The Carrier Air Conditioning Bribe! (Page 3): Well, the past 8 years of getting 'focked' by Obama's Administration did nothing but increase the sale of Prep H, but it didn't help.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

Cool Breeze wrote:

Have you counted for inflation? Trying to run government like a private business is a recipe for disaster. It feels good while you're getting focked.

Well, the past 8 years of getting 'focked' by Obama's Administration did nothing but increase the sale of Prep H, but it didn't help.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

A little update on this.. Only minute ago read some more info..

Talks with carrier have gone on for 15 months..

This particular round of talks began last summer. Before Trump was a candadate for office.

Details of the agreement are scarce, and the Indianapolis Star reported overnight that many workers will very likely “still be laid off.”

But for the workers whose jobs appear to have been saved, it’s still unambiguously good news. The president-elect will head to Indiana tomorrow to celebrate the deal, take credit for the negotiations that began earlier this year (long before he even won the Republican nomination), and point to the progress as proof of Trump’s ability to boost American manufacturing.

There is, however, an important catch.

In this case, Trump didn’t use his self-professed expertise in negotiations to reach a compromise with Carrier. Rather, he and the state of Indiana gave Carrier lots of money through state “incentives” and tax breaks in order to convince the company to stay.

That, in and of itself, isn’t especially controversial. Cities, counties, and states do this all the time to keep companies happy before they pick up and go somewhere else. But it’s not the basis for a sustainable, national manufacturing strategy: the Trump administration can’t run around throwing grants and tax breaks at every CEO who’s thinking about moving production jobs out of the country.

Indeed, there’s an Economics 101 problem: if companies are led to believe the government will give them money to stay in the United States, every employer, whether they have outsourcing plans or not, will have a strong incentive to call up the Trump White House and say, “Give us a sweet, taxpayer-financed deal or we’re out of here.”

There is no scenario in which the Republican administration says yes to each of them.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for those Hoosiers who’ll keep their jobs. I also understand the benefits of a political p.r. campaign: Trump will hail himself as a hero for effectively bribing Carrier to only lay off some of its Indianapolis workforce.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

permafrost wrote:

A little update on this.. Only minute ago read some more info..

Talks with carrier have gone on for 15 months..

This particular round of talks began last summer. Before Trump was a candadate for office.

Details of the agreement are scarce, and the Indianapolis Star reported overnight that many workers will very likely “still be laid off.”

But for the workers whose jobs appear to have been saved, it’s still unambiguously good news. The president-elect will head to Indiana tomorrow to celebrate the deal, take credit for the negotiations that began earlier this year (long before he even won the Republican nomination), and point to the progress as proof of Trump’s ability to boost American manufacturing.

There is, however, an important catch.

In this case, Trump didn’t use his self-professed expertise in negotiations to reach a compromise with Carrier. Rather, he and the state of Indiana gave Carrier lots of money through state “incentives” and tax breaks in order to convince the company to stay.

That, in and of itself, isn’t especially controversial. Cities, counties, and states do this all the time to keep companies happy before they pick up and go somewhere else. But it’s not the basis for a sustainable, national manufacturing strategy: the Trump administration can’t run around throwing grants and tax breaks at every CEO who’s thinking about moving production jobs out of the country.

Indeed, there’s an Economics 101 problem: if companies are led to believe the government will give them money to stay in the United States, every employer, whether they have outsourcing plans or not, will have a strong incentive to call up the Trump White House and say, “Give us a sweet, taxpayer-financed deal or we’re out of here.”

There is no scenario in which the Republican administration says yes to each of them.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for those Hoosiers who’ll keep their jobs. I also understand the benefits of a political p.r. campaign: Trump will hail himself as a hero for effectively bribing Carrier to only lay off some of its Indianapolis workforce.

A little update on this.. Only minute ago read som... (show quote)

How about some legitimate, verifiable details rather than speculation and opinions?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Cool Breeze wrote:

If you don't stay on Your knees you might lose yours.

You really are taking this badly.

I can't predict the future, but you should make plans to emotionally deal with American prosperity, just in case.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

PoppaGringo wrote:

How about some legitimate, verifiable details rather than speculation and opinions?

Pop,

Do not have anything yet that i feel is without question... I find this interesting so am going to keep an eye on it.. If anything worth posting comes up, I will do that..

J.A.F.I.1946

Hey NOT SO cool breeze. You really have a way with words. Not. Name calling shows me your lack of education is obvious. Smart, intelligent people don't resort to your sophomoric childish behavior.
Again, show some respect to your President. If you can't show respect to the President Elect...STFU...btw if your candidate had been the best candidate...well...thats now a moot point. just thinkin

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

Ricko wrote:

reconreb-this is nothing more than BS by the panic... (show quote)

vernon

Cool Breeze wrote:

Trunp has made history. Even before officially tak... (show quote)

It must make you pricks sick when trump light years ahead of you, every thing you guys come up with he has already done or it's being done .

Cool Breeze

PoppaGringo wrote:

How about some legitimate, verifiable details rather than speculation and opinions?

Hypocrite much? How about you presenting some?

Cool Breeze

J.A.F.I.1946 wrote:

Hey NOT SO cool breeze. You really have a way with words. Not. Name calling shows me your lack of education is obvious. Smart, intelligent people don't resort to your sophomoric childish behavior.
Again, show some respect to your President. If you can't show respect to the President Elect...STFU...btw if your candidate had been the best candidate...well...thats now a moot point. just thinkin

Shush Your face! AT EASE!

righty Loc: Tenn

permafrost wrote:

A little update on this.. Only minute ago read some more info..

