So... about this Antifa group...
Aug 19, 2017 22:20:14 #
Aug 20, 2017 06:19:00 #
Randy131 wrote:
{"To those on the right, who seem to jump at ... (show quote)
Randy,
A great post. This is what I call the objective truth. I could not have said it better myself. Please post the rest of what you were talking about. I would love to read your take on it.
Aug 20, 2017 06:52:22 #
straightUp wrote:
I want to take a moment to issue my opinion about ... (show quote)
i think they should change it to antfeet ..i never heard of that group till charlottesville we dont need these hate groups anyway all they do is riot &now a women is dead b/c of it & the guy did it is part of obama group i seen - google - boom charlottesville police officer tells it all & see
we do not need stupid trolls in charge !!!!!!
Check out topic: NYPD to begin using Chinese drones in response to 911 calls..
Aug 20, 2017 07:21:04 #
meridianlesilie wrote:
i think they should change it to antfeet ..i never heard of that group till charlottesville we dont need these hate groups anyway all they do is riot &now a women is dead b/c of it & the guy did it is part of obama group i seen - google - boom charlottesville police officer tells it all & see
we do not need stupid trolls in charge !!!!!!
we do not need stupid trolls in charge !!!!!!
There is a reason why "Occupy Wall Street" had to dissolve before "BLM" could ooze from the sewer. They are the same nut-job leftist professional thug protesters.
They wear masks because of facial recognition. Because many of them are the same people.
The left's violent militant wing changes their names.. Nothing else changes much, except the level of violence and the level of anger and hatred toward the American people.
Aug 20, 2017 08:05:40 #
4430 wrote:
So how do you define Antifa ?
You do realize Antifa protesters are closest thing today to Nazi Brownshirts
You do realize Antifa protesters are closest thing today to Nazi Brownshirts
Yup! Optics and semantics have taken the day! When honest patriotism and love of country can be renamed "white nationalist", and everybody buys in, we have already lost America. We're about to get a real education on just what the term "remnant" means!
Aug 20, 2017 09:35:29 #
I had already posted it on the 1st page of this blog site, but here it is again, and it is not mine, but is from Denesh D'Sousa, who reserached it all and has it in his new movie that will be coming out very soon, if it hasn't already come out:
The American Left Is Now The Party Of Fascism !!! History Repeats It's-Self !!!
August 9, 2017
The American Left Is Now The Party Of Fascism. The Democrats’ 'big lie', blaming own Fascist sins on Trump and Republicans.
Dinesh D'Souza
http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/sick-twist-american-left-is-now-party-of-fascism/
We hear the word “fascist” a whole lot these days: Trump is a fascist, if not a Nazi; The Republican Party is the fascist party.
As for the left, the Democrats, they present themselves as the anti-fascists, the people fighting fascism. We can see this in the names of leftist groups like Antifa, which stands for anti-fascism. Yet, when we look around, we see the Democratic and leftist protesters who are disrupting the inauguration. Who are organizing violent rallies around the country, who are stopping campus speakers from speaking.
These are people who seem to be using fascist and Nazi tactics. The masked Antifa thugs carrying weapons seem eerily similar to the fascist Blackshirts and the Nazi Brownshirts.
So isn’t it strange that the people purporting to fight fascism resemble the fascists in shutting down speech. And disrupting democratic debate through the use, or threats, of violence?
We need to look at fascism more closely and ask: Is fascism really a phenomenon of the left or of the right? Let’s begin with the remarkable statement by Adolf Hitler in a 1927 speech. “We are socialists,” he said. “We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation and we are determined to destroy the system under all conditions.” Does that sound like Donald Trump? Actually, it sounds a lot more like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders.
Hitler changed the name of the German Workers Party to the National Socialist German Workers Party. He wanted to emphasize that the Nazis were socialists, and that Nazi economic policy involved complete state control of the private sector. Indeed, the very name Nazi is a compression of the two terms “national” and “socialist.”
All the leading figures of early fascism, not merely in Germany, but also in Italy, France and England – were men of the left. Most of them moved seamlessly from Marxism and socialism, to fascism and Nazism during the 1920s and 1930s.
