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Jun 4, 2018 09:04:25   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
PeterS wrote:
If we are a Christian nation though how is that not a preference for one religion over the other?


If you could form a complete sentence I may understand what you are saying!!

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Jun 4, 2018 09:04:28   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
This is what Madison had to say: “The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscience be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed.” and

"The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State" (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819).

"Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov't in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history" (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820).

"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together" (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822).

I find it very ironic that he thought the idea was made very clear by the first amendment yet conservatives Christians don't think separation at all implied by the constitution!

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/qmadison.htm
This is what Madison had to say: i b “The civil ... (show quote)


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yeah ! Nice try pal... and eventhough I agree with his statement, tell that to the Muslim Scumbags who could careless about any of the above.

CHECKMATE Bro !

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Jun 4, 2018 09:05:45   #
Sicilianthing
 
PeterS wrote:
Well it would apply to Muslims just as it would apply to any other religion...


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They dont care and they’ll ignore it and take over, murder as many as they can and then remove it.

Wake UP

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Jun 4, 2018 09:10:13   #
Sicilianthing
 
cold iron wrote:
If you could form a complete sentence I may understand what you are saying!!


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Ha... i’m On the floor in tears...

Thank You !

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Jun 4, 2018 09:31:31   #
Lonewolf
 
Not any more destructive than Mormons or JW's



quote=old marine]The intent is to prohibit government from discrimination against ONE religion over the other. It was left up to the individual what religion they choose to follow.

Muslim is NOT A RELIGION IT IS A DESTRUCTIVE CULTURAL HERITAGE.

God bless America and ALL TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS.[/quote]

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Jun 4, 2018 10:32:26   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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They dont care and they’ll ignore it and take over, murder as many as they can and then remove it.

Wake UP


We have an existential threat in the country with well over 4 million Muslims here, and more coming, it seems, by birth and by immigration. While their numbers today are relatively small,, so small that they cannot take us over by force, but by 2050 or so they may well be able to mount a significant threat, especially as they are being elected to government offices, working in police departments, joining the military, and pretending to be good Americans.

Historically, it has taken only about 10% of a population to mount a revolution successfully, notably in Russia. Muslims may well reach that goal in 2050 or so. It is fundamental to the Islamic Code that they will try to make Islam the world's religion, and those now here ascribe to that code, but have dispensation from Islamic clerics to adapt to the nation they are in until the time comes when they have the numbers to succeed in overthrowing the country.

Islam is an all encompassing religious and political entity, and we need to keep them out of our government. This is one sure reason to maintain separation of church and state, both formally and informally.
Do you realize that the head of the DNC, Keith Ellison, is a Muslim?

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Jun 4, 2018 11:49:32   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Correction: Ellison is Vice Chair of the DNC.

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Jun 4, 2018 11:49:44   #
Carol Kelly
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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She’s a Lunatic !


Her little gray cells are diminished.

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Jun 4, 2018 12:33:57   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
There is not one bit of separation of church and state in the Constitution ! No where sip nothing and not one of you can show where it's at !

It all came about from the letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to the church and you guys that are clueless to it's meaning snatched it up as your anti Christian call to rid the US of Christianity and magically placed it in the Constitution !

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Jun 4, 2018 12:35:46   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
PeterS wrote:
If we are a Christian nation though how is that not a preference for one religion over the other?


If you ever got out of the third grade you may be able to understand and make such stupid post.

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Jun 4, 2018 12:37:58   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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During the Obama administration, there was a one way street concerning our Christian religion. In public schools, Christian students were not allowed to carry Christian materials, or practice Christian traditions like Christmas holidays in schools. Anybody who violated were suspended or removed from schools.

The Christmas tradition in schools or public offices had been practiced since the declaration of our constitution. Until 1991, government offices stopped celebrating Christmas. Trees displayed in offices were no longer called Christmas tree. They changed to name Giving Tree, and the word Christmas was removed.

