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Jan 31, 2021 19:49:36   #
Michael10 wrote:
Sounds like you summed it up pretty well in just a few short paragraphs, of course you'll probably get slammed by some of the less educated here who are short on facts and can only call names but a pretty good summery all in all. May want to expand on the response to the C***d19 v***s, you're sure to get some snide remarks about that but very little fact.


Bob Woodward seems to have covered the topic of "response to the C***d19 v***s" pretty well. I read his book _Rage_ and heard a little of the audiotapes online. Aside from that, we've all had the chance to hear and see some of what Trump's done or not done during the p******c.

Woodward already had some established credibility from his work in the time of Nixon.

One of the things I _haven't_ done, to help figure out what C****-** is (compared with what Trump told us about it), is to personally die from it. I've heard of a lot of other people dying from it, but haven't experienced that first-hand. If enough of us die, that will finally end the argument because there won't be anyone left to argue about it. For that to actually happen there would need to be mutations of the v***s -- it's working on that. Some people will never be convinced (I'm thinking of the people who stick with what Trump said, but it could be anybody), but that becomes less relevant when they're not alive.
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Jan 28, 2021 20:27:18   #
Navigator wrote:
I would offer condolences that you have to live in California but I have to live in NY. The political climate is just as oppressive but the weather is not as nice. Fifty years ago I lived in California; I should have stopped somewhere in between.


I've heard that NY and "California" are similarly "Democrat" or "Left". I put California in quotes because there's a lot of variation in politics in different parts of the state.

I grew up "somewhere in between"; I enjoyed the land; most of the people were nice enough, to me anyway (I'm white, straight, male, and often quiet, so only some of them were able to find anything to pick at) but I can't stand their main politics and main religion. Even their culture seems too homogeneous. As a person who would prefer to speak ideas that _haven't_ already been agreed on (rather than just repeat what everybody else says), I found it quite stifling to grow up in a small community there.
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Jan 27, 2021 13:49:29   #
ACP45 wrote:
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Judging by the amount of time and effort you put into your post, I believe you are honest in your beliefs and willing to consider alternative view points. In the interest of brevity, I offer the following comments:

You state: "She says many deaths would not have happened -- but it's not clear why they would not have happened -- she drops the subject instead of completing it. Obviously she means "because of lies" but she doesn't identify a particular lie that makes sense in the context. Or at least I didn't get it.

It's pretty obvious to me she was referring to the hit job by the prominent medical journal that caused all the trials of HCQ to be terminated, but then later found to be false and withdrawn. But the damage was done, and the media never gave the same attention to the retraction of the article or re-instituting the cancelled medical trials. She was probably also talking about the deliberate attempts to sabotage and deprive patients from using cheap, and effective medical treatments (i.e. Hydroxychloroquine) in favor of more expensive pharmaceutical alternatives (think Remdesivir) or the arrival of the CV-19 v*****es that resulted in many needless deaths. I refer you to the following:

WHO "Solidarity" and UK "Recovery" Clinical Trials of Hydroxychloroquine using Potentially Fatal Doses
https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/06/who-solidarity-and-uk-recovery-clinical-trials-of-hydroxychloroquine-using-potentially-fatal-doses.html

To sum up:
1. In the UK Recovery trial, and in WHO Solidarity trials, HCQ is used in a non-therapeutic, toxic and potentially lethal dose.
2. HCQ is furthermore being given, in clinical trials, too late in the disease course to determine its value against SARS-CoV-2.
3. Collection of limited safety data in the Solidarity trials serves to protect trial investigators and sponsors from disclosures of expected adverse drug effects, including death.
4. It appears that WHO has tried to hide information on the hydroxychloroquine doses used in its Solidarity trial.  Fortunately, the information is discoverable from registries of its national trials.
5. The conclusions to be drawn are frightening:
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 a)  WHO and other national health agencies, universities and charities have conducted large clinical trials that were designed so hydroxychloroquine would fail to show benefit in the treatment of C****-**, perhaps to advantage much more expensive competitors and v*****es in development.
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 b)  In so doing, these agencies and charities have de facto conspired to increase the number of deaths in these trials.
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 c)   In so doing, they have conspired to deprive billions of people from potentially benefiting from a safe and inexpensive drug, when used properly, during a major p******c.  This might contribute to prolongation of the p******c, massive economic losses and many increased cases and deaths. 
Posted by Age of Autism on June 16, 2020 at 06:02 AM in Current Affairs | Permalink

What is a toxic dose?  All experts agree. "... chloroquine has a small toxic to therapeutic margin," according to Goldfrank's Toxicologic Emergencies.  The drug is very safe when used correctly, but not a lot more can potentially k**l.  Prof. Nicholas White, a Wellcome Trust Principal Research Fellow and expert in malaria treatment, who attended both WHO consultations on the chloroquines, has confirmed this.  Careful monitoring of electrolyte levels and an EKG can prevent most problems.