Here are some examples. Jean Allemane, famous for his role in the Dreyfus case, one of the great figures of French socialism, became a fascist. So did the socialist organizer Georges Valois. Marcel Deat, the founder of the Parti Socialiste de France, eventually quit and started a pro-fascist party in 1936. Jaques Doriot, a French communist, moved his Parti Populaire Francais into the fascist camp. Belgian socialist writer Henri de Man transitioned into becoming a fascist theoretician. In England, Oswald Mosley, a socialist and Labor Party Member of Parliament, broke with the laborites because he found them insufficiently radical. He later founded the British Union of Fascists and became the country’s leading Nazi sympathizer.
In Germany, there was a similar traffic from socialism to fascism. To give a single example, the socialist playwright Gerhart Hauptmann embraced Hitler’s National Socialism and produced plays during the Third Reich. After the war, he called himself a communist and staged his productions in Soviet-dominated East Berlin.
In Italy, philosopher Giovanni Gentile moved from Marxism to become fascism’s leading intellectual. Many Italian labor organizers made the same journey: Ottavio Dinale, Tullio, Masotti, Carlo Silvestri and Umberto Pasella. The socialist writer Agostino Lanzillo joined Mussolini’s parliament as a member of the fascist party.
Nicola Bombacci, one of the founders of the Italian Community Party, became Mussolini’s top adviser in 1943.
Gentile’s disciple Ugo Spirito, who also served Mussolini, moved from Marxism to fascism and then back to Marxism. Like Hauptmann, Spirito became a communist sympathizer after World War II and called for a new “synthesis” between communism and fascism.
All of this is incomprehensible if fascism is considered somehow “right wing.” None of these men saw it that way. They didn’t “convert” from left to right. Rather, they viewed themselves as moving seamlessly from one form of socialism to another. From a purely class-based socialism to a broader form of socialism that took into account class as well as national loyalties.
We can see this in the example of Mussolini, who established the world’s first fascist regime in Rome, a decade before Hitler came to power. Mussolini was the leading Marxist in Italy, the recognized leader of Italian socialism. After his successful March on Rome, Lenin sent his congratulations, praising Mussolini as a fellow revolutionary on the left. Mussolini’s career shows how fascism grew out of Marxism. Marx had predicted that the increased impoverishment of workers would cause a socialist revolution to erupt in the most advanced industrial countries: Germany and Great Britain.
That didn’t happen. This created the famous “crisis of Marxism” in the late 19th and early 20th century. Out of that crisis came two new forms of socialism: Leninist Bolshevism and Mussolini’s Fascism.
“The foundation of fascism,” Mussolini writes in his “Autobiography,” “is the conception of the state. Fascism conceives the State as an absolute. In comparison to which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. For us Fascists, the State … represents the immanent spirit of the nation.” Replace the word “fascism” with “progressivism,” and we could be hearing these words recited at a Democratic National Convention.
Mussolini broke with Marx on a single point. Marx insisted that workers are loyal only to their class. “The working man,” Marxists liked to say, “has no country.” Mussolini knew that people are no less attached to their nation than to their occupation. Consequently, Mussolini, like Hitler, embraced socialism of a special kind, namely national socialism.
Like the Marxists, the fascists and the Nazis also embraced violence as a revolutionary concept. Nazi violence involved disrupting campus events, threatening and beating up dissenters. And enforcing a conformity of thought and practice in line with the regnant ideology. Notice the close similarity between this fascist bullying and the conduct of the American left today.
In ideology and in tactics, the American left today is the party of fascism. The only difference is that it denies its true pedigree. Their big lie is to blame their own sins on Trump and the Republicans. In a sick twist, the real fascists in America pretend to be anti-fascists. And accuse the true anti-fascists of being fascists.
The American Left Is Now The Party Of Fascism !!! History Repeats It's-Self !!!
August 9, 2017
The American Left Is Now The Party Of Fascism. The Democrats’ 'big lie', blaming own Fascist sins on Trump and Republicans.
Dinesh D'Souza
http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/sick-twist-american-left-is-now-party-of-fascism/
We hear the word “fascist” a whole lot these days: Trump is a fascist, if not a Nazi; The Republican Party is the fascist party.
As for the left, the Democrats, they present themselves as the anti-fascists, the people fighting fascism. We can see this in the names of leftist groups like Antifa, which stands for anti-fascism. Yet, when we look around, we see the Democratic and leftist protesters who are disrupting the inauguration. Who are organizing violent rallies around the country, who are stopping campus speakers from speaking.
