Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Evil satan does not exist in the Hebrew (old Testament). Satan is just an adversary” or “accuser" and nothing more, incapable of doing anything without the permission of G*d. Evil satan is not from the garden of Eden, that was only called a snake. He, the satan, only became a deity the Christian (New Testament) text. By the first century C.E., Satan is adopted into the nascent Christian movement, as ruler over a kingdom of darkness, an opponent and deceiver of Jesus (Mark 1:13), prince of the devils and opposing force to God (Luke 11:15–19; Matthew 12:24–27; Mark 3:22–23:26); Jesus’ ministry puts a temporary end to Satan’s reign (Luke 10:18) and the conversion of the gentiles leads them from Satan to G*d (Acts 26:18). Most famously, Satan endangers the Christian communities but will fall in Christ’s final act of salvation, described in detail in the book of Revelation. In the New Testament, Satan and his demons have the power to enter and possess people; this is what is said to have happened to Judas (Luke 22:3; John 13:27; cf. Mark 5:12–13; Luke 8:30–32). But when Paul re-tells the story of Adam and Eve, he places the blame on the humans (Romans 5:18; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:21–22) and not on fallen angels, or on the serpent as Satan.

In anticipation to a bible scholars, Ezekiel 28 refers to a flesh and blood king, Tyre. And Isaiah 14:12-17, if you read the entire chapter, it is clear that the comparison is between king, flesh and blood people.

son of witless

Are you an equal opportunity God basher ? Do you blame the Gods of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Shinto, etc. ? Or are you only going after the Christian God because your masters have told you to bash anything American and America is a Christian nation or was until young Barry came along.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

I'm not sure how to respond to you. It's clear you are very knowledgeable in the scriptures and grammar. Sadly I am not even in your league. I would agree that Adam and Eve had a choice and chose the wrong action. But when someone tempts someone to sin, that to me is evil. It's okay for G*d to test us because He is the creator. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Satan in Tarturas in chains and darkness until the end times. Why would G*d do that to an angel that wasn't evil or a rebel and had left his first estate.

1969skoops

Yes He did, so we could choose which path we would take. And from what I've seen over the past years a lot on the left have chosen the side of EVIL !!

Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

So you are calling Reagan a liar!

Hogback

I hope God created EVIL because if He didn't then He's not in control of everything. So, the question we must ask is why did He create evil? If there was no evil then we would not know God's goodness and Grace because we would have nothing to compare Him against. The darker and more evil the world is the more brilliant God's glory shines. We all want God's blessings but we would not appreciate it unless we knew of His wrath. God introduced contrast for our benefit. Adam and Eve didn't know about being sick because they were created healthy and perfect. They never knew hunger because they were full and satisfied they never knew need because they had God's perfect complete provision. They never knew God's wrath because they only knew God's love. Have you ever wondered why the tree in the middle of the garden was the tree of "good and evil"? Why wasn't it just the tree of good? We would never know the joys of salvation if we hadn't experienced spiritual lostness first! God planned the plan of salvation ever since before the beginning of the world. God knew before the creation and the garden that He would one day become a man and die for the sin of mankind. He already knew about Calvary because He already knew about EVIL and His plan of salvation. He had to create EVIL so we (man kind) could have a plan of salvation!

Hogback

If God did not create evil, then He has lost control of His creation. ( that's called "dualism") His plan of salvation was an after thought or a response to something satan did. I'd rather believe that God actually created evil as a part of His plan and that He already had a plan of salvation in motion. God is in charge of His creation and He has never reacted to anything. Satan is just another servant of God. In fact, he is probably more fathful than any of us because he has never had a day off. If Satan would have understood God's plan for salvation he would never have crucified Jesus.

vettelover Loc: Richmond Va

He is PAID to bash Christians.

There is one certainty, everyone dies and there will be no second chances after that!

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

Ezekiel 28: 1-10 refers to the man king of Tyre, Ezk 28: 11-19 refers to the spirit behind the king of Tyre. That would be Lucifer.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I am not sure to whom you are replying..... could you either address the individual in your comment or better, use the quote reply button.
This way we will have your reply and should we need, the comment that prompted your response. Many thanks.

son of witless

Being a Christian nation and having no government coercion forcing anyone to follow Christianity are not incompatible. No I am not calling President Ronald Reagan a liar. I am saying that your implication is invalid.

Try a little harder in your next word trap.

son of witless

Raylon,

Also try answering my question with an answer and not another question.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

I studied this a longggggg time ago. This is simular....

http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/19665/where-does-the-old-testament-mention-the-devil

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

I respectfully disagree, you seem to be basing your conclusions entirely on verses 13, 14, and 16. Wherein the reference of a 'cherub' in the 'garden of G*d in Eden' as proof of this interpretation. But reading the king of Tyre (Hiram) as a supernatural angelic figure is completely incongruent with the statement that he is 'but a man' (as opposed to 'a god'; 28.2,9) and that he would be killed by 'the uncircumcised, by the hand of foreigners' (28.10), and that his chief sin emerged from his wealthy trade (28.4-5,15-16,18). The references to the king of Tyre as a 'cherub' who was in 'Eden' should be understood as a metaphor that describes the king's great privilege and blessing, and hence just how terrible his condemnation is.

Far too often humans hide behind a devil, they accuse him of tempting and making them sin. The truth is, the devil or the satan can not do anything to you, he can not force you to sin. Only you (and you alone) can and do make the choice to follow the rules/Laws given to you by G*d, you can chose to allow others to tell you that the Laws do not apply to you, a gentile, that they were "done away with" as many did when they accepted the teachings of Saul or Pauline Christianity. But, in the end....at the time of your personal judgment, you will stand alone as the only one to answer for your own sins. The satan will not stand as your scapegoat and neither will your preacher, teacher, minister, or other religious leader; also absent will be your parents, your neighbor, or members of your gang; blaming others to include the satan will not absolve you for making damnable decisions. Your sins belong you.

As with the king of Tryre, Hiram, he and his town had it all but the prophesy came true. "Alexander did far more against Tyre than Shalmaneser or Nebuchadnezzar had done. Not content with crushing her, he took care that she never should revive; for he founded Alexandria as her substitute, and changed forever the track of the commerce of the world." (Edward Creasy, Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World, ch. 4). Tyre was rebuilt near the old site in southern Lebanon with a population of around 100,000 people, under the concrete and asphalt of the streets and roads, Alexander's "mole" can be found. But, as in prophesy, the site of the original town is no more than ruins.

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

I politely disagree with you, that it's a metaphor. Some things are but this isn't. Nice try, no cigar.