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What do WE think of Dr Ben Carson getting into the race for Pres

CDM wrote:

Nicely said Frodo... I too feel we have reached this level of sophistication as a society; to accept a man who says what he will do and do what he says...that simple...

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Obama on "60 Minutes" 9-28

bmac32 wrote:

Think maybe it might be a bit more important that he still says no interest US troops on the ground.

However, Obama again made clear he has no interest in a major U.S. ground presence beyond the 1,600 American advisers and special operations troops he already has ordered to Iraq. When asked if the current conflict was not really a war, Obama said there are clear distinctions between this campaign and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Left wing brain dead!

One of the greatest ironies........this child king who claims such pacifism, has bombed more countries than his h**ed predecessor....G Bush.
For a guy who refuses to define his actions as War...... he sure seems confused about what most people consider war like acts.

Sad part is.....always too little, too late, and all because of his ineptitude and harboring of Islamic radicals.

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Obama: "I got it wrong about ISIS, Iraq"

B****sheep wrote:

Obama's now saying that "we" got it wron... (show quote)

As usual, the child king that would be is throwing his tantrum again, and placing blame on those who are charged with providing him information.
Horse Squeeze......again, although his lying and evasion of responsibility has become more and more a national security issue in itself.

I find it fascinating that no one seems to be pointing out the most glaring of errors in his diatribe on Sixty Minutes.......

He insists that the failure in leadership in Iraq, and the consequent failure of the Iraqi government to hold strong against the resurgence of terrorists has been going on for 5 (count em) FIVE Years.....

Ok....... I can buy in to that.....

BUT........ why the sudden epiphany ? This man who is so damn smart he reads his intel briefings (I guess between shots on the golf course) instead of being live briefed.......why was he so late in figuring out what was happening ? By his own admission, he has seen this decline for 5 years.......and done zip about it ???

The media can and will continue to give the man a pass on everything.......his sycophant supporters (dwindling rather rapidly I may add) will continue to make excuses.....but the fact remains......

His most h**ed punching bag, George Bush, predicted EXACTLY what would happen by a too sudden bailing out, and the evidence has been there lo these many years...... NO EXCUSES what so ever.....but....
no accepting responsibility either.

I would not expect this narcissistic piece of human debris would admit to such a failure, but it is sickening to see the media cover his arse yet again.

To the point of being a Sunni sympathizer ? I think there is ample evidence he is...... but this means little until you put it in the perspective that such sympathies are leaving our doors wide open for terror on our own shores.
THAT is unforgivable.....and treasonous.

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What do WE think of Dr Ben Carson getting into the race for Pres

greyfox wrote:

I personally like both of them BUT after watching Obama and most of his cabinet members this last 6 years which will be 8 DO YOU THINK THE PEOPLE WILL ELECT ANOTHER BLACK MAN????? Just calling it as i see it!!!

Contrary to Progressive/Democrat talking points, I truly believe American Conservatives and even those more middle of the road are bigger than that.
It really has NOTHING to do with race in Obozo's tenure, although he has done his best to make it so (a shield against legitimate criticism). It is truly about world view (or lack thereof) and the single most narcissistic personality to ever inhabit the office.
The man is a complete poster child for refusal to take personal responsibility, which is the core of the modern Dem party today.

No, it won't be an issue of skin color, it will be more about the ideological strength and integrity of the candidate...and preferably .... the moral character of the candidate.

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What do WE think of Dr Ben Carson getting into the race for Pres

CDM wrote:

I firmly believe the patriotism and leadership qua... (show quote)

I too believe that Patriotism and Leadership exists today, however, the path is blocked by Statists and Self Serving Politico's from every tint. A difficult, but not impossible, row to hoe.
As to whom fits that category now....well, so many and so few at the same time.... I won't hazard a list of possibles at this point.

As to the country and the trend toward victimization......all too true. Decades of dependency instilled, inbred, and infused in the generations that follow, there is yet hope. I look at the young men and women who volunteer for military service, knowing where their tours may land them.

I look at young men and women sacrificing much to further their education. I also see these same youth angry, rightfully so, at a Govt who can not provide a stable economy for them to find meaningful work.

Skulls full of mush ? Initially.....and often packed with the peculiar brand of Yak Squeeze Liberalism spawned by institutions of "higher learning" today, but once away from the formidable halls of Liberalism, many are seeing the world thru clear glass, and no longer accept the Progressive mantra.

Yes, I have hopes that the dependency class will be turned, turned by the reality lived that the State is not the answer to their lives. In the meantime, we must suffer the fools, and stand strong for Liberty and Individual responsibility.

As for your last comment.......I am a child of the 50's, and remember well the attitudes and policies of the day. I also remember the great social upheaval we went thru as a nation in trying to modernize and correct our social fabric.

Contrary to the race pimps and d******e ego's in the news.... America has become, for all intents and purposes, as Dr. King Jr had hoped. A land where people are judged on the content of their character, not their skin color. That said, there are still many out there whose Character content is sadly lacking, and their dependency on decrying "Race" hasn't allowed them to free themselves of their self imposed shackles.
Luckily, they are few......they just get a lot more press than should be allowed.