These are people who seem to be using fascist and Nazi tactics. The masked Antifa thugs carrying weapons seem eerily similar to the fascist Blackshirts and the Nazi Brownshirts.
So isn’t it strange that the people purporting to fight fascism resemble the fascists in shutting down speech. And disrupting democratic debate through the use, or threats, of violence?
We need to look at fascism more closely and ask: Is fascism really a phenomenon of the left or of the right? Let’s begin with the remarkable statement by Adolf Hitler in a 1927 speech. “We are socialists,” he said. “We are the enemies of today’s capitalist system of exploitation and we are determined to destroy the system under all conditions.” Does that sound like Donald Trump? Actually, it sounds a lot more like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders.
Hitler changed the name of the German Workers Party to the National Socialist German Workers Party. He wanted to emphasize that the Nazis were socialists, and that Nazi economic policy involved complete state control of the private sector. Indeed, the very name Nazi is a compression of the two terms “national” and “socialist.”
All the leading figures of early fascism, not merely in Germany, but also in Italy, France and England – were men of the left. Most of them moved seamlessly from Marxism and socialism, to fascism and Nazism during the 1920s and 1930s.
Here are some examples. Jean Allemane, famous for his role in the Dreyfus case, one of the great figures of French socialism, became a fascist. So did the socialist organizer Georges Valois. Marcel Deat, the founder of the Parti Socialiste de France, eventually quit and started a pro-fascist party in 1936. Jaques Doriot, a French communist, moved his Parti Populaire Francais into the fascist camp. Belgian socialist writer Henri de Man transitioned into becoming a fascist theoretician. In England, Oswald Mosley, a socialist and Labor Party Member of Parliament, broke with the laborites because he found them insufficiently radical. He later founded the British Union of Fascists and became the country’s leading Nazi sympathizer.
In Germany, there was a similar traffic from socialism to fascism. To give a single example, the socialist playwright Gerhart Hauptmann embraced Hitler’s National Socialism and produced plays during the Third Reich. After the war, he called himself a communist and staged his productions in Soviet-dominated East Berlin.
In Italy, philosopher Giovanni Gentile moved from Marxism to become fascism’s leading intellectual. Many Italian labor organizers made the same journey: Ottavio Dinale, Tullio, Masotti, Carlo Silvestri and Umberto Pasella. The socialist writer Agostino Lanzillo joined Mussolini’s parliament as a member of the fascist party.
Nicola Bombacci, one of the founders of the Italian Community Party, became Mussolini’s top adviser in 1943.
Gentile’s disciple Ugo Spirito, who also served Mussolini, moved from Marxism to fascism and then back to Marxism. Like Hauptmann, Spirito became a communist sympathizer after World War II and called for a new “synthesis” between communism and fascism.
All of this is incomprehensible if fascism is considered somehow “right wing.” None of these men saw it that way. They didn’t “convert” from left to right. Rather, they viewed themselves as moving seamlessly from one form of socialism to another. From a purely class-based socialism to a broader form of socialism that took into account class as well as national loyalties.
We can see this in the example of Mussolini, who established the world’s first fascist regime in Rome, a decade before Hitler came to power. Mussolini was the leading Marxist in Italy, the recognized leader of Italian socialism. After his successful March on Rome, Lenin sent his congratulations, praising Mussolini as a fellow revolutionary on the left. Mussolini’s career shows how fascism grew out of Marxism. Marx had predicted that the increased impoverishment of workers would cause a socialist revolution to erupt in the most advanced industrial countries: Germany and Great Britain.
That didn’t happen. This created the famous “crisis of Marxism” in the late 19th and early 20th century. Out of that crisis came two new forms of socialism: Leninist Bolshevism and Mussolini’s Fascism.
“The foundation of fascism,” Mussolini writes in his “Autobiography,” “is the conception of the state. Fascism conceives the State as an absolute. In comparison to which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. For us Fascists, the State … represents the immanent spirit of the nation.” Replace the word “fascism” with “progressivism,” and we could be hearing these words recited at a Democratic National Convention.
Mussolini broke with Marx on a single point. Marx insisted that workers are loyal only to their class. “The working man,” Marxists liked to say, “has no country.” Mussolini knew that people are no less attached to their nation than to their occupation. Consequently, Mussolini, like Hitler, embraced socialism of a special kind, namely national socialism.
