Ipnmajor,
Sounds a little bit like someone doesn't want to admit the Democrats were wrong about the necessity for extending the start dates back when the Republicans proposed it. They were/are wrong about much more than the start date!

The whole law really ought to be REPEALED and the citizens allowed the freedom to chose what they want. The taking away the right to choose your own policy is nothing but pure tyranny, and it seems some in our midst are OK with that.

After Repeal of this law, a new "law" or "program/action" (covering a limited number of people) could be taken to get health care provided to those who "can't afford health care insurance", without infringing on the citizens right to choose and without taking control of the entire health insurance industry. (Expand/Redefine Medicaid?)

I would agree that the government might have the right to require the insurance companies to offer certain prescribed coverage in insurance policies but a free people must have the right to buy (or not buy) the prescribed policies if they choose, and any law shouldn't prohibit the people from buying other policies agreed to between the people and their insurance company.

You do understand that Obamacare prohibits the buying of any policy with other coverage not specifically defined by the government ? And everyone must buy health care insurance under penalty of law? Thus all the cancellations of "junk" (as defined by the government) policies that were bought on the free market, thereby creating the disruption of coverage for tens of millions of citizens.

Should the federal government have this much control over your life and businesses in this free enterprise nation ? When the businesses go along with it, it is called Crony Capitalism, never ends well for the citizens.
What is next ?
1oldgeezer

Giving a bit of thought to repealing Obamacare. This is a goldmine to insurance companies, they can charge as much as they want, justify it by adding benefits that you CAN'T USE, a gaurenteed moneymaker! And being allowed to raise the deductable to more than some people actually make (especially after paying for the insurance) keeps them from having to pay! Allowing the companies to "Ration" healthcare again allows the companies absurd profits! Regulating Doctors rates but NOT companies' profits must be a good thing for the companies! Now: the minorities don't have to pay, or be fined! But that means that the taxpayers pay for their insurance! Anyway the companies win, BIG! And THE TAXPAYERS (workers) LOSE! But remember the thousands of Obama supporters given POSITIONS of POWER (actually life and death) over you! And a huge salary. For the 45% its another givaway! More bought votes, for the few workers left, a death sentence!

Or in America, a Chevy Volt. Another restriction on travel, when the EPA shuts down 70% of the electrical power and raises the price of fuel, you must stop driving, then the TSA can decide who travels or not! Think, In the bus station, police "where is your paper permission to travel?" Already in some train stations. At the airport. Agenda 21 refuses to allow unlimited travel without government permission. That was in the origional bill. The Biodiversity Bill and later Treaty.

Ipnmajor,
Sounds a little bit like someone doesn't want to admit the Democrats were wrong about the necessity for extending the start dates back when the Republicans proposed it. They were/are wrong about much more than the start date!

The whole law really ought to be REPEALED and the citizens allowed the freedom to chose what they want. The taking away the right to choose your own policy is nothing but pure tyranny, and it seems some in our midst are OK with that.

After Repeal of this law, a new "law" or "program/action" (covering a limited number of people) could be taken to get health care provided to those who "can't afford health care insurance", without infringing on the citizens right to choose and without taking control of the entire health insurance industry. (Expand/Redefine Medicaid?)

I would agree that the government might have the right to require the insurance companies to offer certain prescribed coverage in insurance policies but a free people must have the right to buy (or not buy) the prescribed policies if they choose, and any law shouldn't prohibit the people from buying other policies agreed to between the people and their insurance company.

You do understand that Obamacare prohibits the buying of any policy with other coverage not specifically defined by the government ? And everyone must buy health care insurance under penalty of law? Thus all the cancellations of "junk" (as defined by the government) policies that were bought on the free market, thereby creating the disruption of coverage for tens of millions of citizens.

Should the federal government have this much control over your life and businesses in this free enterprise nation ? When the businesses go along with it, it is called Crony Capitalism, never ends well for the citizens.
What is next ?
1oldgeezer

Where do you come from ? That defunding bill never was passed . The republicans in the house drafted a new bill to keep the government going with out the ACA defunding words in it !
Besides that : A budget is supposed to originate from the Whitehouse and go to the House and Senate to be approved. That has not happened in the last 5 years!
Harry Reid would have gladly shut the government down and blamed it on the house !
When the House saw that the Senate would not even vote or amend the bill and pass it back to the House , they pushed the funding bill through the House to keep the government funded . I don't see where the Senate and Harry Reid did any thing on the bill that withheld funding of ACA except sit on it ! The House relented and took the defunding of ACA out. Not the Senate !
Show me a Obama budget he submitted in the last 5 years ?
Fact of the matter we could probably get along quite well, without the Federal government , if the states had the money the fed's get from taxes !
Since there is no checks and balances any more in Washington , Its Harry and Nancy's way or no-way !

