You are just parroting the government's narrative. You don't know that that is really true at all. The truth of the matter is, as I showed you with pictures in the 2nd post on page 1 here, THERE IS NO AIRLINER WRECKAGE IN THAT FIELD. Look again. That's ALL there is, is that one little truckload of partially melted aluminum scrap pieces in that hole. No scattered wreckage over that field. Look at the Lockerbie airliner wreckage and you see stuff scattered all over. The wings are something like 150 feet wings span. Where are there remains? That's it. No scattered seats, luggage, body parts, engines, fuselage, wings, cockpit, tailpiece, plastic and carpets from the interior. NOTHING -- NOTHING! You need to look again. And I know you didn't watch any of those full-length feature film length video documentaries & you need to do that too. There is no airplane wreckage at the Pentagon either, nor any mark or signs of any wings having hit for 75 feet in each direction of that hole.

In my attempts to engage you on this issue you have repeatedly failed to Address and Deal With the specific points (that dismantle your argument) that I have continually asked you to deal with. There is something seriously Wrong with you. I can not imagine myself ever being that unco-operative, selfish & obstinate, but then I am a decent person with integrity who has my fellow human being's best interest at hart. You are both irritating immature uncooperative and obstinate truth suppressing ass hole and idiot incapable of rational discussion. You have any integrity and are not to be taken seriously. Go to hell and see how much of your nonsense Satan puts up with.

Since you must know a lot about it maybe you could help me with a few problems I have swallowing the story and I really hate to think our government is ran by a bunch of murdering criminals.
1) The second plane that hit tower 1 the footage shows the plane entering the building it also shows 2 or 3 frames of the plane coming out of the other side of the building and it looks like it had no damage. How did a 100 ton aluminum plane cut through all those 36" steel box columns without showing damage.
2) Before the outer wall fell at the Pentagon it was a small hole 8 to 10 feet across. For the first time a jet crashed on land and left no wreckage so how did they ID all but one on the dead?
3) Jet fuel is close to kerosene, if it has continuous fuel it can get as hot as 1,400 degrees. How do you explain after 2 months of digging areas uncovered still reach over 2,000 degrees?
4) We were all taught in school the laws of science and nature always hold true. How does someone believe on 9/11 those rules didn't apply?
5) For the second time in history a plane crashed and left no wreckage. The only difference this one fell into a small hole in the ground. Where did 100 tons of wreckage go, including the two 7 ton titanium engines.
6) What is low temperature thermal expansion?
7) A few years ago the airline industry made a big deal over you could now make cell phone calls from a plane thanks to each plane having it's own cell tower. Yet over and over again these cell phone calls got through at 30,000 feet. The people that tested this impossible occurrence couldn't get a call out at 2,000 feet let alone 30,000. What made 9/11 different that these calls got through again and again.

I know it's hard to think a government of a nation we all love could murder over 2,000 of it's own as an excuse to wage war on nation after nation but you can't let the laws of science take a back seat to a group of thugs saying you believe what we tell you or you are an American hating traitor. The 9/11 commission was a bad joke the way they cherry picked which facts to use and which facts to ignore. The ones that died that day need justice from a nation famous for false flags allowing us to invade nations. Since that day America has butchered over 2 million innocent people who had nothing to do with that day. Hell it even might of been a terrorist attack but that attack didn't bring straight down 3 buildings from fires for the first time in history.

"What is your bottom line for digging this up?" Justice.

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You stupid Muslim sympathizer. Don't you compare a mandarin hotel in China with the 9/11 terror attacked.
The 9/11 terror attack, the 19 Muslim hijackers chose airlines traveling to California because of the distance and loaded with 20,000 gallons of gasoline each, which burned rapidly the targeted buildings. United Airline, and the American airline witnessed and testified that their airplanes were hijacked by the 19 Muslims.

Mandarin hotel was not smashed with an airplane loaded with 20,000 gallon fuel.

