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Mar 23, 2018 23:33:09   #
debeda
 
Manning345 wrote:
I do believe, as moldyoldy said of my comparison, "you have it exactly backwards in these charts!"


Well dear Nicky's list isn't exactly backward. It's just full of distortions which appears to be the democrats way. The line where the liberals take credit for the "interstate highway system ". President Eisenhower started the coast to coast interstate highway system and completed a great deal of it during his 8 years in office. What the democrats instituted and the conservatives objected to was the TOLLWAY system. Ya know those highways that we pay to drive on that started popping up in the 1960s? The ones that would no longer be tollways in 5 years when they were paid for? The ones that nearly 60 years later are apparently still not paid for because the price continues to increase? Yeah. Good job dems. Just like Reagan's earned income credit that was a godsend to the working poor. Fyi? Colleges, including ivy league colleges like Princeton, teach that it was Bill Clinton's bill. Cuz he continued it. Just another example of lefty distortions. And the sheeple buy it hook line and sinker.

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Mar 23, 2018 23:38:25   #
Nickolai
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
Ok now I will have my say.... I will first deal with your list on abortion.

1. Yes women do have a right to choose how to care for their bodies, they also have to accept the consequences of their actions and have a moral and legal obligation not to harm another........ aka the baby....... I realize it takes two to make a baby so the sperm donor should not get off the hook, but allowing a woman to abort a baby doesn’t take into consideration the baby, so her right to choose was when she chose to be sexually active...... now I know you want to scream “but what about rape?!” Well I can tell you that is an extremely small percentage of abortions, so you are ok with killing the other 900,000 babies for the few that are because of rape? This leads right into point two

2. Your thought process that life is determined by science or law is frankly a bit sickening. Now science can explain the life process and can even come up with a definition of when life begins, or several depending on who you ask, but I will tell you what I know about an unborn baby, not with scientific terms or political rhetoric but with a very personal story in my own life that happened about 8 months ago:

My oldest son and his wife were trying to have a baby and she got pregnant. She has a condition that they didn’t know about that affected the pregnancy and she miscarried at 12 weeks, way earlier then the abortion cutoff point just about everywhere as far as I know. Her doctor gave her a pill and said take it the night before they were going to bring her in to remove the dead baby....... they said she would experience a lot of bleeding and a lot of pain..... they failed to mention that the pill could make her deliver the baby before the procedure and sure enough, that’s exactly what happened. She had a terrible cramp, went and sat on the toilet and delivered the baby into the bowl. She wasn’t sure so who gets called at 11pm when he has to leave for work at 5am? You guessed it...... me....... I brought the baby out of the toilet and I got to hold my deceased grandson in my hand. I will tell you that I could count his ten fingers and ten toes and saw his nose and his eyes and his mouth and if for one second you think you can tell me that he was not a life then you are so blinded by a bunch of bull crap talking points and your own self serving beliefs that there really is no hope for you.
Ok now I will have my say.... I will first deal wi... (show quote)







The SCOTUS has ruled a fetus is not a person until it can survive outside the womb on its own It's that simple

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Mar 23, 2018 23:41:01   #
Nickolai
 
gaconservative74 wrote:
So what do you base right and wrong on? Everybody can’t choose for themselves what right and wrong is individually. You want to talk about the laws in the Old Testament and look at them from today’s standpoint but that is taking scripture out of context. No if I may, I will presume that you believe that bible promotes misogyny and that the Bible promotes maleness, which both are false.






The laws of the land as written by our elected representatives determine what is right and what is wrong so the people decide what is right from wrong

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Mar 23, 2018 23:43:01   #
debeda
 
Nickolai wrote:
What change has ever taken place with out a need for change ? I read a lot of history and it appeares to me that mst change occurs out of need for change the Progressive movement of the late 19th early 20th centuries did not come about just because-- it occured because of a vast need for reform


You are correct and are making my point for me. Thank you. The point is purposeful change to solve a problem or inequity...GOOD. Change just for the sake of change to show how "progressive " or "accepting " you are? CHAOS.

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Mar 23, 2018 23:46:30   #
debeda
 
Nickolai wrote:
The SCOTUS has ruled a fetus is not a person until it can survive outside the womb on its own It's that simple


Okay. By virtue of that ruling all people on life support are not people because they can't survive without the life support.

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Mar 23, 2018 23:49:01   #
Nickolai
 
king hall wrote:
You want a conservative's opinion? You ask what do I want the government to do for me? Answer the phone when I call for help. PERIOD! Allow me to offer this reasoning:

I remember being able to drive w/o a seatbelt. Auto manufactures offered seatbelts as an option as they had for years. Then one day Congress, influenced by a special interest group, decided that I wasn't smart enough to decide for myself any longer where my safety was concerned and made seatbelts mandatory.