Like the Marxists, the fascists and the Nazis also embraced violence as a revolutionary concept. Nazi violence involved disrupting campus events, threatening and beating up dissenters. And enforcing a conformity of thought and practice in line with the regnant ideology. Notice the close similarity between this fascist bullying and the conduct of the American left today.
In ideology and in tactics, the American left today is the party of fascism. The only difference is that it denies its true pedigree. Their big lie is to blame their own sins on Trump and the Republicans. In a sick twist, the real fascists in America pretend to be anti-fascists. And accuse the true anti-fascists of being fascists.
samtheyank wrote:
Randy,
A great post. This is what I call the objective truth. I could not have said it better myself. Please post the rest of what you were talking about. I would love to read your take on it.
A great post. This is what I call the objective truth. I could not have said it better myself. Please post the rest of what you were talking about. I would love to read your take on it.
Aug 20, 2017 09:48:01 #
Manning345 wrote:
Seems that both sides in C'ville came ready to rum... (show quote)
Well said Manning and Welcome as well..
Ripping down our statutes that have stood for years in symbolic gesture to the history of our country will not change the history of it.. unless of course they also impose blocking books of our history from teaching students as well.. To allow one is to see the disease spread to the next level..
I am disgusted by the effort and do not support it one bit!!
The wants of the few over the will of the many equal further division and escalation to a potentially dangerous change in the course of direction and patience..
Nothing is achieved in this act. And it's about time we stop all these childish division we create for ourselves based on what this government really want to achieve. Which is in fact obstruction, diversion, and most assuredly division...
One may ask why now after all this time and never received an answer. The only real answer to it is the progressives intent to change the foundation of our country. To change it's history. To force their will against the will of the majority....To make us all collectively equal and program into us the fact individualism is not tolerated in this country any longer. To that I say BS capitalized BS!!
Aug 20, 2017 09:57:57 #
Randy131 wrote:
I had already posted it on the 1st page of this bl... (show quote)
As is your norm, another outstanding post!!!
There is nothing strange going on, it's all intended to chip away at our foundation as a country while converging their progressive Marxism front and center!!!
Remember they want us all equal, they don't want individualism, and they certainly don't want us achieving in this nation....
Dare they lose us, they lose the ability to control us! !!! I say yea buddy let's do it!!! Don't give them what they want....Resist as we have to in order to protect and defend our nation.....Stand of the fittest and fed up with the garbage produced by the progressives, it is time to be especially assertive in letting it be known we are fed up....
There are laws on the books to prohibit removal of the statute or defaming them or breaking them ietc.. why are we not enforcing these laws? Again those appointed to defend and protect the laws of this land used to usurp their responsibilities. Accordingly, they should be dismissed from office... Not only dismissed, should be charged. Dereliction of duty that amounts to inciting riots, getting people killed, or damaging our statues or artifacts must be stopped.
Aug 20, 2017 10:50:11 #
Randy131 wrote:
Well thank you PoppaGringo, but the whole truth and nothing but the truth is always well respected, unless you're a fascist with a different and violent agenda.
pardon me
just what constitutes the whole truth Randy
The left's version of what happened?
or the right's version?
Will we ever know the whole truth?
We can listen to the right and get told it's all the left's fault
Then the left tells us it was the right who caused the mess
looks to me that people believe what they want to believe
Aug 20, 2017 11:53:59 #
badbobby wrote:
pardon me
just what constitutes the whole truth Randy
The left's version of what happened?
or the right's version?
Will we ever know the whole truth?
We can listen to the right and get told it's all the left's fault
Then the left tells us it was the right who caused the mess
looks to me that people believe what they want to believe
just what constitutes the whole truth Randy
The left's version of what happened?
or the right's version?
Will we ever know the whole truth?
We can listen to the right and get told it's all the left's fault
Then the left tells us it was the right who caused the mess
looks to me that people believe what they want to believe
Good Morning Bobby.. People do believe their own conclusions and will not deviate from it.. This forum a perfect example of such...
What I fail to understand is the total shut down to any other suggestion made just trying to debate the issue.. Narrow mindedness keeps us in a hole blocked from the reality of the world!!!
Aug 20, 2017 12:20:17 #
Bobby, the "whole truth" is in all the facts, ingested with common sense, and not with prejudice.
How come the Charlottesville violence occurred exactly how the Berkley campus violence did.
