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May 12, 2017 10:36:14   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Chocura750 wrote:
I've read on the NASA web page that the temperature of the globe has increase 1.7 F° since 1880. How can anyone say that the world isn't getting warmer?.






Yea, 750, and I do believe that the bombs of {radical} Islam may contribute to at least the ".7 F," you mentioned. Hummmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!!

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May 12, 2017 12:39:46   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
Chocura750 wrote:
I've read on the NASA web page that the temperature of the globe has increase 1.7 F° since 1880. How can anyone say that the world isn't getting warmer?.


And there is not a damn thing you can do about it!

It has nothing to do with man made anything and everything to do with natural cyclical events and solar output. Your man-made global cooling/global warming and the now expedient cover your ass either way the weather goes "Climate Change" is the biggest fcking bullshit scam since the Democrat crime syndicate created the fractional fiat banking system and the ponzi scam called Social Security. Wise the fck up to the crimes that are happrning around you.

Scientifically speaking, some scientist are predicting another mini ice age (Maunder Minimum) is approaching with in the next 5 years. Read and learn and stop being a liberal idiot

The age of the earth is about 4 billion years old. The last "Ice Age" was about 13,000 years ago. When considering the age of the earth, that is like LAST WEEKEND! We are propably still warming from the last ice age. Maybe even from the last Maunder Minimum that took place when our country was founded. Did you ever once consider the real truth? Have you ever followed the money concerning this giant fcking lie? Who benefits and who doesnt?

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May 12, 2017 13:50:38   #
Gatsby
 
I'm sure it was all man made climate change.

Global temperatures fluctuate often and rapidly. Various records reveal numerous large, widespread, abrupt climate changes over the past 100,000 years. One of the more recent intriguing findings is the remarkable speed of these changes. Within the incredibly short time span (by geologic standards) of only a few decades or even a few years, global temperatures have fluctuated by as much as 15°F (8°C) or more.

http://geology.utah.gov/map-pub/survey-notes/glad-you-asked/ice-ages-what-are-they-and-what-causes-them/

Chocura750 wrote:
From what I read there has been no pause or flattening of the global warming trend. The last three years have been the warmest on record and 2017 is projected to be warmer still.

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May 12, 2017 14:08:45   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
EconomistDon wrote:
The world IS getting warmer. Nobody says it isn't. Solar activity increased dramatically since 1880, raising average temperatures across the globe. But since the peak of temperatures in 1998, solar activity has been receding in concert with the flattening of global temperature. It is amusing to watch officials at NOAA and the IPCC fudge temperature data to show annual increases of a few thousandths of a percentage point to justify continued global warming. Like a few thousandths of a percentage point actually makes a difference. CO2 levels continue to rise steadily, despite flattening of the temperature trend during the past 18 years, and that is driving NOAA and the IPCC crazy. It contradicts their theory that CO2 and its greenhouse effect are responsible for global warming. IT IS NOT!!! CO2 is not our enemy, it is an essential compound in the atmosphere. Without CO2, all plants die and then we all die. Without CO2, the world would become a barren wasteland without life. Alarmists are clueless about actual science. And the naive public sucker for their every word.
The world IS getting warmer. Nobody says it isn't... (show quote)


I agree this MMGW & MMCC is bunk but in all fairness, but because CO2 is essential to life does not preclude too much being bad.

Water is essential to life, but you can still drown. The fallacy is that we are nearing lethal CO2 atmospheric concentrations. Proponents of this nonsense actually think man can influence our planet and have done so in the flick of the geological eyelash.

The reality is that if man ever did become a planetary threat, the planet would eliminate man,....but not today.

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May 12, 2017 15:35:07   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
Docadhoc wrote:
I agree this MMGW & MMCC is bunk but in all fairness, but because CO2 is essential to life does not preclude too much being bad.

Water is essential to life, but you can still drown. The fallacy is that we are nearing lethal CO2 atmospheric concentrations. Proponents of this nonsense actually think man can influence our planet and have done so in the flick of the geological eyelash.

