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Nov 26, 2013 09:14:04   #
astrolite
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
But there are a lot of tin-foil hat wearers who swear that he is working behind the scenes to have that overturned ... or that he will declare martial law before the next election. Yep...some of your compatriots believe that!


You saw the website, although you didn't look for an archive to see what it started as, before it was watered down. But you deny it because you want to believe it doesn't exist? You also know what happened in Honduras, and watched Obama's reaction to that, but you deny it, again because you wish it wasn't true..you want to believe Obama wouldn't do such a thing? And with all the preparations for martial law, I would think overwhelming evidence, again you wish it wasn't true, and then You believe it wasn't true. THAT is the proof that liberalism is a mental health disorder!

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Nov 26, 2013 09:18:13   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
Just a note to help you understand how a chief warrant officer is addressed. The Army calls its CWO's "chief" when addressing them. The Navy calls them "mister" or "warrant officer." The difference is because Navy CWO's all had to be chief petty officers before getting commissioned, and chief petty officers are called "chief". When I drive through the gates at the Army's Ft Belvoir, I don't correct the civilian security guards who check my ID and tell me, "Have a good day, Chief." When I am addressed as "Chief", it feels as if I am being addressed by my former enlisted rank, though I am actually just as proud of having been a chief petty officer as I am of having been a chief warrant officer.
Just a note to help you understand how a chief war... (show quote)


You confuse me again . You say you are proud of being a "chief petty officer" as you are "chief warrant officer.
Both start with 'Chief" but you think its important to 'Correct" me but not your civilian security guard for calling you chief ?
Since your are re-tired from the Navy , I really think you are no longer either 'Chief " .
When I re-tired after 33 + years at a large corporation , I would never refer to myself as Supervisor Big Mac although that was my title!
I respect any and all persons who gives their time and resources and sacrifice to serve in our Military to protect citizens of the U.S.
This forum should be more about what or how and ideas how to fix our problems than bickering back and forth between two people .

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Nov 26, 2013 09:29:42   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
astrolite wrote:
Aren't they the same person?


Pretty much the same , most politicians are Lawyers or have a law background .

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Nov 26, 2013 09:40:03   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Break down of what they were before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_111th_United_States_Congress#Occupational_background


Bigmac495 wrote:
Pretty much the same , most politicians are Lawyers or have a law background .

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Nov 26, 2013 10:39:12   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 


Thanks for the link look up . Interesting , for the record slightly less than half are lawyers .

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Nov 26, 2013 11:20:15   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
But still too many but then one has to look at what type of people would even want to do this crap.


Bigmac495 wrote:
Thanks for the link look up . Interesting , for the record slightly less than half are lawyers .

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Nov 26, 2013 14:27:08   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
Dave wrote:
Are you suggesting I cherry picked a bit of a fact? Are you suggesting I skewed the truth? Are you capable of citing something more specific, or was you disgust general, or perhaps you support using the families?


Silence is consent - but not sure what he's consenting to - disgust for using the families or support for using them -

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Nov 26, 2013 15:40:30   #
faithistheword
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
You confuse me again . You say you are proud of being a "chief petty officer" as you are "chief warrant officer.
Both start with 'Chief" but you think its important to 'Correct" me but not your civilian security guard for calling you chief ?
Since your are re-tired from the Navy , I really think you are no longer either 'Chief " .
When I re-tired after 33 + years at a large corporation , I would never refer to myself as Supervisor Big Mac although that was my title!
I respect any and all persons who gives their time and resources and sacrifice to serve in our Military to protect citizens of the U.S.
This forum should be more about what or how and ideas how to fix our problems than bickering back and forth between two people .
You confuse me again . You say you are proud of be... (show quote)




AMEN, BigMac --sometimes it seems like I hacked into someone's Email account!

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Nov 27, 2013 08:59:40   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
bmac32 wrote:
I THINK it may be. 28 years at the time for him and he retired at 30 years. Best anything I worked for bar none.


I'm not sure if Navy protocol references are available on the internet, but I will do a quick search.

