Big Bass

Two wrongs make a right? Hmmm. FYI: they also hate white people. Does that mean you believe all white people are haters??

straightUp Loc: California

And yet they still haven't found ANY hard evidence to prove or even suggest that ANY illegal votes were counted. Meanwhile, I've been following the investigative reports on anti-fraud systems since 2015. These systems, such as the one being run by Kris Kobach, which was supported by Trump when he was still a candidate, focus on cancelling any votes cast by people on what is essentially a secret list maintained by the system itself. The problem, as shown by leaked portions of the list show that many on the list are actually valid legal voters. Meanwhile, investigations into Russian influence on the election are revealing that it's systems like these that were being hacked. As far as I know, there is no proof that the Russian influence actually succeeded but the intention is clear.

So, I guess what I'm saying is that the evidence so far established has indicated the opposite problem to what you are suggesting... Not so much the addition of illegal votes, but the subtraction of legal votes.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

BS. Ballots are by nature untraceable.

Democrats are in a panic. They've lost over 1,000 elected statewide offices since Obama took over as POTUS.

They oppose ending all illegal voter registrations.
They oppose purging dead people from voter registration rolls.
They opposed purging felons from voter registration rolls.
They oppose purging illegal aliens from voter registration poles.

This is not a coincidence. They know they need the votes.

The only racial argument against voter IDs is that minorities are too stupid or lazy to get a free ID.

Seriously try to think about this like a rational person.

You're suggesting that a country that gives out hundreds and hundreds of billions of $s in benefits to poor people can't get them an ID?

Or... Are you saying they have no idea who's getting the benefits because they don't have ID?

If the recipients of these hundreds of billions of dollars don't have IDs that might suggest some of the fraud involved in these?

straightUp Loc: California

I think you're getting confused... Most of the antifa *ARE* white people. (Just because someone is wearing black doesn't make them a black person. lol) This might surprise you but not all white people are white supremacists. Some white people are willing (and apparently eager) to fight white supremacy. Don't be surprised, it was mostly white people from the North that fought a war against white supremacy in the South (and we know who won that one).

Again, I don't agree with their methods (at least not yet) but I don't have any delusions about antifa being anything but a reaction to white supremacists. I consider it an example of stooping down to a lower level... in this case the violent and stupid level that white supremacists have been operating on for years. (65 people killed by domestic right-wing extremists since 9-11-01... so far, no one has been killed by left-wing extremists in that time frame and I hope it stays that way.)

Sacramento is currently considering a "street gang" classification for all groups involved, including antifa AND the right-wing extremist groups. I agree with this designation for all of them. Apparently, there are state laws on the books that would give law enforcement agencies new tools for dealing with these groups if they are indeed classified as such.

straightUp Loc: California

That's a lot of bullshit there Dave...

I don't have time right now to destroy your argument the way I usually do... Maybe after work. In the meantime, here's a link so at least you know what I'm talking about because I know Fox News didn't tell you anything about this.

https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/uncovering-kris-kobach’s-anti-voting-history

Big Bass

A specious argument. Many blm movement supporters are white, too. That doesn't stop them. What these individuals are is best described as trouble-making anarchists. And this includes any group hellbent on causing violent disruption of peaceful protests - regardless of what side they say they are. I, along with any peace-loving citizen, do not associate with any of these hate-mongers.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

I guess I'll just consider myself lucky that you don't have time to destroy my argument.

Why you're at work see if you can make up some way to deflect away from my post.

straightUp Loc: California

I support benevolent peace, not tyrannical peace. I am also a white supporter of (and donor to) BLM. You can blabber all you want about the crap coming out of fake news channels about BLM "violence"... It's that babbling that sells their stories and that's why they fabricate them. Truth is... unlike antifa, BLM is an actual organization with offices, accounts and legal council. They abide by the law. They advocate awareness of racial profiling as a means to affect legal change through the democratic process provisioned in the U.S.Constitution.

Not every gangsta in the city is a member of BLM, country boy. Maybe you haven't heard - most of the homocides involving black victims were committed by other blacks. The phrase, "Black Lives Matter", is as much a message to their own people as it is to law enforcement and pseudo-apartheid politics. I've always understood that but I see a lot of white folks whining about how white lives matter too.

Yeah, no shit. And when we see the government prohibiting white people from voting or being around certain places... When we see law enforcement brutalizing white people and getting away with it... well, then we would have some reasons to remind people that white lives matter too.

straightUp Loc: California

Well, at least your sense of humor is getting better...