Why were the protesters (those who were supposedly peacefully protesting against the rally march of and for supporting the preservation of our historical statues and monuments, that was planned far in advance and had to apply twice to get a permit to march) masked-up to hide their identities, and armed themselves to go to what they claim was going to be a peaceful protest, the exact same modus operandi of those who had protested at the Berkley campus in California, which consisted of the same protest groups, the BLM and AntiFa, which was also turned into a riot where property was destroyed and people physically harmed?
Were some of the same BLM and AntiFa members attending the Charlottesville protest march, also attend the Berkley campus protest march, because both protest marches ended up in riots, by masked and armed people attacking and assaulting other people, that were there for a different reason than protesting, but for rallying people to support the preservation of our historic statues and monuments instead of protesting anything?
The BLM and Antifa said that the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right were protesting the destruction of those historic statues and monuments, but that is a lie, because those historic statues and monuments had not been taking down and destroyed by the authorities yet, because a judge halted them from doing so, because of a federal lawsuit that was filed to stop it from happening days before the rally march was scheduled, and whatever actions that had been planned had to wait until after this lawsuit was settled.
Another fact that is not being reported on is that the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right groups could not muster-up as many people that were attending that rally march, which was being done peacefully when it first started, and the extra people had to be regular citizens, like myself who wanted those historic statues and monuments preserved.
So who instigated the violence, with attacks and assaults on the people that they hate, because the reason for the rally march had no hate for anyone involved in it, but only the hope to rally enough people to speak up and get their politicians to take action to preserve those historic statues and monuments, while the protesters came to confront those rally marchers, who set up their rally march long before the event, and took all legal actions to get a permit to proceed with their planned rally march. Is this the modus operandi of those who plan violence on the people of that city?
This violence creating a riot out of a protest march is the proven modus operandi of the two groups, BLM and AntiFa, that came to confront the rally marchers in Charlottesville, as they had also done at their Berkley campus protest march, and also turned it into a riot where public and private property was destroyed, and people that didn't agree with BLM and AntiFa were physically attacked and assaulted. So if you were not involving yourself in the riot, that proved to the BLM and AntiFa that you didn't agree with them, so you were then pointed out to become, and were made, a victim of the attacks and assaults. Then they also denied everyone their constituional rights of free speech and peaceful assembly, by not allowing anyone to speak up that didn't agree with them, using violence to prevent such opposing speech, as the planned speakers on the Berkley campus were not allowed to give their far in advance planned speeches.
Now when the attacks and assaults were instigated by some of the groups against the other groups, the other groups started fighting back, not only defending themselves, but they also agressively went after the original attackers, and they are the ones that are getting blamed for the violence, because of their agressive defense against those who provoked them with the original attacks and assaults, while the people who didn't want to be part of the violence started clearing out, but was then attacked and assaulted by both sides of these warring groups.
Therefore both sides share some guilt, but to be honest, the instigators who came to start a riot by attacking and assaulting those that they came to confront, should bear the lions share of the guilt, but are being held innocent by the liberal biased media because they are advocates of the liberal, progressive, and Democratic causes, as the Democratic Party has embraced them, despite the fact that they have called for the murder of our police officers, and all white people.
If that isn't exactly how the Charlottesville incident, that was turned into a riot, occurred, it's pretty damn close, and common sense would dictate who the real guilty groups are, by the facts that brought all this, and these groups, together, and what they had supposedly planned to do, rally or confront, you choose the guilty party.
I personally detest and abhor both sets of groups, because I'm against what both sets of groups stand for, because both sets of groups are racist bigots, but one set proclaims to be conservative and Christian, while the other set are advocates for the liberals, progressives, and Democratic Party which has embraced them both, despite their call for murder of our police officers and white people, and is why you'll never hear anything bad or against the BLM and AntiFa from the liberal biased mainstrem media, who keep the facts hidden from you that they don't want you to see or learn about, so when an atrocious incident of violence occurs, you'll take the side of their advocates, because you wont have all the facts to make an intelligent and correct decision as to who is to blame, you won't have the "whole truth".
How come the Charlottesville violence occurred exactly how the Berkley campus violence did.