I am almost 100% certain that the only two, protocol-correct salutations to a Navy CWO are "Mister" and "Warrant Officer." Other salutations adopted by specific communities are nothing more than slang...not that there's anything wrong with that; just that you wouldn't use them in official documents or settings. I am just telling you what the official protocol was when I was on active duty as a CWO more than 20 years ago. I made myself certain about it both because I was one, and I needed to know whether a subordinate was addressing me improperly, and because one of my duties on the 4-star staffs on which I served was to make sure my admirals followed proper protocols. There might have been a change in the last 20 years, though, so I'll see what I can find.

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Nov 27, 2013 09:55:15   #
Moe
 
Dave wrote:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/al-franken-we-have-consider-extending-deadline-mandate_768090.html

Remember when the House passed a CR that extended the mandate but Obama and Reid wouldn't even discuss it.

They were bound and determined to foist this debacle on the American public, confident that enough of us were dumb enough to not be able to connect the dots.


When Bush was in office, he was blamed for everything and anything. Obama gets blamed for nothing! Talk about a one way street, but then Bush did not have the news media on his side.

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Nov 27, 2013 09:57:04   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
Bigmac495 wrote:
You confuse me again . You say you are proud of being a "chief petty officer" as you are "chief warrant officer.
Both start with 'Chief" but you think its important to 'Correct" me but not your civilian security guard for calling you chief ?
Since your are re-tired from the Navy , I really think you are no longer either 'Chief " .
When I re-tired after 33 + years at a large corporation , I would never refer to myself as Supervisor Big Mac although that was my title!
I respect any and all persons who gives their time and resources and sacrifice to serve in our Military to protect citizens of the U.S.
This forum should be more about what or how and ideas how to fix our problems than bickering back and forth between two people .
You confuse me again . You say you are proud of be... (show quote)


I didn't mean to start any bickering, and I don't think I did. I meant no rancor with my post. You just seemed to be using "Chief" incorrectly. When I was on active duty, I neither saw nor heard any Navy CWO referred to as "Chief". It was considered improper since Navy E7 chief petty officers are properly addressed as "Chief". I had already been a chief petty officer for several years before getting commissioned and had been properly addressed as "Chief" during all that time. After getting commissioned, I was always referred to as "Mister" or "Warrant Officer" (which properly should have been "Chief Warrant Officer" since the Navy hasn't had WO's for many decades), and protocol manuals at the time directed such. It's what I and other "mustangs" in my commissioning group were taught in our indoctrination class.

Having said that, I just checked around a couple of current Navy websites and found that one of them, though not official, considers "Chief" to be a correct, though casual, form of address for a CWO.

SO I HUMBLY STAND CORRECTED!

In fact, I appreciate this exchange. I have been immersed in an Army environment for the past several years and rarely have a chance to visit my Navy past.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that I, as a retired CWO, should not be addressed by my retired military title except in official military circumstances and documents. That's why I found your addressing me as "Chief" as just mockery since I disagree with your extreme right-wing political views. You have never seen me refer to myself with any military honoraria in any of my posts. Do you object to my using RetNavyCWO as my OPP username?

I work in an environment filled with retired military personnel, including a number of retired Army generals, and nobody around the office refers to them or each other by their rank. It would not be improper to do so, however, since an officer's commission is a lifelong commission, even after retiring from active duty.

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Nov 27, 2013 09:59:29   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
astrolite wrote:
You saw the website, although you didn't look for an archive to see what it started as, before it was watered down. But you deny it because you want to believe it doesn't exist? You also know what happened in Honduras, and watched Obama's reaction to that, but you deny it, again because you wish it wasn't true..you want to believe Obama wouldn't do such a thing? And with all the preparations for martial law, I would think overwhelming evidence, again you wish it wasn't true, and then You believe it wasn't true. THAT is the proof that liberalism is a mental health disorder!
You saw the website, although you didn't look for ... (show quote)


I will agree with one thing: some people around here are nucking futz!

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Nov 27, 2013 10:14:22   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Moe wrote:
When Bush was in office, he was blamed for everything and anything. Obama gets blamed for nothing! Talk about a one way street, but then Bush did not have the news media on his side.


For most of the years Bush was in office , he didn't have Congress on his side either .

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