Steve700

In my attempts to engage you on this issue you have repeatedly failed to Address and Deal With the specific points (that dismantle your argument) that I have continually asked you to deal with. There is something seriously Wrong with you. I can not imagine myself ever being that unco-operative, selfish & obstinate, but then I am a decent person with integrity who has my fellow human being's best interest at hart. You are both irritating immature uncooperative and obstinate truth suppressing ass hole and idiot incapable of rational discussion. You have any integrity and are not to be taken seriously. Go to hell and see how much of your nonsense Satan puts up with.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Engage me on this issue? WTF do you think I am doing responding to you? The only bar you set for what you call "engagement" is if someone agrees with you. When someone challenges you or disagrees with you, you go all pissy and resort to personal insults and name calling. Worse than a frigging liberal.

One thing I learned a long time ago is that if you want to be effective in debating an issue or arguing a point, especially one that has an important objective, you have to learn as much as possible about what you are debating against, you have to know what your opposition's positions are and what the meat of their argument is. You have to know where your adversary is coming from. Otherwise you are just shooting in the dark.

I have watched enough 9/11 conspiracy videos and read enough of the arguments and the truther "stories" to fill the Chicago garbage dumps. I know where you conspiracy theorists are coming from and I absolutely reject your theories. All those speculations, fabrications, fallacious contradictions, revisionist history, manipulated data, and butchery of engineering principles and the laws of science. David Chandler's mangling of Newton's laws of motion in his attempt to explain the collapse of WTC1 is one of the most egregious failures to maintain scientific integrity I have ever seen.

But you, Steve, you don't have a clue from where those who argue against you are coming from. You demand that we watch the videos you post, but you flat out reject anything we post that contradicts your picture of things. You probably have never read the 9/11 commission report or the reams of NIST, FEMA, and NCSTAR investigative reports, yet you seem to think those are the only documentation of 9/11 events that we adhere to. Have you read any of the analyses and research by independent scientific and engineering institutions that strongly refute the conspiracy you are so stridently, and often obscenely, defending?

Have you read any commentary or reports by the 123,000 members of ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers) who reject the 9/11 conspiracy? Have you read any reports or commentaries from any of the 80,000 members of AIA (American Institute of Architects), or from the 120,000 members of ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers), or from any of the 370,000 members of IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) or from any of the 40,000 members of AIChE (American Institute of Chemical Engineers), or the 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics). all of whom reject the work of AE911Truth and the Pilots and Loose Change and the many other 9/11 conspiracy groups or individuals?

Have you read the FDNY full report on 9/11, or any analyses by fire engineering or demolition industry firms that reveal so many of the fallacies and falsifications created by the 9/11 conspiracy? Have you watched any full length video documentaries of 9/11 that refute the conspiracy? Such as 9/11 by FDNY firefighter James Hanlon and the Naudet brothers?

No, you haven't. You have summarily rejected every attempt we make to post anything that disagrees with or challenges your view of things, and you have even gone so far as to criticize and condemn us for having the nerve to expose you to it.

One serious problem with your argument is that you constantly weave religious and metaphysical elements into it that dilutes the focus and totally confuses the issue. When you start bringing God and Satan into your argument, you are going far outside what is and can be known in the relative world. And you think you are being rational? You think you are being cooperative, selfless and forthright?

The scary thing is that the entire 9/11 conspiracy movement is without a doubt suppressing the truth and doing so with every disingenuous and dishonest tactic they can possibly muster. And to hell with logic, reason, critical thought and even common sense.

buffalo Loc: Texas

The "official story" doesn't just suppress the truth, it is full of LIES. There are just as many experts that question the "official story".

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

Steve700

Don't bother wasting your time making those long posts because I'm not going to engage an uncooperative , delusional, projecting convinced nincompoop who is stuck on stupid and has no integrity. --- Much less waste my time reading their nonsense.

Steve700

I just took a look at what your link brought me to and it is one of many things that Blade Runner should be taking a look at. He needs to know how many people of high position and integrity know that this (along with Obama's presidency) is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people (and the world). His mind is made up, and he doesn't care. He's a true believer in the government story and thinks that anyone who doubts it is an imbecile who believes made up stories and assertions put forth by frauds and liars. He won't look at anything that contradicts or threatens the premise of his beliefs but just says that he has seen it all. He refuses to address any questions that there is no other answer to other than that 9/11 was an inside job and he is never going to open your link or watch anyone's videos. He is firmly stuck on stupid and Not to be taken seriously.

Steve700

Cut and pasted from my other reply to you from my duplicate article with the words (New Information) added to the title
1st off, calling me a Muslim is really absurdly ridiculous and over-the-top. Even calling me a Muslim sympathizer is absurd. Even implying that I might be a Muslim is absurd. 2ndly, the only reason you don't realize that 9/11 was an inside job is because you haven't seen one of the full feature white video documentaries about 9/11 and there are quite a few of them. I certainly didn't believe it myself until I saw Loose Change a 2 hour documentary going over many of the things that there is no answer to other than that 9/11 was an inside job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY5pg2n95ko (2 hrs. 9 Min.) I guarantee if you watch it (available on YouTube) you will know for certain, as well. As hard as it may be to believe that our government would do such a thing you WILL be convinced by the absolutely astoundingly large mountain of evidence. Also if you were to look into Cheney's Project For A New American Century you will understand why they did it. In short, the reason is because they secretly understood Islam's real incompatibility with Western values, & Made plans to take over 7 mid east countries starting with Afghanistan and Iraq and they needed to justify it to the American people that they needed the American people to get behind that effort.

