Sandra Day O'Conner on Separation of Church and State (Page 21): "Think not that I come to abolish the law and the prophets, I come not to abolish, but to fulfill." Jesus in Matthew...

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Endoscopy wrote:

There are two laws. br br First there is the law... (show quote)

"Think not that I come to abolish the law and the prophets, I come not to abolish, but to fulfill."
Jesus in Matthew 5:17

Apart from the 10 Commandments, Isaiah reduced the 613 Mosaic laws to 11; Jesus reduced them to 2.

The Torah (Mosaic laws) are Judaic not Christian, and even the religious Jews today do not abide by all of those laws or engage in all of those sacrificial rituals.

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PeterS wrote:

My wife is a teacher and so is my sister in law and neither had their kids recite anything to any god. That's why I think you are a liar which makes me wonder why your god is going to let you into heaven???

Sharia law promoted in Indiana public schools

Jan 19, 2017 10:03 am By Christine Douglass-Williams

Sharia law is being packaged and marketed to public school children. Parents send their children to school, trusting that they are in good hands. Instead, the children in New Albany-Floyd County schools in Indiana are being indoctrinated to view Islamic jurisprudence as positive — even in its oppression of women.

Islamic Indoctrination in American Schools
Hundreds of examples.

Radiance3

PeterS wrote:

My wife is a teacher and so is my sister in law and neither had their kids recite anything to any god. That's why I think you are a liar which makes me wonder why your god is going to let you into heaven???

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What lie are you talking about. Disgusting, I don't lie. Not all public schools pray to allah.

But I have tenant with 3 school kids. They all attended this public school where they were taught to recited allah is the only god, and Mohammad is the only prophet. This was from 2012 to 2015. This tenant still rent one of my homes, and reported, that the school administration has changed after so many complaints.

I pay so much property tax funding 65% of public schools in our state.

PeterS

Radiance3 wrote:

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You're lying now. Schools systems are regulated by the federal government so they don't change that much from state to state and if any state forced our children to pray to Allah you cons would have SHUT it down. As it stands now if you want to pray in out schools you make an request for an empty room for your children to pray in and there they can pray to their little hearts content. The fact that Muslims have done this and you cons aren't smart enough to do that for your own children isn't the fault of Muslims but the fault of CC's who can't quite grasp the idea that they have to make a request in order to pray. Well sorry guys but you do and I will bet your dollar against my nickle that this is what happened here--Muslims were praying, by themselves, in a room they requested--and you cons popped a cork over it by thinking that all students were required to pray in school.

And here's my qualifications: I own real estate too with the majority in multifamily housing. If you want to compare tax dollars then please lets do; I spent 7 years on the Board of Trustees for the City of Dallas--part of the time designing the Curriculum for students so I know what I am saying is true; my wife has 26 years in the public school system and a Doctorate in English; and we have any number of friends who are educators or administrators in the public school system or are on the Board of Trustee's and help write the curriculum for our school system.

If you ask a single one of them why schools are going down hill they will tell you that standardized testing forces teachers to teach to the test instead of concentrating on the education of our children. My wife says she devotes 16 weeks a year to standardized testing which means any form of critical thinking or education in fallacies goes straight out the window and children leave public schools without the ability to think their way out of a paper bag. That would be great for making more conservatives by the way.

To sum this up there isn't a single school system, much less school, in this country where the children are FORCED to pray to Allah and without evidence to support your claim you are nothing but a liar for whom your god will send to hell to spend eternity with the likes of me! Think about that before you make your reply because god knows the TRUTH and you are literally playing with your immortal soul!!!

The above photograph was the one shown in Tennessee but was a FAKE!!!

Snip>>>On 23 August 2016, the web site Christian Today reported that public school students in Tennessee were being forced to “bow down to Allah”:

Middle school parents in Tennessee are up in arms upon learning that their children were being forced to recite and write the Islamic Shahada conversion creed: “Allah is the only god and Muhammad is his prophet,” as part of an alleged ‘world history’ project.

That short item was accompanied by a misleading photograph that was taken neither recently nor in Tennessee, showing children kneeling at a mosque in the posture assumed by Muslims during prayer. That picture seems to have first appeared online in 2011, shared by anti-Muslim web sites in Europe that claimed it was taken in either England or Denmark.

The photograph was later shared by white supremacist and anti-Muslim web sites in the United States that claimed it was taken in Alabama, Florida, and even Glasgow, Scotland. Some web sites claim the image proves that President Barack Obama is secretly trying to force Americans to convert to Islam:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tennessee-schoolchildren-islam/

Oh and there was this:

October 2016

A parent in Sullivan County, Tennessee, demanded that the school district remove a Pearson textbook that covers Islamic faith and history. She claimed that its unit on Islam violated her and her daughter's religious beliefs. Her daughter refused to complete assignments on Islam and was given a failing grade.

And I don't know if this was one of your relatives but the child failed because she didn't address Islam which was one of several religions covered by the text book...it's fine to teach about religious history in public schools just so long a one religion wasn't given preferential treatment!

