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Sep 29, 2014 12:00:28   #
Blacksheep
 
Obama's now saying that "we" got it wrong about ISIS and Iraq, that ISIS was underestimated and Iraq's army, over estimated. What he's really doing by saying "We" is throwing his Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, under the bus, since keeping track of those things is Clapper's department.

Now for the t***h: Obama supports Sunni Islam and ISIS is Sunni, which is why he stood back and did absolutely NOTHING while ISIS grew in power. It was only when the Saudis (also Sunni) decided that ISIS was not in their own best interests that Obama started moving against them.

Now that the criticism is being handed out for this apparent lack of foresight, James Clapper is being handed the blame, when in fact and t***h, it was Barack Sunni Obama who withheld information from the public and refrained from opposing ISIS.

Now I can't wait for the Libs on OPP to tell me how wrong I am. Anytime.......

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Sep 29, 2014 12:21:48   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
Baa, baa, Black Sheep...you;ve got a kink thing in your thinking.

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Sep 29, 2014 12:56:29   #
Blacksheep
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Baa, baa, Black Sheep...you;ve got a kink thing in your thinking.


Thanks, now where's Glaucon???

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Sep 29, 2014 13:14:01   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
B****sheep wrote:
Obama's now saying that "we" got it wrong about ISIS and Iraq, that ISIS was underestimated and Iraq's army, over estimated. What he's really doing by saying "We" is throwing his Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, under the bus, since keeping track of those things is Clapper's department.

Now for the t***h: Obama supports Sunni Islam and ISIS is Sunni, which is why he stood back and did absolutely NOTHING while ISIS grew in power. It was only when the Saudis (also Sunni) decided that ISIS was not in their own best interests that Obama started moving against them.

Now that the criticism is being handed out for this apparent lack of foresight, James Clapper is being handed the blame, when in fact and t***h, it was Barack Sunni Obama who withheld information from the public and refrained from opposing ISIS.

Now I can't wait for the Libs on OPP to tell me how wrong I am. Anytime.......
Obama's now saying that "we" got it wron... (show quote)


Such a wooly dark sunni story line. Where do you come up with such twisted thinking? This isn't a matter of cons or libs but rather of crazies capable of such conspiracy thinking.

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Sep 29, 2014 13:49:54   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Such a wooly dark sunni story line. Where do you come up with such twisted thinking? This isn't a matter of cons or libs but rather of crazies capable of such conspiracy thinking.

Obamas father was Sunni so you know he is also---does his actions surprise you? If they do then you are not following the facts
Good post Bah Bah!!

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Sep 29, 2014 17:46:18   #
cant beleve Loc: Planet Kolob
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Such a wooly dark sunni story line. Where do you come up with such twisted thinking? This isn't a matter of cons or libs but rather of crazies capable of such conspiracy thinking.


Con spiracy? Your the one being conned into believing Obama didn't know that ISIS was so large. They've been telling him since Feb the risk these A-holes posed. Either he doesn't read his Intel or he is a liar. I believe the latter. :thumbdown:

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Sep 29, 2014 19:00:58   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
cant beleve wrote:
Con spiracy? Your the one being conned into believing Obama didn't know that ISIS was so large. They've been telling him since Feb the risk these A-holes posed. Either he doesn't read his Intel or he is a liar. I believe the latter. :thumbdown:


Yep, you believe lots of things on one side only and 'can't believe' anything on the other side...rather closed minded. :!: :!: :!:

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Sep 29, 2014 19:15:00   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Yep, you believe lots of things on one side only and 'can't believe' anything on the other side...rather closed minded. :!: :!: :!:


Ok , please tell us the other side considering the ignored intelligence was there, that is since you seem to be the expert in ignored intelligence or lack of intelligence.
Perhaps its the constant proven false propaganda comming from this administration that has left so many in disbelief, or do you still not see how the stories from this administration change from week to week?

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Sep 29, 2014 20:14:06   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
the waker wrote:
Ok , please tell us the other side considering the ignored intelligence was there, that is since you seem to be the expert in ignored intelligence or lack of intelligence.
Perhaps its the constant proven false propaganda comming from this administration that has left so many in disbelief, or do you still not see how the stories from this administration change from week to week?


