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Fact: According to the bible god created Evil!
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Sep 8, 2017 00:00:57   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
Enough said!



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Sep 8, 2017 00:26:05   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Enough said!



Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that “I create evil” in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.

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Sep 8, 2017 00:34:33   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
JFlorio wrote:
Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that “I create evil” in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.
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Fact; according to the bible god created evil!

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Sep 8, 2017 00:38:50   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Fuking retard. There are differnt interpretations because of the different languages for one God you're stupid. Why do you even bring up religeon?
Whether there's a God (as I believe) or not you are an idiot.
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Fact; according to the bible god created evil!

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Sep 8, 2017 00:38:51   #
PeterS
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Enough said!


God created all things so of course god would be the creator of evil...

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Sep 8, 2017 00:41:08   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Enough said!


The translation is rough, but adequate. Oseh shalom u'voreh ra .... G*d did indeed create everything.... Do not just go to Isiah for understanding, go to Genesis.... G*d made it clear that the Tree of Knowledge was commanded to grow by the word, darkness and light, earth and the heavens, water from land..... He also made it clear that we can choose the "trouble" (the word that Romans translated poorly from Hebrew to Evil) or we can chose to follow His instructions. Let me ask, would you know sour if you had never tasted sweet?

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Sep 8, 2017 00:46:11   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Enough said!




Why are you so compelled to attack God?
Ignorantly using scripture out of context is a fools work.

Is God really the one who created evil? To answer the question we must first look at how the word for evil, rah, is used in the Bible, examine the context of the Isaiah 45:7 passage, and look at other passages on the same subject.

First of all, the Hebrew word for evil, rah, is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as evil. The other 232 times it is translated as wicked, bad, hurt, harm, ill, sorrow, mischief, displeased, adversity, affliction, trouble, calamity, grievous, misery, and trouble. So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as evil. This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as calamity by the NASB and NKJV; disaster by the NIV; and woe by the RSV.

Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7).

Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example,

"And the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11).
"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6).
Also, take note that Isaiah is presenting contrasts. He speaks of "light" and "darkness," "well being" and "calamity." The word "well-being" in the Hebrew is the word for 'peace,' "Shalome." So, in the context, we are seeing two sets of opposites: Light and dark, peace and non-peace, or well being and calamity. The "evil" that is spoken of is not ontological evil, but the evil experienced by people in the form of calamity.

From the above two verses (Exodus 4:11; Amos 3:6) we can see that the Lord is involved in calamity and problems in the earthly realm. Exodus 4:11 is speaking of human frailty and Amos 3:6 is speaking of woes in a city. It is not a moral evil that God brings, but calamity and distress upon people.
Of course, this raises other questions of why God would do such a thing, which I won't cover here. But, we can trust that whatever God does is just and is used for teaching, guiding, and disciplining His people.

Third, there are other verses that clearly show that God is pure and that He cannot approve of evil.

“The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He," (Deut. 32:4).
"Thine eyes are too pure to approve evil, and Thou canst not look on wickedness with favor," (Hab. 1:13).
We can see that the Bible teaches that God is pure and does not approve of evil, that the word rah (evil) in Hebrew can mean many things, and that contextually the verse is speaking of calamity and distress. Therefore, God does not create evil in the moral sense, but in the sense of disaster or calamity.

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Sep 8, 2017 00:49:34   #
PeterS
 
JFlorio wrote:
Fuking retard. There are differnt interpretations because of the different languages for one God you're stupid. Why do you even bring up religeon?
Whether there's a God (as I believe) or not you are an idiot.

There are different interpretations for whether god created evil? Either he did or he didn't--there is nothing complicated about that...

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Sep 8, 2017 00:49:42   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Wasting your time on this dolt. I just gave him the exact same statements. He'll never know because he is an atheiest who doesn't want to know.
jack sequim wa wrote:
Why are you so compelled to attack God?
Ignorantly using scripture out of context is a fools work.

Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.” How does Isaiah 45:7 agree with the view that God did not create evil? There are two key facts that need to be considered. (1) The word translated “evil” is from a Hebrew word that means “adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery.” Notice how the other major English Bible translations render the word: “disaster” (NIV, HCSB), “calamity” (NKJV, NAS, ESV), and “woe” (NRSV). The Hebrew word can refer to moral evil, and often does have this meaning in the Hebrew Scriptures. However, due to the diversity of possible definitions, it is unwise to assume that “I create evil” in Isaiah 45:7 refers to God bringing moral evil into existence.

(2) The context of Isaiah 45:7 makes it clear that something other than “bringing moral evil into existence” is in mind. The context of Isaiah 45:7 is God rewarding Israel for obedience and punishing Israel for disobedience. God pours out salvation and blessings on those whom He favors. God brings judgment on those who continue to rebel against Him. “Woe to him who quarrels with his Master” (Isaiah 45:9). That is the person to whom God brings “evil” and “disaster.” So, rather than saying that God created “moral evil,” Isaiah 45:7 is presenting a common theme of Scripture – that God brings disaster on those who continue in hard-hearted rebellion against Him.
Why are you so compelled to attack God? br Ignora... (show quote)

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Sep 8, 2017 00:49:54   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
PeterS wrote:
God created all things so of course god would be the creator of evil...


