maryjane

But, aren't the hard-working American taxpayers, indeed, paying the price for lazy lowlifes and illegal aliens (and millions of other foreign non-citizens)??? And why wouldn't anyone resist such??

maryjane

We, all Americans paying attention, have many decades of experience and knowledge of how our government runs ANY program it gets its hands on, so why, in the world, would any of us favor giving them control of our health care, or anything else?

dongreen76

The big deal is Republican demogoguery

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

We can think the liberal leftist progressive Democrats for all of this it's all about getting into power by any means so they can fundamentally change America that Obama and Hillary failed to get accomplished that Trump put the kaboush to !

These are the ones that care nothing about the American people just for themselves to gain power and money !

dongreen76

According to chief Supreme Court Justice; ROBERTS ,you `AMARICANS` don't understand S_ _ T !

eden

So more difficult means we should not try?
In New Zealand, a country that punches above its weight in almost every sphere the Kiwis would look at our medical system and declare it “piss-poor mate...you yanks should get off your arses and stop whining about how difficult it would be. Didn’t you guys put a man on the moon?”
The Dems are shooting themselves in both feet over healthcare by pushing in some cases for the eradication of private health insurance
completely. America is a center right country and such talk will immediately set half of the country against you with another 10 or 20%
feeling uncomfortable.
A better plan would be to expand Medicare,
a plan already in place, to provide good basic health care for about $100 a month with subsidized drugs, and a $500 cap on long term and emergency services. People who can afford or prefer private insurance can continue with it. Yes, even this plan would cost a lot of money but nothing like the gargantuan trillions estimated for Medicare for all. What most Americans don’t realize is that all other western countries have this public/private option. The existence of a low cost public option keeps the private insurers in line and 10 million a year salaries for health care CEO’s are unheard of.

Small businesses in states that require Employer mandated healthcare would see their costs cut in half or more under a hybrid plan like the above.

I think it was Winston Churchill that said that the Americans can always be relied on to do the right thing...after they’ve tried everything else.

eden

You are somewhat correct but the hardworking taxpayers are also paying for other services like police, fire and other critical public services. Would you like the Fire Department to refuse to attend a house Fire because the occupants are on welfare?
Or how about the police ignoring a 911 call about a mass shooting in a poor district because it’s a low tax base area.
Making basic health care affordable is a long term investment in the society as a whole.
People who avoid medical checkups because of cost end up with statistically higher cost medical problems that are then born again by the taxpayer.
Studies seem to indicate that undocumented immigrants actually contribute significantly to the tax base. I’m not advocating relief for lawbreakers but it seems prudent to cover everybody in some fashion until the immigration mess is resolved.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

If 10 million illegals you'd be in favor of the taxpayers giving them all free healthcare and free room and board and who knows what else !

We don't have an immigration problem we have an Mass Illegal influx of people that have no right to be here !

We have a legal way to come here that has worked very well but the Democrats want all the illegals to come here and vote for them to get in to and stay in power and they don't mind making the taxpayers foot the bill !

dongreen76

America is a center left country...
Winston Churchll never uttered a more true truism.
It is grossly incompetent and antithical to usher out and destruct a business in a capitalistic free market system - and it is also contrary to businesses basic reasons for existence(for profit) and to the ideal of having a flourishing prolific economy as oppose to a stagnated one.
A plan where a public option exist...and this public option should be as to make the private sector compete with the public option.Price competition is one of the five factors that are inherent or should be in any businessmans reportoir so far as running and maintaining a successful entrepreneurship -rather than eliminate the private sector. This !, every viable business person knows holds the prices down on the goods transacted and the services implemented.

eden

You are deliberately mis-characterizing my post. Try to be a little less hysterical and a little more pragmatic.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

Glad you are here to tell us about it. So far things have been good with me.

Cuda2020

That's a very cynical remark, there are many things run pretty darn well from the government that is much less if run by a for-profit enterprise. I find people don't realize the size of their undertaking and what it takes to have it run smoothly.

If you ever notice it is always the wealthy pointing out what the poor receive and not themselves. There's a reason why the 1% have all the cash.

Cuda2020

A free market for profit is fine until making profit from the sick. A for-profit healthcare system is a conflict of interest, don't you think?

1ProudAmerican

...and so who IS paying for them, Santa Claus?

eden

Exactly. We would not privatize the police or the fire department but somehow the healthcare “industry” has this country in a death grip. Something as personal as healthcare should be in the hands of the people. In Australia and New Zealand there are local hospital boards with members elected from the citizens. Where are the watchdogs over Kaiser and Blue Cross et al?