PeterS

Blade_Runner wrote:

b Sharia law promoted in Indiana public schools /... (show quote)

Hundreds of examples? You are much better at a google search than I am. The first thing that comes to mind is the date (2017) and why Betsy DeVos and Donald J would allow such an atrocity to happen in our public school system and why it wasn't broadcast long and loud on conservative media sources...yet all I heard was silence...

snip>>>Public schools in America can teach about religion, but they can’t preach about religion.

In 1963, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it’s unconstitutional for public schools to mandate religious activities. In that case — School District of Abington Township v. Schempp — the activity at issue was reading the Bible. But the ruling goes for all religions.

In a June 17, 1963 opinion, then-Supreme Court Justice Tom C. Clark wrote that the subject of religion could still be taught in schools. He wrote: “It might well be said that one’s education is not complete without a study of comparative religion or the history of religion and its relationship to the advancement of civilization. It certainly may be said that the Bible is worthy of study for its literary and historic qualities. Nothing we have said here indicates that such study of the Bible or of religion, when presented objectively as part of a secular program of education, may not be effected consistently with the First Amendment.”

A story that has been circulating on Facebook claiming that the Supreme Court recently ruled that public schools cannot teach Islam is false. Users of the social media site rightly flagged it as suspicious.

The story originated on a website called America’s Last Line of Defense, which describes its content as satire aimed at trolling conservatives. The site has a disclaimer that says everything on the site is “fiction.”

This is the only application for a Islamic School I could come up with in Indiana: https://www.in.gov/sboe/files/Islamic%20Academy%20of%20Indianapolis.pdf Now is this the school you were talking about? BTW, this isn't a public school but private one for the education of Muslim children.

Oh and your West Virginia dad sued because a course in world religions contained a section on Islam--and not because his daughter was forced to learn Islam--though to a CC such as yourself any mention of the word Islam would cause you (a person instructed by your god to love they neighbor) to go into a complete meltdown. Oh and as a side bar here this is just one of the reasons I find you Conservative Christians--but not REAL Christians--to be such an obnoxious breed of the Christian theology--a religion that I personally think to be one of the better ones people have fallen for...

I could go through the rest of your links but I have a feeling they will all turn out the same--either Muslim children who were practicing their religion in a separate rooms or Islam was mentioned as part of world religions and you religious bigots simply were unable to handle the mere mention of the word. Sorry Blade but the fact that you CC's are religious bigots does not mean your children are being forced to pray to Allah!!!

Blade I have seen you attack Sici and Steve700 for making clearly spurious statements and here you are the fist on to fall for it. Read the first amendment. If any such teaching of Islam was going on there are enough clear thinking conservatives to hire lawyers to stop it. Do you people not understand that you have the first amendment to protect you from having government force your children to learn any religion you didn't want them to learn?

Please Blade, don't tell me that a life living in fallacies had eliminated your ability to think for yourself...because that's what it is beginning to look like isn't it!!!

Homestead

PeterS wrote:

You're lying now. Schools systems are regulated by the federal government so they don't change that much from state to state and if any state forced our children to pray to Allah you cons would have SHUT it down. As it stands now if you want to pray in out schools you make an request for an empty room for your children to pray in and there they can pray to their little hearts content. The fact that Muslims have done this and you cons aren't smart enough to do that for your own children isn't the fault of Muslims but the fault of CC's who can't quite grasp the idea that they have to make a request in order to pray. Well sorry guys but you do and I will bet your dollar against my nickle that this is what happened here--Muslims were praying, by themselves, in a room they requested--and you cons popped a cork over it by thinking that all students were required to pray in school.

And here's my qualifications: I own real estate too with the majority in multifamily housing. If you want to compare tax dollars then please lets do; I spent 7 years on the Board of Trustees for the City of Dallas--part of the time designing the Curriculum for students so I know what I am saying is true; my wife has 26 years in the public school system and a Doctorate in English; and we have any number of friends who are educators or administrators in the public school system or are on the Board of Trustee's and help write the curriculum for our school system.

If you ask a single one of them why schools are going down hill they will tell you that standardized testing forces teachers to teach to the test instead of concentrating on the education of our children. My wife says she devotes 16 weeks a year to standardized testing which means any form of critical thinking or education in fallacies goes straight out the window and children leave public schools without the ability to think their way out of a paper bag. That would be great for making more conservatives by the way.

To sum this up there isn't a single school system, much less school, in this country where the children are FORCED to pray to Allah and without evidence to support your claim you are nothing but a liar for whom your god will send to hell to spend eternity with the likes of me! Think about that before you make your reply because god knows the TRUTH and you are literally playing with your immortal soul!!!

The above photograph was the one shown in Tennessee but was a FAKE!!!

Snip>>>On 23 August 2016, the web site Christian Today reported that public school students in Tennessee were being forced to “bow down to Allah”:

Middle school parents in Tennessee are up in arms upon learning that their children were being forced to recite and write the Islamic Shahada conversion creed: “Allah is the only god and Muhammad is his prophet,” as part of an alleged ‘world history’ project.