Giving a bit of thought to repealing Obamacare. This is a goldmine to insurance companies, they can charge as much as they want, justify it by adding benefits that you CAN'T USE, a gaurenteed moneymaker! And being allowed to raise the deductable to more than some people actually make (especially after paying for the insurance) keeps them from having to pay! Allowing the companies to "Ration" healthcare again allows the companies absurd profits! Regulating Doctors rates but NOT companies' profits must be a good thing for the companies! Now: the minorities don't have to pay, or be fined! But that means that the taxpayers pay for their insurance! Anyway the companies win, BIG! And THE TAXPAYERS (workers) LOSE! But remember the thousands of Obama supporters given POSITIONS of POWER (actually life and death) over you! And a huge salary. For the 45% its another givaway! More bought votes, for the few workers left, a death sentence!

You're right about ObamaCare. However, I do think there are many ways the government could actually help people to obtain affordable health care coverage without sticking its intrusive nose into our lives.

Often Republicans/conservatives speak of getting rid of ObamaCare, but don't offer anything in its place. Some things Uncle Sam can do for us which really would require re-inventing the wheel. Some of these moves would include:
1. Tort reform to prevent doctors from offering tests and treatments to keep from getting sued.
2. Make all 50 states carry a basic core policy and open it to competition. There's no good reason you can't shop online for the best deal on health care insurance. Competition for your money reduces the price and improves quality.
3. Make premiums tax-deductible.
4. Allow chambers of commerce and other civic organizations offer group policies to local business.
5. Increase health savings accounts which use pre-tax dollars towards paying deductibles, medications and other health related services.
6. Make doctor and hospital fees and services available online so people can shop and compare.
7. Subsidize policies for working poor Americans. This would offer mobility, save money with preventive health programs, would be available for Americans and LEGAL resident aliens only, and it would add incentive to working.

There are many more great ideas that can be used to drive down costs and improve access to affordable health care without having the government doubling the premiums or regulating what services you are allowed to have.

Lastly, by making these reforms, it would empower the people to make the best choices - not government.

It looks like you are completely unaware that under the ACA, insurance companies must spend at least 80% of all premiums collected on actual health care. If they don't, they must refund excess premiums to the insureds. In 2011, they refunded $1.1 billion. In 2012, they refunded over $500 million (because they adjusted their rates to avoid having to repay so much).

"Absurd profits" are what the industry used to be able to make BEFORE ACA. Back then, the average annual increase in health insurance premiums was more than 9%. That was one of the reasons for ACA in the first place!

Ipnmajor,
Sounds a little bit like someone doesn't want to admit the Democrats were wrong about the necessity for extending the start dates back when the Republicans proposed it. They were/are wrong about much more than the start date!

The whole law really ought to be REPEALED and the citizens allowed the freedom to chose what they want. The taking away the right to choose your own policy is nothing but pure tyranny, and it seems some in our midst are OK with that.

After Repeal of this law, a new "law" or "program/action" (covering a limited number of people) could be taken to get health care provided to those who "can't afford health care insurance", without infringing on the citizens right to choose and without taking control of the entire health insurance industry. (Expand/Redefine Medicaid?)

I would agree that the government might have the right to require the insurance companies to offer certain prescribed coverage in insurance policies but a free people must have the right to buy (or not buy) the prescribed policies if they choose, and any law shouldn't prohibit the people from buying other policies agreed to between the people and their insurance company.

You do understand that Obamacare prohibits the buying of any policy with other coverage not specifically defined by the government ? And everyone must buy health care insurance under penalty of law? Thus all the cancellations of "junk" (as defined by the government) policies that were bought on the free market, thereby creating the disruption of coverage for tens of millions of citizens.

Should the federal government have this much control over your life and businesses in this free enterprise nation ? When the businesses go along with it, it is called Crony Capitalism, never ends well for the citizens.
What is next ?
1oldgeezer