Why were the protesters (those who were supposedly peacefully protesting against the rally march of and for supporting the preservation of our historical statues and monuments, that was planned far in advance and had to apply twice to get a permit to march) masked-up to hide their identities, and armed themselves to go to what they claim was going to be a peaceful protest, the exact same modus operandi of those who had protested at the Berkley campus in California, which consisted of the same protest groups, the BLM and AntiFa, which was also turned into a riot where property was destroyed and people physically harmed?
Were some of the same BLM and AntiFa members attending the Charlottesville protest march, also attend the Berkley campus protest march, because both protest marches ended up in riots, by masked and armed people attacking and assaulting other people, that were there for a different reason than protesting, but for rallying people to support the preservation of our historic statues and monuments instead of protesting anything?
The BLM and Antifa said that the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right were protesting the destruction of those historic statues and monuments, but that is a lie, because those historic statues and monuments had not been taking down and destroyed by the authorities yet, because a judge halted them from doing so, because of a federal lawsuit that was filed to stop it from happening days before the rally march was scheduled, and whatever actions that had been planned had to wait until after this lawsuit was settled.
Another fact that is not being reported on is that the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right groups could not muster-up as many people that were attending that rally march, which was being done peacefully when it first started, and the extra people had to be regular citizens, like myself who wanted those historic statues and monuments preserved.
So who instigated the violence, with attacks and assaults on the people that they hate, because the reason for the rally march had no hate for anyone involved in it, but only the hope to rally enough people to speak up and get their politicians to take action to preserve those historic statues and monuments, while the protesters came to confront those rally marchers, who set up their rally march long before the event, and took all legal actions to get a permit to proceed with their planned rally march. Is this the modus operandi of those who plan violence on the people of that city?
This violence creating a riot out of a protest march is the proven modus operandi of the two groups, BLM and AntiFa, that came to confront the rally marchers in Charlottesville, as they had also done at their Berkley campus protest march, and also turned it into a riot where public and private property was destroyed, and people that didn't agree with BLM and AntiFa were physically attacked and assaulted. So if you were not involving yourself in the riot, that proved to the BLM and AntiFa that you didn't agree with them, so you were then pointed out to become, and were made, a victim of the attacks and assaults. Then they also denied everyone their constituional rights of free speech and peaceful assembly, by not allowing anyone to speak up that didn't agree with them, using violence to prevent such opposing speech, as the planned speakers on the Berkley campus were not allowed to give their far in advance planned speeches.
Now when the attacks and assaults were instigated by some of the groups against the other groups, the other groups started fighting back, not only defending themselves, but they also agressively went after the original attackers, and they are the ones that are getting blamed for the violence, because of their agressive defense against those who provoked them with the original attacks and assaults, while the people who didn't want to be part of the violence started clearing out, but was then attacked and assaulted by both sides of these warring groups.
Therefore both sides share some guilt, but to be honest, the instigators who came to start a riot by attacking and assaulting those that they came to confront, should bear the lions share of the guilt, but are being held innocent by the liberal biased media because they are advocates of the liberal, progressive, and Democratic causes, as the Democratic Party has embraced them, despite the fact that they have called for the murder of our police officers, and all white people.
If that isn't exactly how the Charlottesville incident, that was turned into a riot, occurred, it's pretty damn close, and common sense would dictate who the real guilty groups are, by the facts that brought all this, and these groups, together, and what they had supposedly planned to do, rally or confront, you choose the guilty party.
I personally detest and abhor both sets of groups, because I'm against what both sets of groups stand for, because both sets of groups are racist bigots, but one set proclaims to be conservative and Christian, while the other set are advocates for the liberals, progressives, and Democratic Party which has embraced them both, despite their call for murder of our police officers and white people, and is why you'll never hear anything bad or against the BLM and AntiFa from the liberal biased mainstrem media, who keep the facts hidden from you that they don't want you to see or learn about, so when an atrocious incident of violence occurs, you'll take the side of their advocates, because you wont have all the facts to make an intelligent and correct decision as to who is to blame, you won't have the "whole truth".
badbobby wrote:
pardon me
just what constitutes the whole truth Randy
The left's version of what happened?
or the right's version?
Will we ever know the whole truth?
We can listen to the right and get told it's all the left's fault
Then the left tells us it was the right who caused the mess
looks to me that people believe what they want to believe
just what constitutes the whole truth Randy
The left's version of what happened?
or the right's version?
Will we ever know the whole truth?