But Islam was taught in public schools under Obama's reign. Kids were required to recite that allah was the only god. Muslims were given break time and rugs to pray to Mohammad or Islam.

Thus kids now in public schools are so brainwashed hating Christianity, and hating the Conservatives that carry the tradition.

During Mr. Obama's time, Christian kids in public schools no longer enjoyed the tradition of celebrating Christmas. It was a bleak and sad day for kids.
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Amen and amen

God bless America and the true America patriots

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Jun 4, 2018 12:50:43   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Not any more destructive than Mormons or JW's



quote=old marine]The intent is to prohibit government from discrimination against ONE religion over the other. It was left up to the individual what religion they choose to follow.

Muslim is NOT A RELIGION IT IS A DESTRUCTIVE CULTURAL HERITAGE.

God bless America and ALL TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS.
[/quote]

I agree Mormons are not a real relegion they believe a known conman translated golden plates looking through a crystal rock. The gold plates were ALLEGED found under a rock in a plowed field.

If you believe that I know a guy that has a bridge in Brooklyn he Will sell to you real cheap.

Mormons is a cult to allow a man to have several wives at the same time. They twist the scripture to give credit to their book of Mormon claiming descendents from a lost tribe in Israel.

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Jun 4, 2018 12:55:34   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Manning345 wrote:
We have an existential threat in the country with well over 4 million Muslims here, and more coming, it seems, by birth and by immigration. While their numbers today are relatively small,, so small that they cannot take us over by force, but by 2050 or so they may well be able to mount a significant threat, especially as they are being elected to government offices, working in police departments, joining the military, and pretending to be good Americans.

Historically, it has taken only about 10% of a population to mount a revolution successfully, notably in Russia. Muslims may well reach that goal in 2050 or so. It is fundamental to the Islamic Code that they will try to make Islam the world's religion, and those now here ascribe to that code, but have dispensation from Islamic clerics to adapt to the nation they are in until the time comes when they have the numbers to succeed in overthrowing the country.

Islam is an all encompassing religious and political entity, and we need to keep them out of our government. This is one sure reason to maintain separation of church and state, both formally and informally.
Do you realize that the head of the DNC, Keith Ellison, is a Muslim?
We have an existential threat in the country with ... (show quote)


Look at England the Muslims are taking over the country there. Will we let AMERICA be next ?

HE'LL NO TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOTS WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH TO PRVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING.

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND PRESIDENT TRUMP SEMPER FI BROTHER AND SISTER

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Jun 4, 2018 13:39:23   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
PeterS wrote:
Very good question!


If you could remember anything. It was just one judge that made the statement as to what was meant by the separation of church and state. If I recall correctly. If that isn't the case please let me know so I can delve into this more.

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Jun 4, 2018 13:50:45   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Manning345 wrote:
I did a search on separation of church and state since I was a bit hazy on the legal position of the separation we do have, and why it is in force;

https://www.thoughtco.com/what-is-the-separation-of-church-and-state-249635

This is one of the better articles I read, and it declares separation a two-way street, in that government must not declare a religion for us all to follow; and, very importantly, no religion can infiltrate the government and dictate their beliefs to the nation. It obviously recognizes that the separation is not called for in so many words in the Constitution. But it does point out that the First Amendment does the job of ensuring religious freedom.

What this means is such things as no prayer in public schools, and no direct incorporation of ethics and dictates of any church into the government. That we are still about 65% Christian in the US does not mean we Christians can promote laws that benefit us alone, to the detriment of others, or not, much as we want to have a few of them to help straighten out the nation.

It makes sense when seen in this light.
I did a search on separation of church and state s... (show quote)


It does make sense. But if that is true than why are some school districts having children say the Muslim prayer in school when Christian prayer is not allowed in the schools? That seems to go against the separation of church and state. They could have just said "this is the Muslim prayer" and let it go at that. Just saying, what is good for one religion should be good for all religions.

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