NOW this is where it gets interesting. Liberals don't see what happens next but the socialist is high fiving each other. The infringement of Civil Liberties

You receive a citation *failure to secure seatbelt* you pay a fine. Please UNDERSTAND, due to the structure of our judicial system; as American citizens we cannot-we are not allowed, to pay a fine/penalty before we are convicted of a crime! (misdemeanor/felony makes no difference) Got that? You violated a criminal code you paid your fine. Are you thru paying? NO! Because of the special interest of the insurance companies that Congress allowed to piggy-back your auto-insurance provider has the option to DECREASE your driver-rating which it does w/o notice to your resulting in an increase of premium. This is your second fine for the one crime. Are you paid up now? NO! Again, thanks to Congress allowing for piggy-backing your personal credit rating is arbitrarily DOWNGRADED. This results in an increase in the cost of any and all consumer financing you may be involved with. Your third fine for one crime. How does this happen? As I said Special Interest Groups recognized by Congress. But why is any of this nonsense allowed? Because when you were stopped for your infraction of not wearing your seatbelt you were in fact placed under arrest and it is that arrest that marks you as a risk and therefore your insurance provider has the exposure that wasn't first addressed in your contract for services.
I can provide you with a 100 more real-life scenarios and each of them shows the same resulting factor...infringement on Civil Liberties. Conservatives value with their lives Constitutional Liberties, Dems Value their Constitutional Liberties on the monetary level. As American Citizens, Our issue is not nor has it ever been with whoever is show-boating on Pennsylvania Ave. but with Our Congress.
I want my government to answer the phone when I call. In return, I promise to call twice; when I enlist and when I die.
Thanks for listening
You want a conservative's opinion? You ask what do... (show quote)






You should find a deserted island some where and go live there then you can do any damned thing you want. With conservatives its all about Me, me, me, me, mine, mine, mine. If you people had you way humanity would still be living In caves and throwing rocks and sticks at each other. The New Deal brought reforms that lifted millions out of poverty and into the middle class now after 40 years of the nation moving to the right that middle class has been disappearing

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Mar 23, 2018 23:49:01   #
debeda
 
1ProudAmerican wrote:


...as seen with a slanted eye

"Can you show me that?"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-to-mccain-the-elections-over/

"rambling on"
The president was responding to McCain's comments in which he complained that the health care bill was not produced in the open, but "behind closed doors."
McCain complained of "unsavory" dealmaking to get the bill passed in the Senate, including promises to give special deals to residents of Louisiana, Nebraska and Florida.
He pointed to a number of issues, including the PhRMA deal and a provision mandating $100 million for a Connecticut hospital, asking "why should that happen?"
"People are angry," McCain said. "We promised them change in Washington, and what we got was a process that you and I both said we would change."
He called on Democrats to "go back to the beginning" and "remove all the special deals for the special interests and the favored few," adding that he favors a system in which "geography does not dictate what kind of health care."

Yah, THAT "rambling on"
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Aaaaaaand the TOP goes to 1 Proud American. And the crowd goes wild🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗

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Mar 23, 2018 23:51:16   #
debeda
 
debeda wrote:
Aaaaaaand the TOP goes to 1 Proud American. And the crowd goes wild🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗


TKO not TOP. Silly autocorrect wrecks everything....lol

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Mar 23, 2018 23:58:46   #
Nickolai
 
debeda wrote:
This is a pretty wacky list Nicky. I guess liberals just like to think they do everything and everything they do is good. So Dwight d. Eisenhower was a liberal????okee dokee then. Looney toon.






Dwight Eisenhower was probably A-political Both the Democratic and Republican parties asked him to run on their tickets for President. He choose to run on the Republican ticket because his father had been registered Republican. In a 1954 letter to his brother Edger Eisenhower he wrote You keep harping on the Constitution; I should like to point out that the meaning of the Constitution is what the Supreme Court says it is. Consequently no powers are exercised by the Federal government except where such exercise is approved by the Supreme Court (lawyers) of the land.