We can listen to the right and get told it's all the left's fault
Then the left tells us it was the right who caused the mess
looks to me that people believe what they want to believe
Aug 20, 2017 12:43:36 #
Huck
Loc: The Midwest
straightUp wrote:
I want to take a moment to issue my opinion about ... (show quote)
Aug 20, 2017 12:44:44 #
Linda my Joy, you are just too astute for me to be able to give you anything new, in facts or occurences, you are always right on top of everything, and have a very intelligent mind to use those facts to figure out what is really going on, which means you possess tons of 'Common Sense'. That's why I'm glad to see you on OPP, to help disseminate truthfulness of facts honestly, to help those who are uninformed, and who need to know the "real and whole truth", which you seem to be able to carry around in your pocket, and disburse it whenever needed, you are truly a GODsend. These people don't know how lucky they are to have you on this site, which makes me think that I am not needed here, but enjoy what you have to say too much to leave from here. You are always so complete in what you have to offer, that there is nothing that I need to, or can give, to add to what you have always already said. You humble me, for which GOD knows that I need, and I suspect that may have something to do with our meeting and our sharing of thoughts and feelings. Hope to talk with you again later, but also very soon.
lindajoy wrote:
As is your norm, another outstanding post!!! br b... (show quote)
Aug 20, 2017 12:45:52 #
Huck
Loc: The Midwest
StraightUp –
I want to start by telling you that you have written a very accurate and comprehensive piece that I agree with totally. Now comes the However part: What you don’t say is that the ACLU always wins because they take cases that are constitutionally right, but always favors the left. Oh yes, they have their token right wing cases to claim impartiality, but they are basically considered a left wing organization and I believe rightly so.
In order to ask you the next question I have to express my despicable hatred For the KKK and all White Supremacy organizations in order not to be accused of supporting them and hopefully you’ll believe me. However, I need to ask if you can document a time in recent history when either these two or any other rightwing organization that were marching and demonstrating legally wherever - threw the first punch? I’ve watched many of these protests that have erupted into violence and yet to see the radical, so-called rightwing group, start the fight. As hated as they are they had every right to protest legally whatever without hindrance from radical leftwing groups, but for reasons you should know well, they are always given the blame.
Regardless of how we feel personally about these groups, right or left, the blame has to be honestly placed where it belongs. The stupid sap that ran over and killed a lady happened after a long day of rioting and did not cause the initial eruption. Do you know who started it?
Overall StraightUp, your post appears to have an overall slightly blue haze surrounding it. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Huck
I want to start by telling you that you have written a very accurate and comprehensive piece that I agree with totally. Now comes the However part: What you don’t say is that the ACLU always wins because they take cases that are constitutionally right, but always favors the left. Oh yes, they have their token right wing cases to claim impartiality, but they are basically considered a left wing organization and I believe rightly so.
In order to ask you the next question I have to express my despicable hatred For the KKK and all White Supremacy organizations in order not to be accused of supporting them and hopefully you’ll believe me. However, I need to ask if you can document a time in recent history when either these two or any other rightwing organization that were marching and demonstrating legally wherever - threw the first punch? I’ve watched many of these protests that have erupted into violence and yet to see the radical, so-called rightwing group, start the fight. As hated as they are they had every right to protest legally whatever without hindrance from radical leftwing groups, but for reasons you should know well, they are always given the blame.
Regardless of how we feel personally about these groups, right or left, the blame has to be honestly placed where it belongs. The stupid sap that ran over and killed a lady happened after a long day of rioting and did not cause the initial eruption. Do you know who started it?
Overall StraightUp, your post appears to have an overall slightly blue haze surrounding it. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Huck
Aug 20, 2017 13:00:32 #
lindajoy wrote:
Good Morning Bobby.. People do believe their own conclusions and will not deviate from it.. This forum a perfect example of such...
What I fail to understand is the total shut down to any other suggestion made just trying to debate the issue.. Narrow mindedness keeps us in a hole blocked from the reality of the world!!!
What I fail to understand is the total shut down to any other suggestion made just trying to debate the issue.. Narrow mindedness keeps us in a hole blocked from the reality of the world!!!
And a very good morning to you, Linda. You are so right about the narrow-mindedness of some people on both sides. One should try to keep an open mind to any logical conversation. Since Trump was elected to become President it seems to me the loyalists of the Democratic party have gone mad. I sincerely hope they can regain their sanity before it destroys this great country. Hope you have a great day in the sun today.
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