Because someone understands the facts that absolutely prove that the government's narrative about 9/11 is bull shit does not make them UBL supporters or Muslim sympathizers. Please stop with that slanderous nonsense. That Mandarin Hotel had a far, FAR more extensive and longer burning fire and was way under built compared to the universally understood to be well over bilts twin towers. When the fires in the twin tower burn for a far shorter time with only smaller oxygen starved localized areas don't act like it means nothing that it came down when the Mandarin skyscraper didn't.

You can't answer a single one of the questions that I brought up and don't give a damn as you willfully just ignore them, including the fact there was no wreckage of an airliner either in that field or at the Pentagon. Although they immediately cordoned off the areas to keep people out there was immediate helicopter videos they couldn't prevent being taken, both close-ups and at a distance of both of those entire areas and I'm telling you there was No air plane wreckage. Only one small truckload of random parts they took individual pictures of. I don't understand for the life of me how people can be so deliberately willfully blind. You talk about hell, but apparently think God is okay with self deceivers. I understand it's mentally painful to accept that kind of truth, but running away from it will be worse in the end. You need to see some of that video information I was speaking of and quit living a lie because it's more comfortable.

Since you must know a lot about it maybe you could help me with a few problems I have swallowing the story and I really hate to think our government is ran by a bunch of murdering criminals.
1) The second plane that hit tower 1 the footage shows the plane entering the building it also shows 2 or 3 frames of the plane coming out of the other side of the building and it looks like it had no damage. How did a 100 ton aluminum plane cut through all those 36" steel box columns without showing damage..

I know it's hard to think a government of a nation we all love could murder over 2,000 of it's own as an excuse to wage war on nation after nation but you can't let the laws of science take a back seat to a group of thugs saying you believe what we tell you or you are an American hating traitor. The 9/11 commission was a bad joke the way they cherry picked which facts to use and which facts to ignore. The ones that died that day need justice from a nation famous for false flags allowing us to invade nations. Since that day America has butchered over 2 million innocent people who had nothing to do with that day. Hell it even might of been a terrorist attack but that attack didn't bring straight down 3 buildings from fires for the first time in history.

So that's the official story, huh?

I guess the official story tellers didn't mention that Hanjour was backed up by 3 muscle hijackers who had extensive training in hijacking aircraft and who were armed with razor sharp boxcutters. They probably never mentioned that the two pilots were strapped in their seats with their backs to the hijackers. The official story tellers also failed to mention that Hanjour trained in big jet simulators and held a valid Commercial pilot's license, which indicates that he was well acquainted with jetliner instrument panels and controls and obviously knew how to use them. With a commercial rating, a pilot knows how to use GPS and radio navigation systems and certainly doesn't need directions from ATC to get where he wants to go. Moreover, once Hanjour had control of the aircraft he executed a slight turn to the southwest then immediately shutoff the transponder. At that point the ATC controller tracking him lost him. Without the primary radar return, Flight 77 was a ghost among thousands of radar blips on the screens.

The official story tellers probably never figured out that Hanjour needed to deal with only three things to hit his target--flight controls, throttles, and navigation. He wasn't concerned about engine temps, RPMs, fuel consumption, or radio communication. He obviously was not overly concerned about the well being of the passengers or popping a few wing rivets during heavy flight maneuvers. Hanjour was on a suicide mission with one objective in mind, and he didn't give a flying f*ck how he got that done. Whatever it takes was the hijackers' motto. Allahu Akbar was their war cry.

Apparently, the official story tellers never mentioned that, from the rubble in the Pentagon, they recovered the Flight Data Recorder for American Airlines Boeing 757-200, registration #N644AA, Flight 77. After extensive data analyses, the data recovered from the FDR revealed a complete flight profile that agreed with radar data from FAA ARTC centers, Washington Dulles Approach Control and the USAF 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron. The FDR recorded all flight parameters from take off to impact. The data also agreed with damage to light poles, angle of impact, and other details of the crash.