The reality is that if man ever did become a planetary threat, the planet would eliminate man,....but not today.
I agree this MMGW & MMCC is bunk but in all f... (show quote)


Great points Doc

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May 12, 2017 16:30:24   #
vernon
 
Chocura750 wrote:
I've read on the NASA web page that the temperature of the globe has increase 1.7 F° since 1880. How can anyone say that the world isn't getting warmer?.



Simple, nasa has been caught in more than one lie concerning climate change.

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May 12, 2017 16:41:02   #
E
 
In Chicago, we used to have our weather monitoring station near Lake Michigan with the moderating effects of the lake. Now they are at an Airport on the far northwest edge of Chicago with the moderating effects of the airport and thousands of jet engines and pollution from them. And yet, we continue to see temperature record comparisons for certain dates or months, etc, that show heat records as far back as the 1930's dust bowl era and even the 1880s. It is called weather. It is not climate change.

I have flown across the Pacific Ocean many times and to see nothing but blue water for 12 to 15 hour and think that man is changing that climate, baffles me.



But lets suppose for the moment that man is creating climate change. Most climate change fanatics say it started with the Industrial Revolution. Have you ever speculated on any other data and rising issues from the start of the Industrial Revolution. Try population growth. https://en.wikipedia.org --- https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth//wiki/World_population I have never yet heard a single politician or Global warming nut case or Climate Change fanatic ever even attempt to address the only real and possible cause. And that is the idiot Democrats and other leftists the world over looking for another tool to control mankind.

The world's population is rising at alarming rates. Skyrocketing. And each and every person exhales about the same amount of CO2 every day. So, on that point alone, we are creating about 7 times as much pollution as we did in 1810. We have many more personal devices from cars to electric tooth brushes, all consuming energy. But they are all getting more efficient due to the advances of technology. We have to heat and cool our homes and we are getting more efficient at that. But there are 7 times as many people doing it as in 1880.

Remember when New York was the most populous city in the world with 5 or 8 million. We now have about 20 cities near or over 20 million. All exhaling CO2.

The bad news is the world population is still increasing at alarming rates. The good news is that the overall increase while still going up, is going up at a continuously lowering rate. The U. S. rate is getting closer to flat lining. And immigration is causing a lot of the increase. It is the rest of the world, not America that is causing the rise in population. But our past POTUS would have America make most of the sacrifices to stop this so called Climate Change. Stupid.

To add to the problem, people all over the world are living longer. Sometimes much longer.

If man is responsible for Global warming, quit reproducing. It is the one real and simple solution. China and India are growing at alarming rates. China tried to stop this process by limiting women to one child. Crude in concept and execution, but at the core of what is needed to slow population growth. One solution would be to give every family a TV and free access to birth control. They'll fall asleep in front of the TV and if they don't, there is the back up birth control.

Poorer countries (they have nothing else to do at night) and deeply religious people (they push reproduction to increase growth of their religion) are all at the worst of this increase.

Back in the 60s and 70s I was of the idea that the creation of the pill was God's way of saying that we have taken over our fair share of the world and it was the time to stop growing. It has only gotten worse. I look at the Octomon and want to puke. The Duggers are even worse. I recently heard a comment from somewhere were some individual was condemned for suggesting a carbon tax on people. Now that makes sense. You breed 'em you feed 'em and you pay for their individual CO2 production until they are 21. Screw you for selfishly, recklessly, over screwing.

I'm sick of women saying they have the right to control their own bodies and then don't control their own bodies in a responsible manner. No woman should willingly have more then two kids in their lifetime. In an over populated world we have women being artificially inseminated for selfish reason. Adopt. I would never suggest abortion. To me, that is murder. But I am all in on birth control. Control yourselves. But don't ask or expect me to pay carbon taxes for you or anyone in the world who over reproduces. Go to hell.