That short item was accompanied by a misleading photograph that was taken neither recently nor in Tennessee, showing children kneeling at a mosque in the posture assumed by Muslims during prayer. That picture seems to have first appeared online in 2011, shared by anti-Muslim web sites in Europe that claimed it was taken in either England or Denmark.

The photograph was later shared by white supremacist and anti-Muslim web sites in the United States that claimed it was taken in Alabama, Florida, and even Glasgow, Scotland. Some web sites claim the image proves that President Barack Obama is secretly trying to force Americans to convert to Islam:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tennessee-schoolchildren-islam/

Oh and there was this:

October 2016

A parent in Sullivan County, Tennessee, demanded that the school district remove a Pearson textbook that covers Islamic faith and history. She claimed that its unit on Islam violated her and her daughter's religious beliefs. Her daughter refused to complete assignments on Islam and was given a failing grade.

And I don't know if this was one of your relatives but the child failed because she didn't address Islam which was one of several religions covered by the text book...it's fine to teach about religious history in public schools just so long a one religion wasn't given preferential treatment!

You're lying now. Schools systems are regulated by... (show quote)

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Radiance3

PeterS wrote:

You're lying now. Schools systems are regulated by the federal government so they don't change that much from state to state and if any state forced our children to pray to Allah you cons would have SHUT it down. As it stands now if you want to pray in out schools you make an request for an empty room for your children to pray in and there they can pray to their little hearts content. The fact that Muslims have done this and you cons aren't smart enough to do that for your own children isn't the fault of Muslims but the fault of CC's who can't quite grasp the idea that they have to make a request in order to pray. Well sorry guys but you do and I will bet your dollar against my nickle that this is what happened here--Muslims were praying, by themselves, in a room they requested--and you cons popped a cork over it by thinking that all students were required to pray in school.

And here's my qualifications: I own real estate too with the majority in multifamily housing. If you want to compare tax dollars then please lets do; I spent 7 years on the Board of Trustees for the City of Dallas--part of the time designing the Curriculum for students so I know what I am saying is true; my wife has 26 years in the public school system and a Doctorate in English; and we have any number of friends who are educators or administrators in the public school system or are on the Board of Trustee's and help write the curriculum for our school system.

If you ask a single one of them why schools are going down hill they will tell you that standardized testing forces teachers to teach to the test instead of concentrating on the education of our children. My wife says she devotes 16 weeks a year to standardized testing which means any form of critical thinking or education in fallacies goes straight out the window and children leave public schools without the ability to think their way out of a paper bag. That would be great for making more conservatives by the way.

To sum this up there isn't a single school system, much less school, in this country where the children are FORCED to pray to Allah and without evidence to support your claim you are nothing but a liar for whom your god will send to hell to spend eternity with the likes of me! Think about that before you make your reply because god knows the TRUTH and you are literally playing with your immortal soul!!!

The above photograph was the one shown in Tennessee but was a FAKE!!!

Snip>>>On 23 August 2016, the web site Christian Today reported that public school students in Tennessee were being forced to “bow down to Allah”:

Middle school parents in Tennessee are up in arms upon learning that their children were being forced to recite and write the Islamic Shahada conversion creed: “Allah is the only god and Muhammad is his prophet,” as part of an alleged ‘world history’ project.

That short item was accompanied by a misleading photograph that was taken neither recently nor in Tennessee, showing children kneeling at a mosque in the posture assumed by Muslims during prayer. That picture seems to have first appeared online in 2011, shared by anti-Muslim web sites in Europe that claimed it was taken in either England or Denmark.

The photograph was later shared by white supremacist and anti-Muslim web sites in the United States that claimed it was taken in Alabama, Florida, and even Glasgow, Scotland. Some web sites claim the image proves that President Barack Obama is secretly trying to force Americans to convert to Islam:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tennessee-schoolchildren-islam/

Oh and there was this:

October 2016

A parent in Sullivan County, Tennessee, demanded that the school district remove a Pearson textbook that covers Islamic faith and history. She claimed that its unit on Islam violated her and her daughter's religious beliefs. Her daughter refused to complete assignments on Islam and was given a failing grade.

And I don't know if this was one of your relatives but the child failed because she didn't address Islam which was one of several religions covered by the text book...it's fine to teach about religious history in public schools just so long a one religion wasn't given preferential treatment!

You're lying now. Schools systems are regulated by... (show quote)

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Schools regulated by the Federal Government? That is right regulated via the "Political Correctness". which replaced the Constitution under Mr. Obama your beloved president. From 2009 to 2016.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/01/29/lawsuit-public-school-forced-my-child-to-convert-to-islam.html

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/apr/05/volusia-county-republican-party/did-us-department-education-introduce-islamic-indo/

http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/19/10-ways-obama-violated-constitution-presidency/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ilyashapiro/2014/01/13/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations-of-2013/

https://christiannews.net/2017/03/13/obama-judge-rules-school-field-trips-to-christian-sports-complex-violate-constitution/