Talks with carrier have gone on for 15 months..

This particular round of talks began last summer. Before Trump was a candadate for office.

Details of the agreement are scarce, and the Indianapolis Star reported overnight that many workers will very likely “still be laid off.”

But for the workers whose jobs appear to have been saved, it’s still unambiguously good news. The president-elect will head to Indiana tomorrow to celebrate the deal, take credit for the negotiations that began earlier this year (long before he even won the Republican nomination), and point to the progress as proof of Trump’s ability to boost American manufacturing.

There is, however, an important catch.

In this case, Trump didn’t use his self-professed expertise in negotiations to reach a compromise with Carrier. Rather, he and the state of Indiana gave Carrier lots of money through state “incentives” and tax breaks in order to convince the company to stay.

That, in and of itself, isn’t especially controversial. Cities, counties, and states do this all the time to keep companies happy before they pick up and go somewhere else. But it’s not the basis for a sustainable, national manufacturing strategy: the Trump administration can’t run around throwing grants and tax breaks at every CEO who’s thinking about moving production jobs out of the country.

Indeed, there’s an Economics 101 problem: if companies are led to believe the government will give them money to stay in the United States, every employer, whether they have outsourcing plans or not, will have a strong incentive to call up the Trump White House and say, “Give us a sweet, taxpayer-financed deal or we’re out of here.”

There is no scenario in which the Republican administration says yes to each of them.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for those Hoosiers who’ll keep their jobs. I also understand the benefits of a political p.r. campaign: Trump will hail himself as a hero for effectively bribing Carrier to only lay off some of its Indianapolis workforce.

A little update on this.. Only minute ago read som... (show quote)

Link please.... you stated talks started 15 months ago yet, it hasn't even been a year that Carrier announced possibly moving to Mexico.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

righty wrote:

Link please.... you stated talks started 15 months ago yet, it hasn't even been a year that Carrier announced possibly moving to Mexico.

This is the link to the article that most of this came from..

15 months..... That did not sound correct to me either.. that came from a short piece that I decided is BS... "bypartison news" or something... started popping up on my news a week or two ago and do not think it is a good site.. Fake news??

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dont-miss-the-fine-print-trumps-carrier-news?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Big Bass

permafrost wrote:

This is the link to the article that most of this came from..

15 months..... That did not sound correct to me either.. that came from a short piece that I decided is BS... "bypartison news" or something... started popping up on my news a week or two ago and do not think it is a good site.. Fake news??

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dont-miss-the-fine-print-trumps-carrier-news?cid=sm_fb_maddow

Rachel Maddog? Are you serious?? You must believe in the healing powers of snake-oil.

Ricko Loc: Florida

permafrost wrote:

For sure, I have noticed that.. Must be that only Democrats are capable of sin....

This is something I would like to know all the details about.. What was Pence roll in this...

As to Pence a saw a headline that the cabinet is a dream for Pence.. Maybe he will run the nation while Trump and the kids hunt for more gold..

permafrost-believe you will see the lights on in the Oval Office from early morning until late at night. Trump is known to be a workaholic and since he will have something to prove to America you can count on him putting in long hours. The man is obviously not doing this for money as he has all he needs. His children are running the conglomerate so he is free and could have chosen to live at ease and in luxury. Instead, he volunteered to do what is basically a thankless and very demanding job. If he can make America better for everyone, why would we not at least give him a chance to do so ? I believe Pence is a great choice for VP and you are possibly correct that it could be he who got Carrier on board . I will be sorely disappointed if Trump does not give this his all. Good Luck America !!!

CDM Loc: Florida

permafrost wrote:

A little update on this.. Only minute ago read some more info..

Talks with carrier have gone on for 15 months..

This particular round of talks began last summer. Before Trump was a candadate for office.

Details of the agreement are scarce, and the Indianapolis Star reported overnight that many workers will very likely “still be laid off.”

But for the workers whose jobs appear to have been saved, it’s still unambiguously good news. The president-elect will head to Indiana tomorrow to celebrate the deal, take credit for the negotiations that began earlier this year (long before he even won the Republican nomination), and point to the progress as proof of Trump’s ability to boost American manufacturing.

There is, however, an important catch.

In this case, Trump didn’t use his self-professed expertise in negotiations to reach a compromise with Carrier. Rather, he and the state of Indiana gave Carrier lots of money through state “incentives” and tax breaks in order to convince the company to stay.

That, in and of itself, isn’t especially controversial. Cities, counties, and states do this all the time to keep companies happy before they pick up and go somewhere else. But it’s not the basis for a sustainable, national manufacturing strategy: the Trump administration can’t run around throwing grants and tax breaks at every CEO who’s thinking about moving production jobs out of the country.

Indeed, there’s an Economics 101 problem: if companies are led to believe the government will give them money to stay in the United States, every employer, whether they have outsourcing plans or not, will have a strong incentive to call up the Trump White House and say, “Give us a sweet, taxpayer-financed deal or we’re out of here.”

There is no scenario in which the Republican administration says yes to each of them.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for those Hoosiers who’ll keep their jobs. I also understand the benefits of a political p.r. campaign: Trump will hail himself as a hero for effectively bribing Carrier to only lay off some of its Indianapolis workforce.

A little update on this.. Only minute ago read som... (show quote)

I (too) would like to see the details of what the true tax incentives are regarding Carrier. None of us has any clue what has been done. For my part I think we have had enough misinformation, misdirection and outright lies to last a life time. Facts that don't come from partisan media of any kind would be too good to be true, so to speak.