bush a $124 billion surplus and Bush used every penny to pay for his tax breaks for the rich with John Boehner looking on. Bush did this in spite of the economist telling him to continue with Clinton's 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which became know as the 1993 Budget Act.

Economist say that if the 1993 Budget Act was continued we would not have the $16 trillion deficit we have today.
Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believ... (show quote)

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Aug 13, 2013 22:06:44   #
VladimirPee
 
Clinton left behind a Tech Crash. Dot Com bubble burst and within the fist 70 days of the Bush admin a recession was official. Economic growth had been declining all through Clintons final year in 2000. NASDAQ lost 50% of its value in the spring of 2000 before Bush was nominated at the GOP Convention.

DennisDee wrote:
Really Paco your knowledge of history is lacking. Tell me you never heard that the GOP rejected 7 Clinton budgets before he finally submitted a balanced budget? You never heard about Newt shutting down government?

In 1995, Time magazine named Newt Gingrich "Man of the Year": "Leaders make things possible. Exceptional leaders make them inevitable. Newt Gingrich belongs in the category of the exceptional. All year -- ruthlessly, brilliantly, obnoxiously -- he worked at hammering together inevitabilities: a balanced federal budget, for one. ... Today, because of Gingrich (emphasis added), the question is not whether a balanced-budget plan will come to pass but when.
Really Paco your knowledge of history is lacking. ... (show quote)

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Aug 13, 2013 22:08:18   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
DennisDee wrote:
Really Paco your knowledge of history is lacking. Tell me you never heard that the GOP rejected 7 Clinton budgets before he finally submitted a balanced budget? You never heard about Newt shutting down government?

In 1995, Time magazine named Newt Gingrich "Man of the Year": "Leaders make things possible. Exceptional leaders make them inevitable. Newt Gingrich belongs in the category of the exceptional. All year -- ruthlessly, brilliantly, obnoxiously -- he worked at hammering together inevitabilities: a balanced federal budget, for one. ... Today, because of Gingrich (emphasis added), the question is not whether a balanced-budget plan will come to pass but when.
Really Paco your knowledge of history is lacking. ... (show quote)


As you are new to, as I call it, the Plaza, you do not yet know my style. I can be amusingly funny, amusingly sarcastic, am a grammar nazi and many other things. Now the ground work is set for my comment.

You obviously are seeking new tires/wheels as you are spinning yours uselessly in any attempt to convey accurate historical government policy facts, laws, etc. to Paco. Hopefully your tires are not of the excessively expense type. :D

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Aug 13, 2013 22:11:22   #
VladimirPee
 
I may be spinning my wheels but when it comes to documented historical fact I refuse to allow them to lie.

AuntiE wrote:
As you are new to, as I call it, the Plaza, you do not yet know my style. I can be amusingly funny, amusingly sarcastic, am a grammar nazi and many other things. Now the ground work is set for my comment.

You obviously are seeking new tires/wheels as you are spinning yours uselessly in any attempt to convey accurate historical government policy facts, laws, etc. to Paco. Hopefully your tires are not of the excessively expense type. :D

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Aug 13, 2013 22:16:54   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
DennisDee wrote:
I may be spinning my wheels but when it comes to documented historical fact I refuse to allow them to lie.


Your point is well taken; however, there is the old phrase to the effect of those to blind to see. Paco falls in such a category.

Do not take I am criticizing or attempting to infringe. Welcome to our site.

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Aug 14, 2013 00:27:51   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Poco624 wrote:
Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believe the 1990's Republican Congress forced President Clinton to tax the rich? Wow! Seriously. It was more like Clinton was forced to work with Republican$. I do not believe that one Republican went along with Clinton's 1993 Budget Act that would require $2.00 of revenue for every $2.00 of spending.

The Republican$ said that his budget would cost jobs; and 22.5 million jobs were created and unemployment dropped from 7.5% when he took office to 4.0% by the end of his second term, the lowest in 30 years.

How big would that debt be these days if Clinton's rules had stuck? You do know that without the Congress passing the law it would never have been there. You didn't know that did you?

I think you may find that the two good years Clinton had were somewhat past 1993. Also, if you look around you will find that his "surpluses" were both about the same amount that the "surplus" of the SS taxes. You know that Dems really started that taking of the surplus of SS taxes to pay for things that should have been done only under taxes? No, you didn't know that either? Would there have been a need for us to worry so much about SS if the taxes for SS had been allowed to sit instead of being spent like they were part of income tax? Surely you know the answer to that one.

When President Clinton took office he had a $290 billion national deficit handed to him by George H. W. Bush. When he left office in 2001 he handed George W. Bush a $124 billion surplus and Bush used every penny to pay for his tax breaks for the rich with John Boehner looking on. Bush did this in spite of the economist telling him to continue with Clinton's 1993 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which became know as the 1993 Budget Act.