But in reality, Climate Change is a natural thing and man has little to do with it.

cheers

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May 12, 2017 17:32:50   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
EconomistDon wrote:
The world IS getting warmer. Nobody says it isn't. Solar activity increased dramatically since 1880, raising average temperatures across the globe. But since the peak of temperatures in 1998, solar activity has been receding in concert with the flattening of global temperature. It is amusing to watch officials at NOAA and the IPCC fudge temperature data to show annual increases of a few thousandths of a percentage point to justify continued global warming. Like a few thousandths of a percentage point actually makes a difference. CO2 levels continue to rise steadily, despite flattening of the temperature trend during the past 18 years, and that is driving NOAA and the IPCC crazy. It contradicts their theory that CO2 and its greenhouse effect are responsible for global warming. IT IS NOT!!! CO2 is not our enemy, it is an essential compound in the atmosphere. Without CO2, all plants die and then we all die. Without CO2, the world would become a barren wasteland without life. Alarmists are clueless about actual science. And the naive public sucker for their every word.
The world IS getting warmer. Nobody says it isn't... (show quote)


True, and n addition to the Sun's energy cycles, Earth's climate is changed by the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn. These planets change the distance from the Sun that Earth actually is. 93,000,000 ain't the exact distance every day,,... Cosmic rays, earth's tilt and wobble also affect climate . CO2's effect is just not in the mix, increases in CO2 occur AFTER Earth has warmed and decreases AFTER Earth cools. The source is the oceans. warmer, the CO2 comes out of solution, cooler, CO2 goes back into solution. Were CO2 at an ideal level for plants. the level would be 1200 parts per million. not the 380 to 400 as we have today.

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May 12, 2017 19:13:59   #
Squiddiddler Loc: Phoenix
 
Pure Climate Skeptic



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May 12, 2017 20:07:32   #
Nickolai
 
EconomistDon wrote:
The world IS getting warmer. Nobody says it isn't. Solar activity increased dramatically since 1880, raising average temperatures across the globe. But since the peak of temperatures in 1998, solar activity has been receding in concert with the flattening of global temperature. It is amusing to watch officials at NOAA and the IPCC fudge temperature data to show annual increases of a few thousandths of a percentage point to justify continued global warming. Like a few thousandths of a percentage point actually makes a difference. CO2 levels continue to rise steadily, despite flattening of the temperature trend during the past 18 years, and that is driving NOAA and the IPCC crazy. It contradicts their theory that CO2 and its greenhouse effect are responsible for global warming. IT IS NOT!!! CO2 is not our enemy, it is an essential compound in the atmosphere. Without CO2, all plants die and then we all die. Without CO2, the world would become a barren wasteland without life. Alarmists are clueless about actual science. And the naive public sucker for their every word.
The world IS getting warmer. Nobody says it isn't... (show quote)




https://skepticalscience.com//pics/TvsTSI.png
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Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a cooling trend. However global temperatures continue to increase. If the sun's energy is decreasing while the Earth is warming, then the sun can't be the main control of the temperature.
Figure 1 shows the trend in global temperature compared to changes in the amount of solar energy that hits the Earth. The sun's energy fluctuates on a cycle that's about 11 years long. The energy changes by about 0.1% on each cycle. If the Earth's temperature was controlled mainly by the sun, then it should have cooled between 2000 and 2008. 


The solar fluctuations since 1870 have contributed a maximum of 0.1 °C to temperature changes. In recent times the biggest solar fluctuation happened around 1960. But the fastest global warming started in 1980.
Figure 2 shows how much different factors have contributed recent warming. It compares the contributions from the sun, volcanoes, El Niño and greenhouse gases. The sun adds 0.02 to 0.1 °C. Volcanoes cool the Earth by 0.1-0.2 °C. Natural variability (like El Niño) heats or cools by about 0.1-0.2 °C. Greenhouse gases have heated the climate by over 0.8 °C

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May 12, 2017 20:10:27   #
Nickolai
 
viking747 wrote:
Chalk 750, just remember God is in charge of the climate not Congress. Climate legislation is just a way to get dollars and fool people in the process.