But, what the hell, those truther narratives are entertaining to say the least. Official story or no official story.

Engage me on this issue? WTF do you think I am doing responding to you? The only bar you set for what you call "engagement" is if someone agrees with you. When someone challenges you or disagrees with you, you go all pissy and resort to personal insults and name calling. Worse than a frigging liberal.

One thing I learned a long time ago is that if you want to be effective in debating an issue or arguing a point, especially one that has an important objective, you have to learn as much as possible about what you are debating against, you have to know what your opposition's positions are and what the meat of their argument is. You have to know where your adversary is coming from. Otherwise you are just shooting in the dark.

I have watched enough 9/11 conspiracy videos and read enough of the arguments and the truther "stories" to fill the Chicago garbage dumps. I know where you conspiracy theorists are coming from and I absolutely reject your theories. All those speculations, fabrications, fallacious contradictions, revisionist history, manipulated data, and butchery of engineering principles and the laws of science. David Chandler's mangling of Newton's laws of motion in his attempt to explain the collapse of WTC1 is one of the most egregious failures to maintain scientific integrity I have ever seen.

But you, Steve, you don't have a clue from where those who argue against you are coming from. You demand that we watch the videos you post, but you flat out reject anything we post that contradicts your picture of things. You probably have never read the 9/11 commission report or the reams of NIST, FEMA, and NCSTAR investigative reports, yet you seem to think those are the only documentation of 9/11 events that we adhere to. Have you read any of the analyses and research by independent scientific and engineering institutions that strongly refute the conspiracy you are so stridently, and often obscenely, defending?

Have you read any commentary or reports by the 123,000 members of ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers) who reject the 9/11 conspiracy? Have you read any reports or commentaries from any of the 80,000 members of AIA (American Institute of Architects), or from the 120,000 members of ASME (American Society of Mechanical Engineers), or from any of the 370,000 members of IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) or from any of the 40,000 members of AIChE (American Institute of Chemical Engineers), or the 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics). all of whom reject the work of AE911Truth and the Pilots and Loose Change and the many other 9/11 conspiracy groups or individuals?

Have you read the FDNY full report on 9/11, or any analyses by fire engineering or demolition industry firms that reveal so many of the fallacies and falsifications created by the 9/11 conspiracy? Have you watched any full length video documentaries of 9/11 that refute the conspiracy? Such as 9/11 by FDNY firefighter James Hanlon and the Naudet brothers?

No, you haven't. You have summarily rejected every attempt we make to post anything that disagrees with or challenges your view of things, and you have even gone so far as to criticize and condemn us for having the nerve to expose you to it.

One serious problem with your argument is that you constantly weave religious and metaphysical elements into it that dilutes the focus and totally confuses the issue. When you start bringing God and Satan into your argument, you are going far outside what is and can be known in the relative world. And you think you are being rational? You think you are being cooperative, selfless and forthright?

The scary thing is that the entire 9/11 conspiracy movement is without a doubt suppressing the truth and doing so with every disingenuous and dishonest tactic they can possibly muster. And to hell with logic, reason, critical thought and even common sense.

There is a lot more fact than speculation. And Your in Denial & an IDIOT of NO INTEGRITY . Anyone who takes you seriously on this issue is no smarter than you. And you are being fed fictitious information. No black box was ever found at the Pentagon. There wasn't even any substantial plane wreckage there. You can't say the plane disintegrated when there was one broken off wheel out of 84 do those plans have 16? You're an idiot. And my knowledge there is no for engine jet planes that can go over the speed of sound, and certainly not any passenger airliners. And they cannot approach speeds close to the speed of sound, except up in the thin air of around 30,000 feet. They would be lucky to do 500 at a mile above sea level. Your facts are bogus buddy. From the government or the government's investigators right who never even said a word about the internal steel structure of the twin towers, just like the PBS TV report, giving the government story line . Don't Reply.