Economist say that if the 1993 Budget Act was continued we would not have the $16 trillion deficit we have today.
Really OldRoy, you want this Progressive to believ... (show quote)

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Aug 14, 2013 01:04:11   #
S
 
I think they matter regardless to rather a Republican or Democrat is in office .... the spending that government does is never sanctioned by those that are paying the bills and that is We the People and future generations, foreign
aid sent to countries that weaponize and sanction the terrorists, most of the time on borrowed money ... I think that if another country needs aid they can go borrow the $ from China without the US being on the line.

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Aug 14, 2013 01:14:31   #
S
 
So tell me History Buffs How many Scandals came before , During and after the Clintons ? A realistic look back at what we all like to forget and I am not talking about the famous sex scandals. Progressives would really rather not look at the facts!

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Aug 14, 2013 06:02:09   #
donc711 Loc: North East Kansas
 
Poco624 wrote:
Here is a thought for the day: "Not all Republicans are stupid, but most stupid people are Republicans."


Of course. That's why Pelosi demanded ACA to be passed without being read. Of Course. That's why Harry Reid ran out of reasons for repealing it and played the race card. Of course. That's is why Harry Reid has not allowed a debate on a constitutionally mandated budget. Of course Republicans are mostly stupid because they want a return to constitutional government. Obama loves to rule by mandate and loves to bypass congress. That's SMART??? Got bury your head in the sand again where it belongs.

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Aug 14, 2013 06:09:01   #
Poco624
 
DennisDee wrote:
So on top of the stress of feeding a family and working 2 jobs you want to add the burden of quitting smoking? Why not offer them help instead of another anchor to punish these poor addicted folks? Or outlaw cigarettes. But then there is no Tax Advantage for Dems to spend on buying votes


Paying more for their smokes is just an incentive to quit, quitting is their prerogative. Working with their doctor is one way to reduce the stress of quitting.

Using Nicorette patches helped to reduce my stress. Today they have electronic cigarettes "e-cigs", which can cost anywhere between $12.00 $200.00.

As far as paying for votes -- no one pays more for votes than the right. They have billionaires Art Pope, the Koch brothers, Karl Rove, and Citizens United.

I believe the Koch brothers are in Virginia right now helping Ken Cuccinelli win the governors election. They also spent $30 million to save WI's Scott Walker from being re-called.

Anyway, back to quitting smoking, this is a picture of an electronic cigarette:





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Aug 14, 2013 06:13:35   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
This is one of my pet peeves about the Republicans. The balanced budget amendment only comes out when a Democrat is in the White House. They should pull the 2x4 out of their eyes before worrying about the mote in someone else's eyes. Because when Republicans are in the White House deficits do Not matter.
http://www.google.com/search?q=budget+deficit+by+president&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=f1cLUsT3DPGgyAGGoIG4Cg&ved=0CDYQsAQ&biw=1012&bih=656

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Aug 14, 2013 06:24:40   #
Poco624
 
DennisDee wrote:
Really Paco your knowledge of history is lacking. Tell me you never heard that the GOP rejected 7 Clinton budgets before he finally submitted a balanced budget? You never heard about Newt shutting down government?

In 1995, Time magazine named Newt Gingrich "Man of the Year": "Leaders make things possible. Exceptional leaders make them inevitable. Newt Gingrich belongs in the category of the exceptional. All year -- ruthlessly, brilliantly, obnoxiously -- he worked at hammering together inevitabilities: a balanced federal budget, for one. ... Today, because of Gingrich (emphasis added), the question is not whether a balanced-budget plan will come to pass but when.
Really Paco your knowledge of history is lacking. ... (show quote)


Sorry, your knowledge is lacking. I do remember Newt shutting down the governor and they lost big time in their next election -- great job. That is why the Dems are waiting for this group of rebel rousers to shut down the government.

Never before in the history of presidents has a Republican president been concerned about a deficit or even balancing a deficit until Obama took office. Dick Cheney said that a deficit didn't matter, Grover Norquist said the same thing.

Not only did W. use Clinton's surplus to pay for his tax breaks for the rich, he took $1.5 trillion from Social Security to pay for his tax breaks for the rich. Then he started the Afghan War. Gave another tax break to the rich and started the Iraq War without any means of paying for them.

Today we know the cost of those two wars is close to $4 trillion, the total will be known after the Afghan War is ended.

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Aug 14, 2013 06:33:07   #
hbryanbaker
 
Sorry Bo, but you made the point for others. That is the number as of July, half the year as the feds fiscal year ends December. Half the year. half the debt. It is projected to go to 1.2 Billion, and all the while Obama vacations at huge cost. $1.8 billion over the last 5 years, that is 1 whole years worth of deficit. Maybe he should be more concerned over our country than living like a rock star.

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