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What do WE think of Dr Ben Carson getting into the race for Pres

Rich Sr wrote:

Well; as we are seeing; Dr us well regarded.
Has anyone here "spoken" to Dr Carson about helping him?
How are we going to help?

I get emails periodically from a group promoting his run, asking for contributions. I have yet to offer any financial support, as he has not declared.
At the moment, my personal belief is the best way to aid his (and America's) cause, is simply to pray for divine intervention....that being, provide a sense of peace in the man or woman God would have us lead, and have them declare and begin the process.

That may sound trite to some, but frankly, that's the way I see it.

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What do WE think of Dr Ben Carson getting into the race for Pres

Rich Sr wrote:

Someone said Cain demonized hin; could be he is just a shade jealous.
You know, Cain may have been the first Conservative black; but I think the Dr is right on.
I especially like his "Tithe your Tax" idea.

If Herman demonized Carson, it is news to both Herman and I.
They have met (both speaking at the same engagement) and Herm had nothing but the highest praise for him. As a matter of fact, he had Carson on his radio show not long after for a lengthy and supportive interview.

Actually, while diverse in careers and accomplishments within those careers, they are about as two peas in a pod as one could imagine. Both are deeply spiritual men, both are learned men, both have risen to the tops of their professions.....and both come from very humble beginnings.

Don't get me wrong......I am a huge fan of Dr Carson......as I am of Herman Cain. I don't perceive ANY sense of competition between them at all.

Herman's focus has been on taxation.....his forays in to social issues has been less a focus, but he will not shy away from offering his positions when asked.....and they are deeply faith based rooted.....just as Dr Carson's are.

Nope, no competition or jealousy....just an abiding and common belief that we as a country need moral leadership.

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IRS

alex wrote:

you just did an outstanding job of reading my mind

I'll keep the info between us...... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Thanks though

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What do WE think of Dr Ben Carson getting into the race for Pres

CDM wrote:

For some reason human beings look for that single ... (show quote)

Ahhh.... you have hit a chord.....Cain, as CEO, understood and tried to pass along this wisdom regarding leadership. I think it resonated with people as they understood, if not in the cerebral sense, at least in their gut, what he was saying was correct.

It takes the ability to listen and absorb information from those charged with providing it, cipher it out, and then make decisions driven by that knowledge in combination with one's core value system.....

Americans are not as stupid as they sometimes act and v**e.......and I think the experiment with inexperienced narcissists with a catchy smile and persuasive speaking manner is over. We need someone with real metal.....a solid core of values that most Americans find commonality with.

Who on the horizon ? I don't know... I can only wish.

I simply BEG the e*****rate......LISTEN to the words, not just the delivery. The only thing positive I can say about Obozo is simply...he never hid his pathetic agenda....... he clouded it with gilded and flowery verbage and set designs straight out of his Hollywood fantasy supporters, but he told people what he was about......the reason I have feared him for 8 years, and dread the last 2........

It is time we look deeper at our candidates......look at their core values, what makes them tick. It is not just a matter of experience....it is a matter of who they are inside. And are they willing to listen to sound advice and mold decisions that are in the best interests of this country....aside from their personal agenda.

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What do WE think of Dr Ben Carson getting into the race for Pres

bmac32 wrote:

At age 33, Dr. Carson became the youngest physicia... (show quote)

At the risk of repeating myself ( I addressed Carson in another thread today), I have some concerns about Carson.......chiefly, his lack of "political" experience.

Now, it does not escape me that to reach the level of management he has seen in his professional career, one is not necessarily a "political" virgin.
Surely, he has learned to deal with opposing and powerful people holding contrary views. He also, surely, has some experience with high finance problems, or at least an ability to understand advisory staff.

My preference has been ex-Governors as they are experienced with running the diverse affairs of state on a more focused level, but similar nonetheless to National leadership. Not a requirement, just a leaning.

On issues of foreign policy, no one can truly be "prepared" for the issues that are prone to come up. That said, it lends to ones core values, and general world view that we must measure candidates on Foreign Policy issues, and Carson, among others, is not leaving us short in this area of concern.

CEO experience in business is as welcome as political experience. Essentially, that is what a POTUS' job is. Leadership (sadly lacking these past 6 years) and decision making based on factual analysis provided by professionals in their field are the stock in trade of the POTUS.

Obozo's failure has been one rooted in his narcissism. He truly believes his personal agenda and world view trump all other concerns. He also believes he is smarter than those advising him. For Obozo, it's all about political consideration, and pursuit of an agenda that is deadly and dangerous to the status quo thinking of most Americans.

So, do we seek experienced "politicians" or do we seek deeper in to the hearts of the candidates to find their core value systems ? Not enough applied this to the e******ns of 08 and 12....

Carson has plugged in to the one thing Americans of all stripes admire, and regardless of how much some may carry water for the current POS POTUS, they too miss this one thing........Common sense.
A complete rejection of the PC police, and a return to what is "right and sensible."

He is a man who confesses unashamedly his core values, and low and behold, Americans relate.....all sorts of Americans. He garners a sense of trust among his listeners and frankly his detractors as well. People who are negative about him do not mistrust, they simply have an alternative world view/core value system. Fair enough.........

