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Jan 25, 2018 16:32:23   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
GmanTerry wrote:
This is my hot button. The most serious threat on the planet. Over population is the cause of 99.92% of everything that's wrong, everywhere. It's the conversation that is worse than racism. Humans have become a virus on this planet and until we, the world population, discuss it and find a solution, it will destroy us all. We can never solve our environmental issues until we solve the population issue.

Semper Fi


Give everyone a gun, make it a fair fight. The herd will thin itself.

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Jan 25, 2018 20:46:23   #
Morgan
 
BigMike wrote:
Warm here, cool there, warm a few years, cool a few years, rainy a few years, dry a few years.

Trending warmer for decades, cooling for decades.

Trending warmer for centuries, trending cooler for centuries.

The smart thing to do would be to quit building on the water...or below sea level...or on bulldozed debris next to an active fault...or in places that have no water...or in the lahar zones of active volcanoes.

The most effective thing to do for folks already living in places like that is invest in seawalls, levees, desalination plants, earthquake/tornado/hurricane reinforcement, etc. That'd do a whole lot more people a whole lot sooner a whole lot cheaper than anything else. Fix what you can fix now, now and deal with the rest of the stuff as you're able to.

If I lived in Tacoma I'd move...ASAP.
Warm here, cool there, warm a few years, cool a fe... (show quote)

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Jan 25, 2018 20:47:32   #
son of witless
 
Morgan wrote:
Sure it is, this extreme world climate change has to do with global warming directly. What the heck do you think they've been warning us about for decades, even with it unfolding in front of your eyes you still choose to stick your head in the sand. Just as they are claiming quite loudly that we weill see more extreme changes do to the rise in mmCo2(man made). You need to do some real research and wake up to what the rest of the WORLD realizes and acknowledges,and is BTW making changes.


I say this again, " You need to do better research in the future. This is not a Global Warming issue. "

The shrinkage of Lake Urmia in Iran has nothing to do with man made Global Warming. This is a salt lake. Water does not flow out of it into the ocean. Water flows into it and evaporates which is why it is very salty. It depends on inflows of fresh water to keep it's volume of water. That in flowing water has been diverted for all kinds of other uses. In a dry climate, this is fatal for a lake like this. In recent years some revival of the lake has begun as the water diversions have slowly been reversed. Also wells that used to suck the ground water dry are being curtailed.

" You need to do some real research and wake up to what the rest of the WORLD realizes and acknowledges,and is BTW making changes. " I did some real research which is why unlike you I know what I am talking about on this subject.

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Jan 25, 2018 20:50:35   #
son of witless
 
archie bunker wrote:
Give everyone a gun, make it a fair fight. The herd will thin itself.


Another argument against Illegal Immigration. Illegal Immigration increases the World population.

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Jan 25, 2018 21:06:58   #
Morgan
 
BigMike wrote:
Warm here, cool there, warm a few years, cool a few years, rainy a few years, dry a few years.

Trending warmer for decades, cooling for decades.

Trending warmer for centuries, trending cooler for centuries.

The smart thing to do would be to quit building on the water...or below sea level...or on bulldozed debris next to an active fault...or in places that have no water...or in the lahar zones of active volcanoes.

The most effective thing to do for folks already living in places like that is invest in seawalls, levees, desalination plants, earthquake/tornado/hurricane reinforcement, etc. That'd do a whole lot more people a whole lot sooner a whole lot cheaper than anything else. Fix what you can fix now, now and deal with the rest of the stuff as you're able to.

If I lived in Tacoma I'd move...ASAP.
Warm here, cool there, warm a few years, cool a fe... (show quote)




LOL I'd move too You have the right idea fix now what you can, but many people aren't willing to do that, kicking the can down the road is getting old and not really fair to the next generation, though it seems to be the way.

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Jan 25, 2018 21:08:00   #
Morgan
 
son of witless wrote:
Another argument against Illegal Immigration. Illegal Immigration increases the World population.


That's hysterical

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Jan 25, 2018 21:24:29   #
Morgan
 
archie bunker wrote:
There is no global warming. Hasn't been for like....18 years, or so. If anything, it's cooling.




Gosh Arch, really...and what do you base this on?

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Jan 25, 2018 21:31:30   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Morgan wrote:
Overpopulation should be addressed, I agree, but it is easy to understand the proven data that it is fossil fuel that has the direct impact. You would also have to addess other countries on their impact on overpopulation through their social and religious ideologies, it is not our country that is causing overpopulation.
There is no proven data that fossil fuels or anything else has directly impacted earth's climate. 99% of the AGW "data" comes from computer modeling. The AGW movement never was about the climate, it is about money, a redistribution of wealth scam. The goal is holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state. In a nutshell, socialist ideology drives the AGW scam, not science.

The climate scientists and climate models that have long predicted catastrophic global warming from CO2 emissions are proven to be undeniably incorrect. The AGW hypothesis does not reflect climate reality. The actual empirical evidence proves the CAGW hypothesis to be irretrievably wrong. The climate sensitivity to CO2 levels is, at best, tiny. The natural forces of the climate will produce negative feedbacks that completely overwhelm the hypothetical CAGW positive feedback loop. Thus, while CO2 emissions will likely induce a slight warming, the natural climatic forces will dictate and dominate our climate future.