Ready?


Ballots are not the target. I hope you weren't actually thinking that ballots are the only way to fix an election. Do you EVER get exposed to the investigations or are you limiting your entire awareness to just what Fox and Friends tells you? All the investigations not just on the Russia probe but previous investigations on Kobach's bullshit... they all show obvious attempts to compromise the list of legitimate voters.

They can't tell which WAY you vote... but they can tell if you DO vote.

And they can prevent it, by flagging your name just like a no-fly list. Lot's of citizens also mail in their votes... You don't think their names are on the envelopes? Oops, that name has a flag, toss it out... That easy. They apparently don't even notify the voter... so for future reference, don't trust the mail in ballot.


According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, the number is 1034, including governorships as well as federal and state level legislatures. Democrats are concerned but the panic is fiction. First of all, this is normal. Our election history oscillates from one extreme to another. The game is to minimize the damage until the voters swing back left, which takes me to the second point... Trump is a gift. At no point since the 70's has the left been so politically active. Trump's defiling of our nation's highest office is a catalyst to a left-wing rebound. You can disagree with me all you want... but I'll be interested in how the mid-terms go.


That's a lie. The truth is there have been numerous voter suppression schemes that use "voter fraud" as an excuse. THAT is what Democrats oppose.


I never heard of such a thing. I bet you can't prove it.


I don't think that's a position all Democrats agree on.


That's just straight up bullshit.


Republicans have a long history of fixing elections... usually though their constant gerrymandering and support for biased voter fraud "verification systems". So yeah, Democrats (who got more legitimate votes than the Republicans did in 2016) know how desperate the Republicans have been to sabotage as many Democratic votes as possible. So yes, they do have an interest in protecting their legitimate voters.


Some of them are... I suppose those are the ones you are thinking of... the worst examples streaming across your propaganda feed, rather than the doctors and engineers that are mostly minorities now. How does it feel when 70% of the world doesn't fit into your idiot picture?


So, you want me to figure it out for you then? ;)


Really? Don't you have a few extra brain cells you plug in so you can think it through just long enough to at least realize that it's not a matter of cost or ability but a matter of manipulating the data?

;)

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Your conspiracy nuttery is as bad as Steve700Club.

Tell us about the great black vote suppression scheme. Tell us how people that have little trouble as a group getting government assistance can't manage to get an ID.

Yes, BLM and Antifa are organized, and well funded thug groups. I've never suggested otherwise. That's how the Klan used to be. It's how the mafia is still. It's how small groups of people impose their will on larger groups.

They are Anti-American.

straightUp Loc: California

'cmon Dave, no one is as bad as Steve700... Besides, I'm not swearing that any of these conspiracy theories are true, even though I think they probably are. I'm just pointing out the possibilities that you insist on ignoring. Voter suppression has been proven in elections around the world time and time again... It's actually exceedingly common and none of the proven cases have involved the hacking of ballot boxes. So when you suggested that ballot boxes can't be traced as if that was enough to disprove voter suppression there was an obvious call to point out your error.


It's not about getting an ID. Seriously, are you THAT dense? Does everything I say go right over your head? Did you read ANY of that article about voter suppression I sent you? Do you need it on a 3rd grade reading level? 'Cause seriously, if you actually understood what I posted or any part of the article I linked to you wouldn't have to ask that question because it's already been answered.

Then again, it's all rhetorical isn't it? You don't really want to know about voter suppression because that doesn't fit your fantasy.

Here's what I think Dave (and I could be wrong but this is the impression you give me nevertheless)... I think for you, all these issues are nothing more than bait for trolling. When I see that, paired with your obvious attitude it becomes pretty easy to make the assumption that what drives you is racial resentment. You just hate black people and you're too much of pussy to admit it.

or... maybe you really are just incredibly stupid. I don't know and I really don't care.


antifa isn't organized nor is it funded.. Why don't you do some research before you say such stupid things? ...(Oh, yeah... troll bait.)


Oh, the anti-American insult. Anything you don't like is anti-American. zzzz. Ya know, America has ALWAYS been an example of small groups imposing their will on larger groups, that is in fact the very foundation of America and it always has been. What do you think the Electoral College is all about?

Just to let you know I am very proud NOT to be a patriot... so you can save the anti-American trolling for someone who gives a shit.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Your handlers did a superb job of indoctrinating you. Kudos to them.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Don't worry. Trump's wall won't keep you in.