BS's Sunni 't***h' is conspiracy thinking...unt***h, made up, extreme, irrational, etc.

Of course. regarding knowledge of IS, there was some info but it's exaggeration that there ware expectations or warnings about what happened.

Regarding getting into Syria earlier and not withdrawing so completely from Iraq, would the other choices have made a difference? There's a time to act and a time to wait, and while I disagreed with Obama's choices at the time, they may have ended up the right choices in enabling a united world response instead of going it alone and being seen as interfering hegemonists. Note that Obama is an outspoken believer in America's role as leader toward freedom and self-government and that he has pushed special forces and plane actions against the jihadist extremist movements in the Middle East and Africa as a more workable and effective strategy. Again, I myself think a more proactive strategy in Libya and Syria was advisable, but that criticism of Obama choices can be made without conspiracy story lines of Obama being a Muslim, hating America, and other nutcase accusations. We need rational discussion of the merits and faults of political and geopolitical choices, not the type of irrational conspiracy story lines and prevalent on OPP...also it would be helpful if

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Sep 29, 2014 20:18:37   #
jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI
 
My computer posted before I finished but perhaps there are many things that would help make political discussion on OPP more constructive so I'll leave the 'if' open...open to everyone's thoughts.

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Sep 29, 2014 20:37:39   #
Blacksheep
 
jonhatfield wrote:
My computer posted before I finished but perhaps there are many things that would help make political discussion on OPP more constructive so I'll leave the 'if' open...open to everyone's thoughts.


Wow. You don't keep that thing in your house, do you? It acts independently of you? Brrrrrrr, I'd keep a gun handy beside your bed if I were you, your computer might be plotting against you.

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Sep 29, 2014 20:55:16   #
Frodo Loc: The Shire
 
B****sheep wrote:
Obama's now saying that "we" got it wrong about ISIS and Iraq, that ISIS was underestimated and Iraq's army, over estimated. What he's really doing by saying "We" is throwing his Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, under the bus, since keeping track of those things is Clapper's department.

Now for the t***h: Obama supports Sunni Islam and ISIS is Sunni, which is why he stood back and did absolutely NOTHING while ISIS grew in power. It was only when the Saudis (also Sunni) decided that ISIS was not in their own best interests that Obama started moving against them.

Now that the criticism is being handed out for this apparent lack of foresight, James Clapper is being handed the blame, when in fact and t***h, it was Barack Sunni Obama who withheld information from the public and refrained from opposing ISIS.

Now I can't wait for the Libs on OPP to tell me how wrong I am. Anytime.......
Obama's now saying that "we" got it wron... (show quote)



As usual, the child king that would be is throwing his tantrum again, and placing blame on those who are charged with providing him information.
Horse Squeeze......again, although his lying and evasion of responsibility has become more and more a national security issue in itself.

I find it fascinating that no one seems to be pointing out the most glaring of errors in his diatribe on Sixty Minutes.......

He insists that the failure in leadership in Iraq, and the consequent failure of the Iraqi government to hold strong against the resurgence of terrorists has been going on for 5 (count em) FIVE Years.....

Ok....... I can buy in to that.....

BUT........ why the sudden epiphany ? This man who is so damn smart he reads his intel briefings (I guess between shots on the golf course) instead of being live briefed.......why was he so late in figuring out what was happening ? By his own admission, he has seen this decline for 5 years.......and done zip about it ???

The media can and will continue to give the man a pass on everything.......his sycophant supporters (dwindling rather rapidly I may add) will continue to make excuses.....but the fact remains......

His most h**ed punching bag, George Bush, predicted EXACTLY what would happen by a too sudden bailing out, and the evidence has been there lo these many years...... NO EXCUSES what so ever.....but....
no accepting responsibility either.

I would not expect this narcissistic piece of human debris would admit to such a failure, but it is sickening to see the media cover his arse yet again.

To the point of being a Sunni sympathizer ? I think there is ample evidence he is...... but this means little until you put it in the perspective that such sympathies are leaving our doors wide open for terror on our own shores.
THAT is unforgivable.....and treasonous.





