watchout

One of the first lessons in Republican Training Classes is to memorize the conclusions and assessments of Republican politicians and media mouths. The second lesson involves learning to project the party's politicians' faults onto the other party. Any loyal Republican follower has mastered these techniques. They are useful for cutting off unsettling conversation and for raising the follower's self-esteem.

faithistheword

You mean like the democrats now want barry to do?? Sorry, but we're not the paranoid, delusional ones in this mess.

faithistheword

The old Alinsky/barry standard cop-out--blame the Republicans for what we're doing. You've learned your lesson well, watchout. BTW--watchout for your own self--it will hit you, too!

faithistheword

Do you realize how many people--the few who are still working, and would be stuck paying for this awful mess--would cheer if it gets repealed?? It's time the free-loaders paid their own way!

bluejacket

I am going to explain this to you in a reasonable way , one there are more people working now than any time since the crash of 2008 , the economy is much better than since that time, yes the ACA has some glitches on the internet but other means are working and all aspects are getting better , the ACA is the only plan put forward that allowed the uninsured access to health insurance , 44 million were priced out of the market , and those freeloaders you mentioned over 90 percent of them have jobs and a goodly percentage have two jobs so they are not freeloaders just poor. Even now it looks as though the ACA is containing costs and is accelerating enrollment , in a year or better it will be running fairly smoothly , so please gentle down your words

Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan

Okay, I have read your tirade and now I am going to put forth a reasonable explanation to some of your points.

1. Nowhere did I say the list I wrote would be the final definition of what America's health care industry should look like. I would never claim I know every aspect or concern others may have. I am sure there may be some compromises here and there to fit most American's needs. If you have ideas you would like to propose for consideration, then by all means do so should ObamaCare meet the demise it so richly deserves.

2. Having policies across state lines would help a lot. In fact, the more choices everyone has, the better. If competition is robust, then companies will vie for your money as all companies do already for other goods and services. This sure beats begging a few companies to provide you with a policy that screws you only a little for their substandard coverage. You know a good deal when you see one and I don't want your choices limited in any way.

3. HSAs don't solely help the very wealthy. You're assuming you can't put aside a few dollars for yourself and your family. Again, I want you to be able to form an HSA if you choose.

4. For pre-existing conditions, we can come up with ideas to address that problem. What about an insurance pool much like car insurance should your record indicate you can't afford a traditional policy? Maybe you can come up with something better? Reasonable people working together to address an issue can come up with a viable solution, right?

5. As for 26 year olds on their parent's policy, that is ridiculous. However, if the young adult was going to college and still a dependent on their parent's income tax, I would suppose most people would think it's reasonable to keep him/her covered.

6. As for caps on profits, limits on coverage and other facets of the industry, wouldn't you agree that this is EXACTLY what the free market addresses by default? If it didn't, McDonald's would be selling Big Macs that earn $100 on each sandwich; GM could charge an extra $50,000 a vehicle and a typical airline ticket would cost more than $20,000. Remember, the companies want you to spend your money on their services. Price and quality do matter greatly to the consumer.

Now I have a couple questions for you to consider:

1. ObamaCare - would you, in any way, consider that as "reform" of the medical industry? Republicans have been advocating reforms like the ones I have suggested, not hand it over to the government. The socialists have wanted this takeover for more than 50 years. They cheated and won in Congress while the American people lose big time.

2. Would you say the doubling of premiums (or more) good for America's families?

3. Do you think the average person feels better knowing the IRS is on guard protecting the government from people who can't afford the high premiums and outlandish deductibles?

4. Would you agree with the Democrat leadership and Obama that you and everyone else is entirely too stupid to make the right choices for themselves and their family? Would you agree America is comprised of 313 million dim bulbs that desperately need Big Government to take choices out of the insurance industry for them?

5. Do you consider providing abortions on demand and birth control a valid medical need - that your higher premiums are to subsidize this without regard to your personal beliefs including your godly faith or your belief in personal responsibility?

6. Do you think having millions of people thrown out of work or having their work week reduced to 28 hours is good for the country thanks to the implementation of ObamaCare and all the associated costs?

