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Jun 2, 2016 17:12:53   #
Nickolai
 
oldroy wrote:
I am not a Democrat either but used to vote for them all the time. In 1972 they nominated a man, George McGovern who surely was a socialist who I heard promise a number of California delegates to the DNC that he would work for a guaranteed annual wage of either $5200 or $5600 which was too much socialist thinking for me to accept. I promised myself that I would never vote for that man and that very night they nominated him. I never was a registered Democrat but didn't get to vote in any of our primaries because I wasn't registered. I have not voted, or even come close to voting, for a Democrat for President since that year because every one they nominated was always just a bit too much socialist for me.

I forgot, I was registered as a Democrat for about 2 months several years ago when I wanted to help a former student, a Democrat, get nominated for the State House of Representatives. I changed back as soon as the election was over.
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Mc Govern would have made affine President he was a good man a straight shooter unlike the crook I voted for Richard Nixon. It was during Nixon's Administration that the decline of the middle class began and we didn't even realize it at the time. Until then as productivity increased so did the incomes across all income classes after 1973 productivity continued to increase and the incomes of the upper crust continued and soared after Reagan was elected but the income of a non supervisory working class worker has been flat since 1973

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Jun 2, 2016 17:15:16   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Nickolai wrote:
The only honest candidate and not connected to the establishment is Bernie Sanders


Nickolai-I'm afraid Bernie is more of an establishment man than you think. Believe that once the rigged Dem. primary is over, Bernie will probably fall in line behind Hillary because that is what the establishment expects him to do. If I am wrong and he is truly non establishment he will deny Hillary his support, and that of his followers, and remain a true independent. Trump is only one candidate running who is an outsider and will bring about real change to Washington, D.C. . Good Luck America !!!

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Jun 2, 2016 17:18:21   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Tradition wrote:
Alicia - I have posted on this site a couple of years now and have never read such vile insults as those from liberals. Their attitude seems to emanate from a better-than-thou perspective. In lieu of their attitude, it never ceases to amaze me how liberals are unable to see the forest for the trees.

This morning, TV coverage of the gorilla who, unfortunately, had to be killed because a child accidentally fell into his habitat, was still rife. Comparisons were made to the coverage given that fatality vs. the 72% of murders and 88% rise in shootings of people in Chicago during the first three months of this year. Yes, that's true!! But why is it happening?
Democrat Mayor, Rahm Emanuel, former White House chief of staff to Obama, was elected mayor of Chicago in 2011. Why hasn't he gotten a handle on the violence in all this time. Could it be because, on July 7, 2012, Democrat Emanuel, announced a “Welcome to Chicago Ordinance” establishing the Windy City as a Sanctuary City for illegal aliens. Chicago thus joining some 60 localities across the United States that currently choose NOT to enforce the Federal Rule Of Law on DEPORTATION of illegal aliens. Or could it be because of the influx of Mexican gangs; drugs; illegal, unvetted aliens; the Obama Administration's release of tens of thousands of felons from our prisons - including murderers, kidnappers, rapists, and assaulters; otherwise known as - the Obama Administration's Fundamentally Changed America.

When it comes to Hillary, she is attempting to soften her callous remarks to the miners of West Virginia regarding the loss of their jobs by justifiying her comments. She mentions the prospect of jobs in "green energy" for the miners. Well, must we go down the list of the billions (yes, that's with a "B") of taxpayer dollars Democrat Obama lost; just an example - Solyndra, Solar, and the latest - which bills itself as the largest green energy company in the world, Sun Edison, now heading for bankruptcy. I fear the West Virginia miners would be waiting a looooooong time for those jobs.

Benghazi was Hillary's paradigm of "dereliction of duty;" Americans DIED because of her lack of response to the 600 pleas made by Ambassaor Stevens regarding the need for increased security at the Benghazi consulate. She actually DECREASED security! She TESTIFIED: "I did not see these requests. They did not come to me. I did not approve them. I did not deny them." WOW!!! If that was the truth, then she was too incompetent to be SOS, let alone President. What kind of State Department was she running anyway?

Now, for those women who consider Hillary their CHAMPION: Clinton's advocacy for women is so deceitful, so dishonest, that it defies credulity. Hillary is the champion of women's rights. Sure she is!!! The Bill, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation has accepted tens of millions of dollars in donations from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Algeria and Brunei — all of which the State Department has faulted over their records on sex discrimination and other human-rights issues. WOMEN'S ADVOCATE? SHE IS A HYPOCRITE - A GREEDY HYPOCRITE.