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid. No matter what the party is in power, it must perforce follow a program that is related to these general purposes and aspirations. But the great difference is in how it is done and, particularly, in the results achieved. So I would surmise Eisenhower was neither liberal nor conservative but a wise human being

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Mar 24, 2018 00:06:02   #
debeda
 
Nickolai wrote:
Dwight Eisenhower was probably A-political Both the Democratic and Republican parties asked him to run on their tickets for President. He choose to run on the Republican ticket because his father had been registered Republican. In a 1954 letter to his brother Edger Eisenhower he wrote You keep harping on the Constitution; I should like to point out that the meaning of the Constitution is what the Supreme Court says it is. Consequently no powers are exercised by the Federal government except where such exercise is approved by the Supreme Court (lawyers) of the land.

Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid. No matter what the party is in power, it must perforce follow a program that is related to these general purposes and aspirations. But the great difference is in how it is done and, particularly, in the results achieved. So I would surmise Eisenhower was neither liberal nor conservative but a wise human being
Dwight Eisenhower was probably A-political Both th... (show quote)


I agree about Eisenhower being a wise human. But you should put a disclaimer on your lists stating "Some or all of these good things were actually done by republicans. But they weren't really republicans they were good people. Therefore the Democratic party takes credit for their deeds."

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Mar 24, 2018 00:24:52   #
Nickolai
 
debeda wrote:
Well dear Nicky's list isn't exactly backward. It's just full of distortions which appears to be the democrats way. The line where the liberals take credit for the "interstate highway system ". President Eisenhower started the coast to coast interstate highway system and completed a great deal of it during his 8 years in office. What the democrats instituted and the conservatives objected to was the TOLLWAY system. Ya know those highways that we pay to drive on that started popping up in the 1960s? The ones that would no longer be tollways in 5 years when they were paid for? The ones that nearly 60 years later are apparently still not paid for because the price continues to increase? Yeah. Good job dems. Just like Reagan's earned income credit that was a godsend to the working poor. Fyi? Colleges, including ivy league colleges like Princeton, teach that it was Bill Clinton's bill. Cuz he continued it. Just another example of lefty distortions. And the sheeple buy it hook line and sinker.
Well dear Nicky's list isn't exactly backward. It... (show quote)






The Federal Aid Highway act was passed in 1956 It was passed by a Democratic congressional majority and named after Dwight Eisenhower who championed it. My first experience with a Toll Road was when I returned to my home state of Oklahoma in 1958 for my maternal grand mothers funeral. It was the first and only Toll Road I have ever seen we don't have Toll Roads in California. Bridge Tolls across the Bay that requires constant re painting with rust prohibitants but not roads. Road maintenance is paid for with taxes the EITC grew out of debates in the 1960's over the negative income tax and President Nixons Family Assistance Plan. The EITC was passed in 1975 and signed by President Ford it was changed with the Tax Reform bill of 1986 and Signed by President Reagan

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Mar 24, 2018 00:29:43   #
Nickolai
 
debeda wrote:
You are correct and are making my point for me. Thank you. The point is purposeful change to solve a problem or inequity...GOOD. Change just for the sake of change to show how "progressive " or "accepting " you are? CHAOS.




I spent 30 years of my life following the conservative mantra It was the study of history that was a great awakening for me eventually I had to ask my self--how could have been so ignorant ?

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Mar 24, 2018 00:30:38   #
Nickolai
 
debeda wrote:
Okay. By virtue of that ruling all people on life support are not people because they can't survive without the life support.





No this only applied to the unborn fetus

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Mar 24, 2018 00:55:12   #
Nickolai
 
debeda wrote:
I agree about Eisenhower being a wise human. But you should put a disclaimer on your lists stating "Some or all of these good things were actually done by republicans. But they weren't really republicans they were good people. Therefore the Democratic party takes credit for their deeds."





What deeds ? first we need to separate democrats and republicans and talk about liberals and conservatives. I'm assuming by Republicans you are referring to conservatives. Abolitionism, Anti trust laws, Food safety Laws, Women's suffrage, urban sanitation, 8 hr work day 40 hr week. unemployment ins. worker comp, FDIC, Wagoner Act, Social Security, the 30 year mortgage, the civil rights and voting rights acts, the end of Jim Crow, these are progressive reforms that have improved the lives of ordinary working class Americans. What have conservatives contributed by comparison nada zero zip America was buit on the backs of slaves and the bones of Native Americans and greed. Progressives bring civilization to civilization

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Mar 24, 2018 00:58:34   #
intel1919
 
Nope. I consider myself a "conservative" and I do not share any of your observations. Generally, I believe in "personal responsibility, limited government, & fiscal responsibility, strong defense of nation, pro-growth business and fair free-trade strategy to create jobs, while being smart with economy and environment". Everyone is equal, men and woman, all races, all religions. Respect the constitution and laws. Free speech, believe in God (or not), but I am fine with God being a faith and following, but not when extremisms are exercised.

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