The WHO hired a consultant to explore the toxicity of hydroxychloroquine in 1979. The consultant, H. Weniger, looked at 335 episodes of adult poisoning by chloroquine drugs.  Weniger on page 5 notes that a single dose of 1.5-2 grams of hydroxychloroquine base "may be fatal." 

The Recovery trial used 1.86 grams hydroxychloroquine base (equal to 2400 mg of hydroxychloroquine) in the first 24 hours for treatment of already very ill, hospitalized C****-** patients, a potentially lethal dose.  The Canadian and Norwegian trials used 2,000 mg of HCQ, or 1.55 grams of HCQ base in the first 24 hours. Each trial gave patients a cumulative dose during the first 24 hours that, when given as a single dose, has been documented to be lethal. (The drug's half-life is about a month, so the cumulative amount is important.)  
The doses used in these trials are not recommended for therapy of any medical condition, which I confirmed with Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacology textbook, the drug's US label, and the online subscription medical encyclopedia UptoDate. 

Excessive, dangerous HCQ dosing continues to be used in WHO's Solidarity trials. These trials are not, in fact, testing the benefits of HCQ on C****-**, but rather are testing whether patients survive toxic, non-therapeutic doses.


I would like to bring to your attention the fact that "Hydroxychloroquine was approved for medical use in the United States in 1955.[2] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines.[5] In 2017, it was the 128th most commonly prescribed medication in the United States, with more than five million prescriptions.[6][7]" I would also like to point out that you can make a case against any drug, including aspirin (stomach bleeding).

As to your comments about Bill Gates and Tony F***i, I have posted numerous times with my thoughts on those two individuals.

Tony F***i’s cavalcade of frauds
https://www.brasscheck.com/video/aids-f***is-first-fraud/?omhide=true
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Thanks. You have made at least a couple of good explanations here, and educated me a little bit.
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Jan 26, 2021 22:52:54   #
ChJoe wrote:
You l*****ts want us to admit there was no e******n f***d. How could you know??? We want you l*****ts to admit that evidence has never been examined and certainly not adjudicated. You call us liars but you are lying when you make the claim for no evidence or that the cases were tossed out of court because there was no evidence. The is a lie, so stop saying it.

Also, four states violated the constitution by changing their v****g laws by passing their legislatures. Those v**es are then, illegal, and should not be counted. These states also allowed mail in b****ts without addresses claiming that there were no addresses some how due to the p******c. How stupid. Did the p******c make them forget their addresses.

The only thing you can point to is that Bar said there is no evidence of "extensive" e******n f***d. That is true, The fraud in just these four, but significant states, is not extensive but it is enough to alter the entire e******n. That was the plan. Change just enough v**es in the key purple states and there you have it.

But that's a lie, you say. Maybe it is but since it hasn't been tried we will never know for sure and thus, future e******ns will not be trusted by us OR other countries. They will view us like we view countries like Russia and their e******ns, or Turkey or any other place where we know the e******ns are f**e.

You l*****ts have made us no better than them with the taint of tyranny h*****g in the air. And now listen to your ilk and their calls for deprogramming those who believe the e******n w*s f********t. LOL! Your buddy Biden is no better than Hitler and you and your ilk no better that the Germans who were complicit with the Hitler admin and subsequently, their actions.
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You say, "since it hasn't been tried we will never know for sure". That is how I feel about a lot of things.

Regarding the e******n, what most of us know is basically how the courts reacted to the Trump campaign's lawsuits. This includes the U.S. Supreme Court which includes three Trump appointees.

Most of us don't have time to study a case, so we rely on the court or courts to do that work for us.

A court can be wrong; I've seen it happen more than once. This would be the first time the entire U.S. judicial system would be wrong all together at once. If you believe it is, then you could present a case (evidence and all) to the public or to an international court. Or even just point to one particular pre-existing case you want us to focus on; but it needs to be a case with good evidence that can be verified. I would expect a defendant to be named.

There were three cases of v***r f***d, that I know of, where the defendant was named, and all three defendants were Republicans. I've already posted about that in some other thread several days ago.