3rdly, I did not erase anything. You think I did because this is my 2nd post with the same title, except I added the words New Information to the title this time. It was the earlier post 2 days previous that you put your nearly identical reply in. I have no ability to remove anything that you post. Also, cell phones do not work in flying airliners. Calls get dropped off right away because the speed prohibits a quick enough transfer from tower to tower.

You are talking about videos being Photo-shopped, but I assure you that's not the case and you need to watch the links for the videos and the article that I provided in both my initial post and the very next one after that. One of them is a video of only a minute and a half or you can clearly see the demolition explosions going off 3 or 4 floors below the floors that are falling in on each other as the collapse proceeds all the way down. Also, there are aerial videos showing all around both the Pentagon and that field, both close up and at a distance. And like the pictures I put up, I'm telling you there is no wreckage of an airliner, no seats, no luggage, no dead bodies, no black boxes only 3 small fuselage pieces, no parts of a cockpit, no tail section, only one out of 8 or more wheels, no engines, but one at the Pentagon and that doesn't even fit or wasn't used on that kind of airliner. The totality of what is there at each of these location amounts to no more than what could be put in the back of one pickup truck.

I agree with you about what you say about the Muslims and our government is not so stupid as to not realize that. They had hoped to get a prosperous democracy going in Iraq that other Islamic countries would want to emulate, but that didn't happen so now they are deliberately creating chaos in the Middle East so that they will form a caliphate, become more of a problem than we can have reason to destroy them. Please see that loose change video and the video and article links that I provided, then you will have some real knowledge upon which to base an opinion. And by the way I am a staunch conservative. Certainly you know that it is the liberals who have an unholy alliance with the Muslims. not the conservatives.

Steve700

(God, Satan and the end times are all part of this 9/11 thing in the truth will come out fully and become common knowledge and that's even in the Bible when it says that All secrets of the rulers will be revealed to the people before the destruction) ----------- And by the way I forgot to insert this at the bottom of my last post.

I know I'm fun with my pictures and for you to aggravate but don't bother making a reply. Go annoy someone else

badbob85037

You would have me believe a 757 flying at impossible speed after striking three light poles making them look like they just popped out of the ground crashes into a 8 foot hole then vanishes along with it's two 7 ton titanium engines but they are able to ID all but one of the people in the plane didn't happen? OK I'll believe it didn't happen if you believe a 737 can fly through a steel building cutting all the 36" x 36" steel box columns then come out the other side without damage.

badbob85037

See you proved it was an inside job when you said " They were able to call, communicated with their families, and reported that their flight was hijacked by terrorists." You might remember a few years ago the airline industry made a big deal you could now make a cell phone call from a jet liner as each jet has it's own cell tower. In 2001 those call would have been impossible to make at 2,000 feet let alone 30,000. I know it's hard to think your government pulled off something as murderous as 9/11 but when everything they told us goes against the facts of science and nature and then attack Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11 and since we murdered over a million and a half people in Iraq alone how can you believe we are some how the good guy in this The world has good reason to hate us.

Steve700

The people that hate America are those on the left (like you) and here is the obvious proof:

This is the agenda of the Communist Party for the takeover of America. And it is the Democratic Party that is carrying this out. Just look at how the Libs they have accomplished sending us down the road to Tyranny. This is number 15 through 43 of the 45 goals of the Communist Party for the overthrow of America entered into the Congressional record in 1963. How do you justify this, you jackass ???

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate
civil rights
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda.
Soften the curriculum. Get control of the teachers associations. But the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control over all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist
attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book- review assignments, editorial writings, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue disconnecting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American
Communist cell was told to "Eliminate all the good sculpture from parks and buildings, substituting
shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms".
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums.
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free
press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines,
motion picture, radio and TV.
26. Promote homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy".
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize
the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch".
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religions expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the
principle of "separation of church and state"
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. discredit the American founding fathers present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the
"common man" (this is the way the founding fathers are noe presented in our school system)
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it
was only a minor part of the "big picture".
32. Support any social movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture, education, social
agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws and procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House committee on un-American activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control over the unions
37. Infiltrate and gain control over big business
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavior problems as
psychiatric disorders, which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat]
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control for
those who oppose Communist goals
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices,
mental blocks and retardation of children to the suppressive influences of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of American tradition; that
Students and special interest group should rise up and use "United Force" to resolve economic, political
and social problems.

