proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

I know a doctor who was there when it happened. He helped victims. So stop saying it didnt happen, when it did, you shmocks!!

buffalo Loc: Texas

And he knows exactly what happened? BULLSHIT!

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

NO BULLSHIT!!! He was there, he saw people jumping out of burning building. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW???

buffalo Loc: Texas

He wasn't at the Pentagon!

badbob85037

Maybe then you can answer a few question that the government has ignored:
1, Jet fuel burns like kerosene. Fully fueled it can reach 1,400 degrees. What caused concrete to flow like lava that needs to be at least 3,200 degrees?

2. A few years ago the airline industry made a big deal because you could make a phone call from their planes, each one having it's own cell tower. Why would they make a big deal out of nothing the way all those calls on 9/11 made it through without problems?

3. Tower 1 during it's fall the top 10 floors turned into dust before it fell causing steel beams to reach speeds of 75 mph at a horizontal angle. Only a few months ago they found bone fragments on a roof top of a near by building. What in those buildings causing people and steel to be blown to pieces?

4. When a plane hits a light pole it crashes and all aboard are killed. The plane that hit the Pentagon hit 3 of these poles yet still hit it's target and all three poles looked as if they just popped out of the ground with no damaged seen at the top of the poles. How do you explain this.

5 High rises have caught fire before. Some have burned for more than 24 hours destroying the whole building yet none have fallen. Everyone has seen the two towers and building 7 fall. We are asked to believe fire for the first, second, and third time brought these buildings down? We are to believe in a new science made up just for that day called low temperature thermal expansion? And this is a government known for it's false flags to take us to war.

badbob85037

I know shit goes down hill, payday is Friday and a few middle age Muslims with box cutters didn't pull off 9/11.

Nella Loc: La Porte, Texas

I killed a 145# critter last night and cut his head off. Watched the coyotes and bobcats eating last night and vultures today. The ants, flies and worms are takkng over now. I keep practicing my one shot kill and hoping the best for everyone.
I know exactly where I was and remember 2000 people leaving a plant to load weapons and arm themselves that day. The word was, "We've just been attacked"!
I believe the statement that,"we will not be destroyed and defeated by external sources to the US". We will do it ourselves. There's a lot of fight left here and someone will lose badly, God Bless America

teabag09

AMEN! Need to get the eyes back on the ball and quit quibbling with each other about something that happened 16 years ago. I think most of us agree that we can't trust our govt. to do what is right for it's people. I think we all realize there are a lot of dubious characters who have only their own best interest in mind and action. Pay attention to what thinksense was trying to get across. It's deep but it's there for all to see if you only look. Mike

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

So that's the official story, huh?

I guess the official story tellers didn't mention that Hanjour was backed up by 3 muscle hijackers who had extensive training in hijacking aircraft and who were armed with razor sharp boxcutters. They probably never mentioned that the two pilots were strapped in their seats with their backs to the hijackers. The official story tellers also failed to mention that Hanjour trained in big jet simulators and held a valid Commercial pilot's license, which indicates that he was well acquainted with jetliner instrument panels and controls and obviously knew how to use them. With a commercial rating, a pilot knows how to use GPS and radio navigation systems and certainly doesn't need directions from ATC to get where he wants to go. Moreover, once Hanjour had control of the aircraft he executed a slight turn to the southwest then immediately shutoff the transponder. At that point the ATC controller tracking him lost him. Without the primary radar return, Flight 77 was a ghost among thousands of radar blips on the screens.

The official story tellers probably never figured out that Hanjour needed to deal with only three things to hit his target--flight controls, throttles, and navigation. He wasn't concerned about engine temps, RPMs, fuel consumption, or radio communication. He obviously was not overly concerned about the well being of the passengers or popping a few wing rivets during heavy flight maneuvers. Hanjour was on a suicide mission with one objective in mind, and he didn't give a flying f*ck how he got that done. Whatever it takes was the hijackers' motto. Allahu Akbar was their war cry.

Apparently, the official story tellers never mentioned that, from the rubble in the Pentagon, they recovered the Flight Data Recorder for American Airlines Boeing 757-200, registration #N644AA, Flight 77. After extensive data analyses, the data recovered from the FDR revealed a complete flight profile that agreed with radar data from FAA ARTC centers, Washington Dulles Approach Control and the USAF 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron. The FDR recorded all flight parameters from take off to impact. The data also agreed with damage to light poles, angle of impact, and other details of the crash.