I can tell you one thing and hopefully it will register in your mind: ObamaCare is NOT about health care at all - it's about CONTROL of your life and your choices. We can do better for more people without having your life controlled by bureaucrats and socialists. An open and honest dialog would accomplish much, but it will be difficult because there are many like me who have no faith in the Democrat leadership at all - they earned it. Wouldn't it be nice to have this open debate as Americans instead of political theater? All it would take is honor to get the ball rolling.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Better check the score card.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jun/01/scorecard-economy-obama/

votenoobama Loc: Texas

Don't blame the Republicans. The whole blame is squarely on the Democrats and Obama. The Republicans where trying to keep Obamacare from its start up because, they all knew it was a Train Wreck. Even the Democrats was calling Obamacare a Train Wreck.
The problem that came out of it was Obama and the Democrats were trying to harm Americans and cause Americans hardship. That is the Obama and Democrats way, make Americans suffer until they give in. Is this the people, the Democrat Party and Obama who YOU want to Lead America????

Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan

I heard an interesting statistic the other day: 90% of the jobs created under this regime have been part time jobs. You can add the millions of people who had their hours cut to 28/week so their employers didn't have to pay into ObamaCare.

Additionally, don't look at the unemployment numbers because they are fudged royally. "Seasonally adjusted" means the government has screwed with the actual numbers so it doesn't look so bad. Instead, take a hard look at the actual employed numbers (they are fudges, too) get a different perspective.

Just to show you how things aren't as they seem, get a load of this line from the Labor Department:

"Both the number of unemployed persons, at 11.3 million, and the
unemployment rate, at 7.3 percent, changed little in October. Among the unemployed, however, the number who reported being on temporary layoff
increased by 448,000."

Okay, the unemployment rate stayed the same while adding nearly a half million idle workers. The stats are obviously cooked. It gets better.

"The civilian labor force was down by 720,000 in October. The labor force participation rate fell by 0.4 percentage point to 62.8 percent over the month."

Okay, you take out nearly a million people out of the workforce and that makes the unemployment numbers steady, right? The following site has a graphical representation of current trends: http://hotair.com/archives/2013/11/12/the-shrinking-labor-force-participation-rate/.

All I'm trying to get you to understand is the employment rates this regime puts out is akin to the former Soviet Union's breaking news they had yet another bumper crop of grain from their collective farms while every ship that could float was sitting in U.S. and Canadian ports buying grain. The less you trust this regime, the smarter and better prepared you are.

ObamaCare is bad for America, bad for business and bad for our citizens. We can do much better than what the socialist stooges in Washington are cramming down your throat.

astrolite

Your claims Sound good, but they are just that! Claims by the Obama administration? And you forget the democrats refused to allow ANY amendments to Obamacare! As Reid blocked over 200 job producing bills from the House! While you were blaming the repubs for the unemployment! And of course even those figures were lies, exposed last week, another lie! Along with twisting the figures: deleteing those who ran out of unemployment comp. from the roles of unemployed! And deleteing those who gave up looking, and those who decided to accept retirement when they couldn't find another job, Figures may not lie...but liars sure do! Again you choose to believe the "Great One" who is a proven liar. Do you ever get tired of covering for a crook and liar?

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

We haven't been at 7.3 is awhile, more like 14-15 and after Obamacare it will only be higher. Just another way of control! It's good for the insurance industry because of all the bs on each each and every policy.

1OldGeezer

Bluejacket,
When you think about it, The ACA SHOULD have been defunded and REPEALED just as the Republicans asked. If the Democrats really wanted to improve health care, instead of grabbing for total CONTROL of the system and businesses they would have done that then (instead of later when it can't be avoided).
I think it was worth being FALSELY blamed for the shutdown just to get the proper message out to the people. I, personally, would accept the price paid for the value of the message. In this context, the shutdown was simply a price that had to be paid.
This follows the Obama maxim, "never let a good deed go unpunished".
1oldgeezer

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Just think of the embarrassment the democrats caused themselves by not shutting it down. People have already had a small taste and the reviews aren't very good and then they put it off until after the election, looks like their up to something even to the low information voter.

Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan

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astrolite

Sorry but you just made that up, those are the talking points of the administration, all false. You sound like an intelligent person, but you either fall for the lies of the Obamamites or you are trying to get us to believe the democrat lies! I think you know better, the only indication is "You are a liberal". In that context that is as much an insult as you calling us conservatives.