Hillary's email scandal is indicative of her ruthlessness. Two phones were too much for her to carry, and so she has the temerity to justify that by ADMITTING it was "inconvenient" for her; a testament to her indifference toward the safety of our military. Our men and women on deployment have to carry from 60 to 90 lbs. of gear into combat and she would endanger them because two phones are an inconvenience? What kind of a mother is she? Did she consider, even for a moment, that in jeopardizing NATIONAL SECURITY by using an unsecured server, our soldiers could be injured, maimed, or even suffer the ultimate sacrifice? These are the same brave men and women who put their lives on the line for her?!! Did she, for a moment, question how imprudent it was to have Chelsea's wedding plans transferred over the same device as National Security - or did she even care "what difference it made?"

As far as what kind of a "lady" she is - try this on for size:
http://selwynduke.typepad.com/selwyndukecom/hillary-clintons-vulgar-m.html

Alicia - could you really watch with pride as Hillary and Bill stand in front of the White House revealing to the world that this is the best we can offer? I don't care what political party they have adopted - isn't the reputation of our America more valuable than the millions they have usurped from her? America deserves so much more that this corrupt couple who covet cash more than conscience.

Do I trust Trump? Well, at the very least I know he wasn't responsible for the deaths of any of our military and that's a heck of a lot more than I can say for Hillary or her ex-president of a husband.
Alicia - I have posted on this site a couple of ye... (show quote)


Tradition-great post !

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Jun 2, 2016 17:27:20   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Ricko wrote:
Tradition-great post !


I have to agree with you completely. That was one great post but I know some here who don't like it enough to read all of it.

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Jun 2, 2016 17:31:07   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Nickolai wrote:
Mc Govern would have made affine President he was a good man a straight shooter unlike the crook I voted for Richard Nixon. It was during Nixon's Administration that the decline of the middle class began and we didn't even realize it at the time. Until then as productivity increased so did the incomes across all income classes after 1973 productivity continued to increase and the incomes of the upper crust continued and soared after Reagan was elected but the income of a non supervisory working class worker has been flat since 1973
Mc Govern would have made affine President he was ... (show quote)


I see that you weren't watching TV that afternoon at the DNC. The California delegation was made up of about 60% welfare people and they sure enough did have him trapped on a staircase demanding their guaranteed annual wage of $5600. Back then that would have been a quite handsome wage for doing nothing but voting for him and those of his party. I had never seen him as a socialist before that day but unless he feared for his life that afternoon I wonder why he said he would work for that kind of pay for non-workers.

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Jun 2, 2016 17:33:05   #
PeterS
 
Ricko wrote:
Nickolai-I'm afraid Bernie is more of an establishment man than you think. Believe that once the rigged Dem. primary is over, Bernie will probably fall in line behind Hillary because that is what the establishment expects him to do. If I am wrong and he is truly non establishment he will deny Hillary his support, and that of his followers, and remain a true independent. Trump is only one candidate running who is an outsider and will bring about real change to Washington, D.C. . Good Luck America !!!
Nickolai-I'm afraid Bernie is more of an establish... (show quote)

How is he going to bring about change in Washington? He has to work with Washington to get anything done. Didn't you know that?

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Jun 2, 2016 17:35:50   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Nickolai wrote:
The only honest candidate and not connected to the establishment is Bernie Sanders


Bernie is right in there with the government of Venezuela, isn't he? If so, the establishment of the Democrat party must be too socialist for me.

Nikki, you just keep throwing out things like support for what has happened to Venezuela. If that isn't support for Commies, what is it?

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Jun 2, 2016 17:38:30   #
PeterS
 
buffalo wrote:
Haven't you guys figured out there is only one political party in the US. That is the corporate party. The democrat establishment is merely its left arm and the republican establishment is merely its right arm. Both arms are controlled by Wall Street banks and corporations. They normally don't care which arm's candidate the voting sheople put in office, as the establishment will still call the shots. Trump, with his populist ascent, is not controlled by that establishment and is scaring the hell out of them. The debt continues rising and out of control, the US is always in a continual state of illegal, unConstiutional, immoral warmongering or selling weapons to foreign countries, whether friend or enemy, both for billions in profits for the military industrial corporations and banks, a shrinking middle class, the elite 1% continue year in and year out to get richer no matter what the economy is doing, which is why I think it and the stock market are purposely manipulated, banking, big pharma and health insurance write their own legislation, illegal immigration...on and on never changes does it? No matter which arm (dem or repub) is in the majority in DC. 40 years of a bush or clinton in the White House or administration, what has been the difference, other than the rhetoric (LIES)? Why do the sheople want bitch clinton? She is just another establishment puppet and will continue all of the above.
Trump doesn't even have a sorry record holding a public office for which to judge him by. Clinton's is so sorry I don't know how anyone could be stupid enough to support her. I'll gamble on Trump to maybe change the direction this country is headed.
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What's wrong with the corporate party. They provide the jobs don't they? So doesn't that mean they merit worship?