But, what the hell, those truther narratives are entertaining to say the least. Official story or no official story.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Believe what you want. There was no 757 that hit the Pentagon. Why were 83 security cameras not able to capture an image as large as a 757?

The last video image from a helicopter shows what really hit the Pentegon.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_90.htm

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You're right, they weren't middle aged Muslims. The leader, Mohammed Atta, was 33, the rest were in their 20s, the youngest was 20 years old. During their training in Afghanistan, they went through considerable PT, and in 2000 and early 2001, when all 19 were in the US, many of them purchased membership in PT gyms where they continued to work out. They were young, they were fit, and they were ready for some extreme violence. After all, they were on a suicide mission for the glory of Allah.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Snagged on a truther site:

Why very few cameras captured the impact event

There are a number of valid reasons why only 4 of the 85 videos were released by the FBI in response to a FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) request filed in 2004, which was fulfilled in 2006. Because of a number of factors (listed below and detailed in the footnotes) only 2 of the 85 cameras captured any useful footage of the plane-impact event.

Most of those 85 cameras were not aimed in the direction of the Pentagon and/or at the part of the Pentagon in question.
Most cameras were located a considerable distance from the impact event, and virtually all surveillance cameras had wide-angle (fisheye) lenses which cause some geometric distortion and render distant objects at very low resolution.
Many cameras had obstructed views of the Pentagon impact area.
In 2001, virtually all surveillance cameras had low spacial resolution.
In 2001, most or all surveillance cameras recorded at low frame rates (low temporal resolution), generally at one frame per second.
The high speed of the plane, accelerating to over 550 mph, caused some image blurring and offered a low chance of catching more than a single frame of the plane, given the low-recorded frame rate (one frame/sec).


But, hey, you can believe whatever fabricated horseshit the truthers spoon feed you. I'll stick with the facts.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

And, how do you know this? You some kind of mind reader or something. Do you have a crystal ball and a Ouija board in your basement?

Liberals think they know everything. Get over yourself, for crying out loud.

Steve700

Where, at what location??? If you were there is certainly noticed that there was no plane wreckage??? (And that's right away within the 1st couple of hours) So how Does That Happen? Those areas were immediately cordoned off, but if there were 5000 people there, out of a country of 340,000,000 . That means that there is only a one out of 6,800 chance that you were actually there, so please excuse me if I don't believe you and think you're full of crap.

If you watched the video, you either didn't know what you are watching , weren't paying attention, didn't to read what I said about what you're seeing or have very low intelligence to persist in your disbelief. And what about the retired CIA agent, who, on his deathbed said he was part of the team of setting the demolition explosives. Do you think of man lies is about something like that on his deathbed? And even then that is just a tiny fraction of the evidence. I would suggest you see loose change or one of the other full feature-length documentaries on the subject, then you might have some basis upon which to render an opinion.

Don't be like that ignorant Blade Runner that runs his mouth with technical opinion nonsense and can't be convinced of anything since he ignores video proof you ask him to look at and ignores all questions that disagree with his irrationally strongly believed premise.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You guys are like a bunch of rowdy brats in a day care looking a picture books, watching looney tunes, playing with finger paints, and telling the adults they are full of shit.

Photos and videos can be easily edited and altered, they can be captioned or narrated to say anything no matter how far fetched, but facts are stubborn things.

I don't have an "irrationally strongly believed premise", Steve, it is you conspiracy loons who are putting out all the premises WITHOUT ANY CONCRETE OR VERIFIABLE PROOF to back them up. It is pure idiocy to think that videos usurp the solid forensics evidence or the objective analyses by reputable science and engineering researchers or the verifiable historical documentation.

I have no problem with the part videos and photos play in the investigations and research into events, they are links in a chain of evidence and researchers use them all the time, but, in such investigations, never is visual data stand alone proof of anything.

Basing all you have on photos and videos is a cop out, it is easy, you don't have to engage the mind, you don't have to think things through, you don't have to get down and dirty and sort through the physical details and deal with established facts. (payne has this fallacious tactic dialed in.) Nope, all you have to do is pop some corn and watch a movie, or eat some ice cream while looking at your picture books.

FYI: I read through that poor fools deathbed confession five times, word for word, line by line, and found so many holes in that story you could pour a bucket of water through it. What that man tried to tell us does not pass the smell test on any level. I've already pointed all this out on these threads, I'm not going to do it again.