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Sep 30, 2014 06:45:42   #
Steve700
 
jonhatfield wrote:
Such a wooly dark sunni story line. Where do you come up with such twisted thinking? This isn't a matter of cons or libs but rather of crazies capable of such conspiracy thinking.
What a prime example of s**t for brains. No, not him ----- You !

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Sep 30, 2014 06:57:05   #
Steve700
 
Frodo wrote:

As usual, the child king that would be is throwing his tantrum again, and placing blame on those who are charged with providing him information. What is is is is is is hies are leaving our doors wide open for terror on our own shores.
THAT is unforgivable.....and treasonous. m
Yes it is ! -- But -- Just what else would you expect from someone who was brought up for 5 years in Indonesia as a Wahobi Muslim. And why in the hell does everyone presume that he gave that up. because the pathological liar/trained deceiver said he did ? (That's what you call a subversive radical trained under the tutelage of antigovernment 1960s terrorist bill Ayers and that used to teach and runs his administration out of the community organizers hand book Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals that is all about how to gain power through deceit.

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Sep 30, 2014 13:04:33   #
Tradition Loc: Staten Island, N.Y.
 
Steve700 wrote:
Yes it is ! -- But -- Just what else would you expect from someone who was brought up for 5 years in Indonesia as a Wahobi Muslim. And why in the hell does everyone presume that he gave that up. because the pathological liar/trained deceiver said he did ? (That's what you call a subversive radical trained under the tutelage of antigovernment 1960s terrorist bill Ayers and that used to teach and runs his administration out of the community organizers hand book Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals that is all about how to gain power through deceit.
Yes it is ! -- But -- Just what else would you ... (show quote)


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On CBS's "60 Minutes" Obama said: “Our head of the intelligence community, Jim Clapper, has acknowledged that, I think, they underestimated what had been taking place in Syria." Obama said ISIS, went “underground” when U.S. forces fought al Qaeda in Iraq in the last decade.

Ah yes, it was Clapper's fault!! Obama knew nothing of the rise of ISIS. Daily intelligence briefings weren't enough. The capture of Tikrit was not enough. The fall of Fallujah was not enough. The attack on Mosul, not enough!! The city of Qaraqosh, the largest Christian city in Iraq - still, not enough!! And Obama was ignorant of all of it. It was the intelligence community's dereliction.

Obama also admitted that the United States overestimated the willingness of allies, such as Iraq, to join in the fight against ISIS - again, reflecting recent comments by Clapper. This Iraq military is the same one that is intended to be used as the "boots on the ground" in this "non-war." Wonder how many more weapons will be confiscated this time around.

Obama was also unaware of the portent of ISIS - otherwise he would never have defined them as a JV team. (It must have been somebody else who looked like him. RIGHT?)

It was his demeanor in this interview which really disturbed me. There was an arrogance (more than usual) in his bearing, as if he had made the determination that he was bound to have his way, no matter what!!! When he was asked if he thought the Democrats would keep the Senate, he boasted, "Yes," with an attitude of complete confidence. I don't think anyone can be assured of the results of an e******n - there are too many variables - yet Obama's posture suggested someone who glories in his power and knows how to use it. He even had the temerity to say, once again - post American beheadings and the loss of cities to ISIS which our brave soldiers lost life and limbs battling Sunni fighters for - that we are NOT AT WAR WITH ISLAM. This allegiance he has to Islam is getting downright perverse - especially in lieu of the following:


Archbishop Athanasius Toma Dawod of the Syriac Orthodox church said that Isis's capture of Qaraqosh, Iraq's largest Christian city, had marked a turning point for Christians in the country.

"Now we consider it genocide – ethnic cleansing," he said. "They are k*****g our people in the name of Allah and telling people that anyone who k**ls a Christian will go straight to heaven: that is their message. They have burned churches; they have burned very old books. They have damaged our crosses and statues of the Virgin Mary. They are occupying our churches and converting them into mosques."

And despite his constant defense of Islam, there is still NOTHING FROM OBAMA ABOUT THE MASSACRE OF CHRISTIANS - I guess they're just not important to him - even though he professes to BE one. His Islamic partiality, considering what is now happening in the world, is not only blatantly obvious, but pernicious and dangerous as well.

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