Universal healthcare (Page 4): The taxpayers. The same people that pay for emergency services like police and fire. Like to travel by plane? How about eliminating the FAA and...

eden

1ProudAmerican wrote:

...and so who IS paying for them, Santa Claus?

The taxpayers. The same people that pay for emergency services like police and fire.
Like to travel by plane? How about eliminating the FAA and privatizing individual airports so you can root out all this “socialism” once and for all and just pay as you get on the plane.
Truth is the Government does some things very well.

Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon

eden wrote:

The taxpayers. The same people that pay for emergency services like police and fire.
Like to travel by plane? How about eliminating the FAA and privatizing individual airports so you can root out all this “socialism” once and for all and just pay as you get on the plane.
Truth is the Government does some things very well.

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

padremike wrote:

"In 2017, U.S. health care costs were $3.5 trillion. That makes health care one of the country's largest industries. It equals 17.9% of gross domestic product. In comparison, health care cost $27.2 billion in 1960, just 5% of GDP. " $338 billion wouldn't begin to cover the cost.

but if you drop the inflated prices of supplies like staplers scissors etc and double adminstation costs for billing Medicare and private insurance . so cut a lot of waste and costs go down hopefully lol

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

eden wrote:

You are deliberately mis-characterizing my post. Try to be a little less hysterical and a little more pragmatic.

I have never been hysterical at any time in my life thank you !

peg w

I don't get that why it is popular in the U S to disparage the poor. Giving them health care is not a bad thing. The way things are going, the middle class will not be able to afford health care soon. If every other rich nation can afford healthcare why not us?

jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin

peg w wrote:

I don't get that why it is popular in the U S to disparage the poor. Giving them health care is not a bad thing. The way things are going, the middle class will not be able to afford health care soon. If every other rich nation can afford healthcare why not us?

The GOP answer to healthcare is to do nothing and blame everyone else lol

Seth

Coos Bay Tom wrote:

I have only lived in the USA. When I first starte... (show quote)

One of the many shortfalls is the fact that from the perspective of the left, who these days control the Democratic Party, we should all be forced to belong to a mediocre single payer system without any better, affordable options.

The "Affordable" Care Act (Obamacare) was a prime example.

Back when I was a blogger (the early 2000s) we had numerous debates about the issue, and several of my Canadian readers passed on horror stories as well as mentioning that many Canadians were more than willing to come down to the U.S. and pay for certain procedures while others had to come here in order to survive the Canadian healthcare system's wait times for diagnostics or treatments needed immediately.

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

eden wrote:

The taxpayers. The same people that pay for emergency services like police and fire.
Like to travel by plane? How about eliminating the FAA and privatizing individual airports so you can root out all this “socialism” once and for all and just pay as you get on the plane.
Truth is the Government does some things very well.

Should the Taxpayer be responsible all these people here illegally ?

Democrats want open borders should the Taxpayers be responsible for every free loader in the world who comes here illegally ?

We all know we have a legal way to come here so why not abide by the Law !

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/census-confirms-63-percent-of-non-citizens-on-welfare-4-6-million-households?fbclid=IwAR0RS-_Zm54hCDsAo6aX-aZTFAqBJw1zw0_xGPEPpJgQEOXVa6h0ChgGBGo

eden

jimpack123 wrote:

The GOP answer to healthcare is to do nothing and blame everyone else lol

Ask any Republican lawmaker what is the GOP Healthcare plan and you will hear......crickets.

Seth

eden wrote:

Ask any Republican lawmaker what is the GOP Healthcare plan and you will hear......crickets.

Let's see how that goes after the Democrats have been voted down to a minority in Congress later this year, so next year can start off without a lot of socialist obstruction.

eden

4430 wrote:

Should the Taxpayer be responsible all these people here illegally ?

Democrats want open borders should the Taxpayers be responsible for every free loader in the world who comes here illegally ?

We all know we have a legal way to come here so why not abide by the Law !

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/census-confirms-63-percent-of-non-citizens-on-welfare-4-6-million-households?fbclid=IwAR0RS-_Zm54hCDsAo6aX-aZTFAqBJw1zw0_xGPEPpJgQEOXVa6h0ChgGBGo

The short answer is no...but. The majority of those people estimated variously at around 11 million undocumented pay taxes for the most part, perform work that white Americans are unwilling to do and are less likely to commit crimes than the general population despite the lurid reporting of isolated crimes that are committed by illegal alien gangsters.

I’m not a Democrat but I have never heard of a Dem lawmaker advocate open borders.
I agree that they should only come here legally and their labor is wanted by employers but Congress cannot agree on what time of day it is let alone sit down and hammer out a comprehensive immigration policy with some sort of day or weekly work permit scheme.

The Washington Examiner is a yellow rag best used for fish wrap.

eden

Seth wrote:

Let's see how that goes after the Democrats have been voted down to a minority in Congress later this year, so next year can start off without a lot of socialist obstruction.

So you don’t want to comment on the fact that the GOP held both houses plus the White House for 2 years and achieved .....bupkis.

Truth is the GOP are do- nothing foot draggers just like they accuse the Democrats
of being.

Seth

eden wrote:

So you don’t want to comment on the fact that the GOP held both houses plus the White House for 2 years and achieved .....bupkis.

Truth is the GOP are do- nothing foot draggers just like they accuse the Democrats
of being.

Watch and see...

During the early part of his presidency, Trump was getting a ton of stuff done. He and the GOP can't do everything at once -- then along came a Democrat majority in the House. Once they've been dealt with by the voters, Trump and the Republicans can continue getting things done.

eden

Seth wrote:

Watch and see...

During the early part of his presidency, Trump was getting a ton of stuff done. He and the GOP can't do everything at once -- then along came a Democrat majority in the House. Once they've been dealt with by the voters, Trump and the Republicans can continue getting things done.

YOU.....are just too funny. ..”along came” ?
😁

Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle

eden wrote:

You are correct, and the associated costs fall heavily on those who do pay plus the administration costs of collection.
I have lived for a time in several western countries with universal health care and although no system is perfect what we have in the US is vulture capitalist medicine on steroids. If tiny countries like New Zealand and Taiwan can provide affordable health care to all citizens then what is perpetrated on the ordinary working American family is nothing short of a crime.

I wonder how many illegal immigrants are in New Zealand and Taiwan...How's that tolerance and multiculturalism working out in Taiwan I wonder. I don't see apples to apples.