God doesn't do shit he has spent the last four and a half billion years ignoring his creation and the world he crested every thing I nit needs to kill something else and eat it to survive

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May 12, 2017 20:20:49   #
Nickolai
 
Super Dave wrote:
1. NASA wasn't here in 1880 to take readings.

2. Its true that the Ice Age is over. It was in the news.






Nasa wasn't in existence in 1880's but measurements were taken from weather stations since the 188o's and considered to be reasonably accurate

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May 12, 2017 20:47:12   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
Nickolai wrote:
https://skepticalscience.com//pics/TvsTSI.png
https://skepticalscience.com//pics/FigFAQ5_1-1_smaller.png
https://skepticalscience.com//pics/FigFAQ5_1-1_smaller.png
https://skepticalscience.com//pics/FigFAQ5_1-1_smaller.png
https://skepticalscience.com//pics/FigFAQ5_1-1_smaller.png

Over the last 35 years the sun has shown a cooling trend. However global temperatures continue to increase. If the sun's energy is decreasing while the Earth is warming, then the sun can't be the main control of the temperature.
Figure 1 shows the trend in global temperature compared to changes in the amount of solar energy that hits the Earth. The sun's energy fluctuates on a cycle that's about 11 years long. The energy changes by about 0.1% on each cycle. If the Earth's temperature was controlled mainly by the sun, then it should have cooled between 2000 and 2008. 


The solar fluctuations since 1870 have contributed a maximum of 0.1 °C to temperature changes. In recent times the biggest solar fluctuation happened around 1960. But the fastest global warming started in 1980.
Figure 2 shows how much different factors have contributed recent warming. It compares the contributions from the sun, volcanoes, El Niño and greenhouse gases. The sun adds 0.02 to 0.1 °C. Volcanoes cool the Earth by 0.1-0.2 °C. Natural variability (like El Niño) heats or cools by about 0.1-0.2 °C. Greenhouse gases have heated the climate by over 0.8 °C
https://skepticalscience.com//pics/TvsTSI.png br h... (show quote)


Perhaps this might help.... http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming-2/ice-core-graph/ and there's this https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/17/climate-and-human-civilization-over-the-last-18000-years/ ote that human created CO2 was not in any way significant... WATER VAPOR accounts for 95 percent of retained heat, CO2 about 3.7 Percent, humanity's share is about 0.24 percent of the whole. Not enough to cause any measurable changes in climate.

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May 12, 2017 20:49:15   #
Gatsby
 
Nickolai wrote:
God doesn't do shit he has spent the last four and a half billion years ignoring his creation and the world he crested every thing I nit needs to kill something else and eat it to survive


So what does a tree need to kill in order to survive?

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May 12, 2017 21:12:28   #
Nickolai
 
EconomistDon wrote:
Apparently you didn't read my first comment. NOAA has been fudging the land-based temperature to show continued increases. They fudge just enough to show a few thousandths of a degree increase, but that is enough to make headlines in the fake MSM news. And it is just enough to keep millions of federal dollars flowing into the pockets of researchers on the take. Land-based readings are "adjusted" for all kinds of stupid reasons -- a parking lot was built by the temperature recorder, a building was built shading the recorder, trees were cut down, ......... Here is a chart from satellite readings that cannot be fudged. Temperatures have gone sideways since the peak in 1998. A recent spike (not shown on the chart) occurred due to a strong El Nino in 2016, similar to the 2010 El Nino.
Apparently you didn't read my first comment. NOAA... (show quote)





https://youtu.be/0wdmhM-jBFc

https://youtu.be/--vrMbrBUI4

They haven been fudging anything. Why would researchers be on the take it is more likely that the fossil fuel industry is pumping in big bucks in to climate warming denial propaganda through propaganda outfits such as the Koch Brothers backed Heartland Institute . Climate scientist all around the world from Norway to Japan are in agreement and they don't get research money
from the US government

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