UN IPCC Climate Chief Christiana-Figueres:

"This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history. This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 — you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation."


UN IPCC co-chair Ottmar Edenhofer and lead author of IPCC AGW resolutions :

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,”


IPCC Researchers Admit Global Warming Fraud

Here's the deal concerning Iran, if those crazy bastards running the show over there get their hands on nuclear weapons, you will see some serious global warming and a significant reduction in earth's population.

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Jan 25, 2018 21:36:08   #
Morgan
 
son of witless wrote:
I say this again, " You need to do better research in the future. This is not a Global Warming issue. "

The shrinkage of Lake Urmia in Iran has nothing to do with man made Global Warming. This is a salt lake. Water does not flow out of it into the ocean. Water flows into it and evaporates which is why it is very salty. It depends on inflows of fresh water to keep it's volume of water. That in flowing water has been diverted for all kinds of other uses. In a dry climate, this is fatal for a lake like this. In recent years some revival of the lake has begun as the water diversions have slowly been reversed. Also wells that used to suck the ground water dry are being curtailed.

" You need to do some real research and wake up to what the rest of the WORLD realizes and acknowledges,and is BTW making changes. " I did some real research which is why unlike you I know what I am talking about on this subject.
I say this again, " You need to do better re... (show quote)


No you don't, and you need to wake up to the drought all over the world from GLOBAL WARMING, causing waterways to dry up and forest fires. You need to do better research I have. Next time you want to make a statement of righteous condescension, you better be prepared to back it up with something.

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Jan 25, 2018 21:44:11   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Morgan wrote:
No you don't, and you need to wake up to the drought all over the world from GLOBAL WARMING, causing waterways to dry up and forest fires. You need to do better research I have. Next time you want to make a statement of righteous condescension, you better be prepared to back it up with something.
There is no proven data that fossil fuels or anything else has directly impacted earth's climate. 99% of the AGW "data" comes from computer modeling. The AGW movement never was about the climate, it is about money, a redistribution of wealth scam. The goal is holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state. In a nutshell, socialist ideology drives the AGW scam, not science.

The climate scientists and climate models that have long predicted catastrophic global warming from CO2 emissions are proven to be undeniably incorrect. The AGW hypothesis does not reflect climate reality. The actual empirical evidence proves the CAGW hypothesis to be irretrievably wrong. The climate sensitivity to CO2 levels is, at best, tiny. The natural forces of the climate will produce negative feedbacks that completely overwhelm the hypothetical CAGW positive feedback loop. Thus, while CO2 emissions will likely induce a slight warming, the natural climatic forces will dictate and dominate our climate future.

UN IPCC Climate Chief Christiana-Figueres:

"This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history. This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 — you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation."


UN IPCC co-chair Ottmar Edenhofer and lead author of IPCC AGW resolutions :

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,”


IPCC Researchers Admit Global Warming Fraud

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Jan 25, 2018 21:51:26   #
Morgan
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There is no proven data that fossil fuels or anything else has directly impacted earth's climate. 99% of the AGW "data" comes from computer modeling. The AGW movement never was about the climate, it is about money, a redistribution of wealth scam. The goal is holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.

UN IPCC Climate Chief Christiana-Figueres:

"This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history. This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the industrial revolution. That will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 — you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation."


UN IPCC co-chair Ottmar Edenhofer and lead author of IPCC AGW resolutions :

“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole. We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,”


Here's the deal concerning Iran, if those crazy bastards running the show over there get their hands on nuclear weapons, you will see some serious global warming and a significant reduction in earth's population.
There is no proven data that fossil fuels or anyth... (show quote)



I'm sorry blade but that is just not true, there is so much collective data, from the sea, air, earth, and from insects to humans, it's an acknowledged truth.

But you're correct to keep our eye on Iran and as I said before if we want to keep te people from coming here, we have to help their conditions so the people want to stay in their own country.

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Jan 25, 2018 22:28:56   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Morgan wrote:
LOL I'd move too You have the right idea fix now what you can, but many people aren't willing to do that, kicking the can down the road is getting old and not really fair to the next generation, though it seems to be the way.


If they really give a damn and they really think bad things are coming down the road they really should be willing to do the obvious first. That's my motto!

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Jan 25, 2018 23:23:05   #
Morgan
 
BigMike wrote:
If they really give a damn and they really think bad things are coming down the road they really should be willing to do the obvious first. That's my motto!


That would happen if logic prevails, but I'm not seeing that much lately

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Jan 26, 2018 07:37:37   #
son of witless
 
Morgan wrote:
That's hysterical


And true.

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Jan 26, 2018 07:51:20   #
Morgan
 
GmanTerry wrote:
This is my hot button. The most serious threat on the planet. Over population is the cause of 99.92% of everything that's wrong, everywhere. It's the conversation that is worse than racism. Humans have become a virus on this planet and until we, the world population, discuss it and find a solution, it will destroy us all. We can never solve our environmental issues until we solve the population issue.

Semper Fi


You're correct overpopulation is a fact that excels our carbon footprint, but do you realize monogamy is not the most common form of marital status/practice around the world. Which means we would have to change the religious attitudes around the world, not a small undertaking when we consider how ingrained these attitudes are in their cultures and they feel they are identified by.

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