God created evil! Are you speaking of all those who are raping millions of children every year and the millions of children who starve to death each year! Why would one worship such a deity, that would allow that to happen? Only fools would worship god who would allow such a travesty to occur!



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Sep 8, 2017 00:55:44   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
JFlorio wrote:
Wasting your time on this dolt. I just gave him the exact same statements. He'll never know because he is an atheiest who doesn't want to know.




"One cannot serve two masters "

Marxist /liberals and atheist are lead by the power of satan. We see this in Ferguson, Charlottesville, Baltimore, the crying and fits when Trump won, the liberal media's attack on conservatives, and Rylan Wolf's non-stop assault against conservatives and doubles down on conservative Christians.

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Sep 8, 2017 01:00:59   #
Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
"One cannot serve two masters "

Marxist /liberals and atheist are lead by the power of satan. We see this in Ferguson, Charlottesville, Baltimore, the crying and fits when Trump won, the liberal media's attack on conservatives, and Rylan Wolf's non-stop assault against conservatives and doubles down on conservative Christians.


Why would any person serve trump or a god, both who created evil!



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Sep 8, 2017 01:05:53   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
do you hate your parents because they created stupid?
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Why would any person serve trump or a god, both who created evil!

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Sep 8, 2017 01:06:26   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Raylan Wolfe wrote:
Why would any person serve trump or a god, both who created evil!



Arriving at the border of the Promised Land, the Israelites sent out 12 spies to reconnoiter the areas. When 10 of the 12 spies brought back an “evil”(Numbers 13:32) analysis of Canaan’s conditions and the people accepted their faithless assessment. God condemned the population to 40 years of desert meandering until all those 20 years and older had died (Numbers 14:29). God would only permit the next generation to enter the land (Numbers 14:30-31).

But what, in the meantime, were these children, the younger generation, to do? Must they actually suffer for their parents’ sin and wander in the desert for 40 years as well? Notice God’s answer: “And your sons shall be shepherds in the wilderness forty years, and bear the brunt of your infidelity…” (Numbers 14:33). Other translations render the last phrase “suffer for your unfaithfulness” (NASB, NIV; cf. ESV, RSV). The children would suffer for the unfaithfulness of their parents. Many people simply do not accept this biblical principle. They cannot see how the innocent can suffer for the sins of others. This misconception easily leads to further error: seeking to offset the unavoidable consequences of man’s disobedience to God (cf. Numbers 14:40-45).

When parents forsake the assembly (Hebrews 10:25), their sin takes its toll on their children in the form of lost teaching, poor parental example, absence of Christian association, etc. The children suffer for their parents’ sin.

When parents abuse their bodies by taking drugs, drinking alcohol, smoking, contracting venereal disease, etc., their children experience physical problems at birth and later hardships in the form of inadequate nutrition, insufficient finances, neglect, etc. The children suffer for their parents’ sin.

When parents hypocritically instruct their children to conduct themselves in certain ways, but then fail to follow their own advice and excuse their behavior by telling their children to “do as I say, not as I do,” the children grow up rejecting the parents’ good instruction. The children suffer for their parents’ sin.

When parents divorce and remarry in violation of God’s law, forming an adulterous union that, in God’s sight, cannot continue, the children experience rejection, loneliness, bewilderment. If the parents obey God and terminate the unlawful marriage, the children will live in a home environment that’s not all it could have been. The children will suffer for their parents’ sin. But such is no justification for encouraging the parents to continue committing adultery in order to minimize the children’s suffering.

Must the children suffer? Sadly, tragically, yes—when parents sin. But rather than change God’s law, doubt God’s mercy, or dodge the consequences of sin, put the blame where it belongs: man’s defiance of God. Then, obey God—no matter what.

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Sep 8, 2017 01:07:32   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Do you not see that it is not G*d who rapes or allows children to starve, it is people. G*d has given us freedom to chose to not harm one another, the world that is capable of feeding everyone.... if we chose to do so. Do not be foolish and look to G*d as an escape from your own sins. G*d is not responsible for what we create from His goodness. If you have children, put this in perspective... can you truly control what they do and think? Of course not, they are individuals with free will. They will do things that will disappoint you, but their mistakes belong to them. Yes, you should teach them to be correct, as G*d taught us by giving His rules/Laws, but you can not force them to always do the right thing. So is it that G*d can not force us to be righteous. G*d can not sin, only humans can sin....

Raylan Wolfe wrote:
God created evil! Are you speaking of all those who are raping millions of children every year and the millions of children who starve to death each year! Why would one worship such a deity, that would allow that to happen? Only fools would worship god who would allow such a travesty to occur!

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