These are the goals of the Communist Party, the Democrats and the globalist for the subversion of America so that we can be acclimated into the comming one world communist government of total control. Both Trump and Putin are against that, wanting to maintain the sovereignty of their own nations. That is why liberal leaders and the leftist news demonizes Russia 9& Trump) so much, when they haven't even been communist. any more for a few years.

Radiance3

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Steve, I think we have great misunderstanding. I agree with all your enumerated and summarized events about the LEFT, and democrats. Fact is I like them all, and I am glad you wrote them.

I am a conservative, defending this country, and all the American people who truly love and protect this land. I am a Republican, a Christian loving and caring person. Except those who want to kill us, like terrorist Islam, and lying democrats.

Perhaps you have issues written before that I misunderstood, and replied according to what I've read. I apologize for that.

First, I am not a jackass. I've worked for 45 years, before I retired as a CPA. But I love this country, I am patriotic to this country; my husband died in Vietnam when called for duty, he obeyed. We were both students and young. He never came back alive, the most painful moments of my life. Now, I am old, but I will try my best to defend the values, and sacrifices that the American patriots and the Founders have put up. May God bless you always!

Steve700

I'm sorry for your loss, long ago as it may be. There are a few things worse than that. Also, please accept my humble apology for my incorrect assessment on your political views. Taking into account the way you called me a Muslim and your government supporting views regarding 9/11, I naturally presumed you to be a flaming liberal.

You obviously have not seen any of the full feature length video documentaries on 9/11. There are quite a few of them and most anyone of them should turn your thinking around. The totality of the evidence is so absolutely overwhelming that it leaves no doubt. In general, most people who have not seen any of those documentaries don't believe our government is capable of doing such a thing and anyone who has seen them as no doubt but that it was an inside job. Even among the hour and a half and to our documentaries. Only half of the information contained in any one will you find in another one. There is so many factors, circumstances. And questions that there just simply is no other answer to but that it was an inside job. Do yourself a favor and see at least one of those full feature length video documentaries. -- Or a bunch of different smaller ones on the many different aspects giving through that the government's narrative is bull shit.

Also see this article that I did on 911. Recently. It alone, including the links should convince you to reassess your opinion. Also, please read all my posts within the debsting of the article, as I give additional information and the other pages. Open your mind and realize that although Bush told us that Islam had been hijacked by a few radicals, he understood these supremacist agenda of Islamic theology and needed an excuse to get America behind the idea of dealing with Arab Islam by taking over 7 Mideast countries in the next few years as outlined in Cheney's Project For A New American Century. Bush is the globalist and I'm sure he felt that sacrifice was for the greater good and helping bring the globalist agenda come into fruition. See my article here: http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-108414-1.html

I just noticed now, after giving you the link that that link is the article I am responding to you in. Put your preconceived notions aside, try to be objective and take a better look as well as looking at more evidence. The proof is there.

Radiance3

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Steve, I respect your assessment on the 9/11 issue. But I stand firm on the results of my analysis that 9/11 was a terrorist attack. I had been discussing this issue with another party Jean Deaux, since Jan. 2016. I have presented the facts of my arguments in detail and conclusions. Repeating these events is already tiring and stressful for me to handle. I hope and perhaps, Jean may be able to read your presentation, and perhaps align with you on this matter. We both agreed to disagree. This is how I will end this case with you.

Thank you.

Radiance3

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Flight 93, hijacked near Pennsylvania Ave. on 9/11 was not flying at 30,000 ft. You lied! It was going downward while the hijackers wrestled with the pilot to take control of the plane.
Here is a brief scene of the event. Liz, the wife, received the call from her husband Jeremy Glick from the flight 93 while the airline was under terrorist control.

"Jeremy Glick knew that he was probably doomed. The hijackers had told the 45 passengers and crew of United Airlines Flight 93, bound from Newark to San Francisco, that they planned to blow up the plane. But Glick, a salesman for an Internet company, was able to place a mobile-phone call to his wife, Lyz, back at their home in northern New Jersey. "He did not sound panicked" Lyz told Newsweek. "Maybe he was just trying to be strong for me. He was pretty clearheaded." Glick told his wife that he had heard from another passenger, who had also called home on a mobile phone, that two planes had already plunged into the twin towers of the World Trade Center."

Steve700

You are just parroting the government's narrative. You don't know that that is really true at all. The truth of the matter is, as I showed you with pictures in the 2nd post on page 1 here, THERE IS NO AIRLINER WRECKAGE IN THAT FIELD. Look again. That's ALL there is, is that one little truckload of partially melted aluminum scrap pieces in that hole. No scattered wreckage over that field. Look at the Lockerbie airliner wreckage and you see stuff scattered all over. The wings are something like 150 feet wings span. Where are there remains? That's it. No scattered seats, luggage, body parts, engines, fuselage, wings, cockpit, tailpiece, plastic and carpets from the interior. NOTHING -- NOTHING! You need to look again. And I know you didn't watch any of those full-length feature film length video documentaries & you need to do that too. There is no airplane wreckage at the Pentagon either, nor any mark or signs of any wings having hit for 75 feet in each direction of that hole.