So much appealing about the idea......but will it come to fruition ?

I doubt it..... Carson himself may not be interested.....hard to tell, but he does seem to enjoy his role as a spokesman for a return to common sense and morality based core values. And he is darn good at it.

I was, and would again be, a Herman Cain supporter. I also doubt he will run again, who knows ? There IS a place in Government for both of these fine gentleman, and the country would well be served by their inclusion in Cabinet level positions.

An interesting idea was purported, a 2cd slot on the national ticket......
Hmmmm....may be more palatable for Carson (and/or Cain). As to some of the others bantered about.....West, et al, again, they have roles of real use and clout, but not necessarily on the ticket.

It is an unfortunate reality that we must work around the National GOP.....the milktoast, Democrat lite, leadership..... Reagan was the last POTUS to actually win without the fervent support of party leadership, and look at what a great POTUS the people selected despite the party apparatchiks. Don't look for that in 16......not unless miracles happen.

Carson is a fine man, and we could surely do worse, but I have serious doubts he would run, and if he did, the GOP would offer only tacit approval.
I DO hope however, he is available to work in the Executive branch under the new R POTUS.

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IRS

C**pdecu wrote:

I could go for Carson Palin or Allen Keys or that constitutional Judge on Fox news but In my opinion I think we should Check Huckabees record out really close

Interesting....

Please don't misunderstand... I really have tremendous respect for Carson, but I am a tad puzzled by the very real support he is garnering for a run for the POTUS. Personally, I would be surprised if he chose to make a run, for much the same reason I question his viability.......real world experience in the world of Politics.

We are, as a people, STARVED for common sense Leadership. We as a country are looking for another FDR (for the Dems) or Reagan (for the rest of the country), and similar leadership in the House and Senate.
I think the fact that Carson speaks t***h, common sense, and traditional American values, and refuses to be controlled by the PC police, these things are what make him so very appealing. The same is generally true with Palin, Keys, and Napalatano. But, the question in my mind, is this enough to actually stand in as leader of the free world ?

Like it or not, the position is largely political.

I have long been a proponent of ex-Governors as being the best prepared in terms of being the CEO of our nation. That is not, in my mind, a deal breaker, but it is a general rule of thumb for my thinking.

I actually supported Palin over McCain on their ticket...... would support Keys in another run for the House or even Senate, Napalatano for a Cabinet post, or high in DOJ, but I can't quite come to terms with POTUS for really any of them. Huckabee, he seems to fit the bill by my standards, but honestly, there is simply something I can not voice intelligently that causes me much trepidation.

I was a strong supporter of Herman Cain last go round, until he succumbed to the ugliness of national politics. I am extremely familiar with him even now, as he is local to me, and easy to follow. I would again support another run, but doubt he will do it.

There are so very many issues of concern.......and so much damage repair to be done, but in all honesty, on the domestic side, there is nothing greater in importance than a complete and total revolution of the tax collection process. There is so much to gain, nationally, in terms of job creation, offshore monies returning, investments from foreign interests, and a resilience of the middle class if we disband the current tax system.

Herman Cain understands this, and is one of the few willing to make it a campaign issue.

Just some random thoughts on the subject.

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Now this would be something

Elwood wrote:

Evidently you didn't read the apologies already posted above. :?: :?: :shock:

I was going back and reading the entire thread......and of course, responded...but then realized we had already hashed that out......
so....too late to erase, I edited the second response completely....

Now it's my turn for the apologies...... :lol: :lol: :lol:

and I do so.

be well

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Now this would be something

Elwood wrote:

No you ignoramus, Obummer is the one that is trying to destroy America and doing a good job at that. It is you dumbnass libertards that support him that are enabling the destruction of our country. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :XD: :XD:

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Is Barack Obama Fueling A Race War?

CDM wrote:

I don't get the feeling Obama is fueling a racial ... (show quote)

well said......

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IRS

C**pdecu wrote:

My Government br br br br br br Take Action b... (show quote)

The income tax and consequently the IRS, are no longer employed to raise money to pay for the Fed Govt's activities. The IRS has become the organization used by politicians to perform Social Architecture.
Until the IRS is completely disassembled, and a new form of taxation is Constitutionally approved, this problem will not ever go away.
The deeper problem is both major parties seem to be fine with the IRS' "secondary" mission of Social Architecture.

I am in support of a consumption tax, and the Fair Tax has been sitting quietly in Congress for years. The problem with a flat tax, IMO, it still targets income....and provides incentive to NOT pursue aggregate wealth.

I would beg those indifferent or opposed to a consumption tax, and specifically the Fair Tax, to actually read a few short books on the subject. Ignorance of the bill is the chief problem....Neal Boortz had written a couple of relatively brief synopsis' of the current bill...Frankly, I think it is hard to argue when presented with the real facts, and not the altered pablum of the ignorant press or Statists opposition.

It is the largest t******r of p***r from the politicians to the people since our independence from King George..... and if you (rhetorically) think we are not in dire need of such, look at the OP and the long list of abuses by the IRS.