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Jun 2, 2016 17:39:14   #
Radiance3
 
oldroy wrote:
Bernie is right in there with the government of Venezuela, isn't he? If so, the establishment of the Democrat party must be too socialist for me.

Nikki, you just keep throwing out things like support for what has happened to Venezuela. If that isn't support for Commies, what is it?


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Send Bernie to Venezuela. His brain will fit in there.

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Jun 2, 2016 17:53:30   #
amadeus
 
jelun wrote:
Perhaps you should have titled the thread
HOW MANY TRULY STUPID PEOPLE DO WE HAVE ON OPP?

YOU one of them???????????????/

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Jun 2, 2016 17:55:46   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
amadeus wrote:
YOU one of them???????????????/


She/he/it is shooting to be at the top of the list.

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Jun 2, 2016 18:01:13   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Hemiman wrote:
She/he/it is shooting to be at the top of the list.


It sure sounds like it.

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Jun 2, 2016 19:25:45   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Your so wrong. Hillary is a Marxist in democrat clothing. Check out her background as far back as 1971. Saul Alinsky, marxist. Wrote her college thesis on good ole' Saul, author "Rules for Radicals" Did her internship for two lawyers, members of the Communist party in Oakland. http://www.nysun.com/national/hillary-clintons-radical-summer/66933/ Please read this, Alicia.

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I read it and believe that you're cherry picking those things with which you would LIKE to influence me. Did YOU read the entire article? I think not. The only thing I see that sounds like the present Hillary is that she is evasive. I see her as one who avoids taking a stand unless she is forced into it as she had done before Sanders attacked her on this same evasiveness. The rest of the article is "he said, she said." I'm sure she felt fortunate, as a 23-year-old, to be accepted for an internship. They're hard to come by. At that age she was in the same position as many of our youth are today - positive, liberal-minded and progressive. It's too bad that she cannot show that part of herself. But, I guess, she has been in politics too long - and definitely is to greedy.

Sorry, but you have not convinced me that she is a Marxist. Want to try again?

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Jun 2, 2016 19:34:33   #
Zombiefarmer23 Loc: Bull Hills
 
Alicia wrote:
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I read it and believe that you're cherry picking those things which you would LIKE to influence me. Did YOU read the entire article? I think not. The only thing I see that sounds like the present Hillary is that she is evasive. I see her as one who avoids taking a stand unless she is forced into it as she had done before Sanders attacked her on this same evasiveness. The rest of the article is "he said, she said." I'm sure she felt fortunate, as a 23-year-old, to be accepted for an internship. They're hard to come by. At that age she was in the same position as many of our youth are today - positive, liberal-minded and progressive. It's too bad that she cannot show that part of herself. But, I guess, she has been in politics too long - and definitely is to greedy.

Sorry, but you have not convinced me that she is a Marxist. Want to try again?
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Hey, zoo. This one pulls the same deflection bull that our dear friend glucose does. Do not waste your time.

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Jun 2, 2016 19:38:35   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Ricko wrote:
Nickolai-I'm afraid Bernie is more of an establishment man than you think. Believe that once the rigged Dem. primary is over, Bernie will probably fall in line behind Hillary because that is what the establishment expects him to do. If I am wrong and he is truly non establishment he will deny Hillary his support, and that of his followers, and remain a true independent. Trump is only one candidate running who is an outsider and will bring about real change to Washington, D.C. . Good Luck America !!!
Nickolai-I'm afraid Bernie is more of an establish... (show quote)

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I must disagree with you. Bernie has already stated that if Hillary desires the support of his followers, "she must work for it!" On the other hand, should Clinton get the nomination, Bernie will back her (after getting some concessions) because he ultimately dislikes Trump and, as he said, "will do anything to fight Trump." Therefore he will personally work against Trump. He has stated that "he can't make decisions for his followers." It is Bernie's actions that probably will influence his follower but he will not allow himself to straight out TELL them what to do. To me, that defines a "true independent."

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