To me, Trump has always seemed a waste of time; he's one of the least credible people I know of. What I've seen in the news about his cases also being a waste of time doesn't surprise me. If he wants to be taken seriously, why doesn't he straighten up and write a statement? The only thing I've noticed that he's ever written have been tweets, and they don't even look very intelligent. And when he speaks publicly, he's usually using some innuendo or slur or derogatory remarks. I don't find his public speaking straight at all. He speaks like someone who only wants to appeal to emotion, not to reason.
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Jan 26, 2021 22:14:22   #
Navigator wrote:
For someone who writes fairly well you are quite dense. When I write "completely k**led the W***n flu" I was using hyperbole. I'll write more plainly so you can keep up. A week ago, the numbers were exactly the same as they were today and as they were 3 weeks ago, but Trump was still President so opinions about opening up the country were still being treated as callous concerns about $$$$ while people die. Today Biden is President so the media is telling us the v***s is slowing down considerably (check Worldometer, it isn't), schools are being ordered to resume in-person instruction and the governor of California is ending his lockdown orders while Andrew Cuomo is urging businesses and restaurants to open up as we can't continue staying closed. None of this advice is based upon numbers, it is based only upon politics.
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Thank you for that clarification.

One thing I have noticed (in agreement with part of what you write here) is that California (where I am) is easing its restrictions. Offhand, I think it is a foolish thing for California to do at this time.

I'm not _that_ dense as you say; but I have a low tolerance for ambiguity. Lately I've been trying to be clear by saying when I'm being sarcastic, so that people will know which sentence is straight and which is sarcasm. I do find your clarified post here far easier to understand than your earlier ones. We don't all start with the same context.
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Jan 26, 2021 18:39:46   #
Navigator wrote:
Stop already, haven't you heard the news? You and your friends are safe, Biden is President, C***d is no longer a threat. California and NY are opening back up lickity split and every body needs to get back to work and school and stop acting like Henney-Penney. its a miracle that just changing the R after the President's name to a D completely k**led the W***n flu.


Which news do _you_ believe? The news I get says that C***d continues to be a threat. Biden himself continues to take it seriously as a threat. I get this from my local paper, and from nytimes, latimes, theguardian, aljazeera, bostonglobe, and a few others.

And now you chide me; you say changing the R to a D "completely k**led the W***n flu". And in your second such response, you reassert your first response (above); now saying:

"Check out network news, cable news, internet news or print issues of any newspaper and get back to me how silly it is. It isn't silly, it's outrageous and frightening."

So, as I was saying, I have already been looking at "internet news" _and_ (or, including) several online newspapers. Among all these, none say what you say; you say something has "completely k**led the W***n flu", which presumably is what you call C****-**.

While a great many people around the world, and also the prominent newspapers here and abroad, continue to take the p******c seriously, you pretend that they're saying something else.

Is this some kind of "trolling" where you just spout nonsense and attribute it to other people? Back up and figure out what you're really trying to say, and next time be more explicit; so far you've given a thick overlay of some kind of sarcasm, but you completely left out wh**ever you really mean. Say it straight out.
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Jan 26, 2021 14:34:18   #
Parky60 wrote:
Don't you know that Trump's fabulous economy was Obama's doing? RIIIIIGHT!


The economy goes in various kinds of cycles; some cycles have been about 50 years long; I guess that some cycles we see now might be somewhere between 3 and 10 years long (about as long as a p**********l administration, maybe). What happens in one p**********l administration will affect how "the economy" looks during the next p**********l administration. Of course.

What usually happens in recent decades is that Republicans drive up a big debt (via tax breaks for the wealthy and military spending, and bailouts for big corporations which are then left to do (unregulated) the same wrong things over and over again) and then it's left for the Democrats (each time they come to power) to clean up the mess and then leave something more stable, which the next Republican time of power inherits.
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Jan 26, 2021 14:07:29   #
Liberty Tree wrote:
Any so called v****g rights bill the Democrats pass will be 100% designed to benefit them.


Since the majority or plurality of the popular v**e is usually Democrat, then wh**ever bill benefits most or all people would benefit Democrats. Whether "designed" or "so-called", or not.
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Jan 26, 2021 13:57:23   #
Navigator wrote:
Stop already, haven't you heard the news? You and your friends are safe, Biden is President, C***d is no longer a threat. California and NY are opening back up lickity split and every body needs to get back to work and school and stop acting like Henney-Penney. its a miracle that just changing the R after the President's name to a D completely k**led the W***n flu.


That's so silly I couldn't read past the 70% mark.
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Jan 26, 2021 01:11:13   #
moldyoldy wrote:
Maybe yours went to bail out corporations. Maybe even kushner s slum properties.


Right.

I'm opposed to the government taxing earnings from labor and using the money to subsidize people who inherited or stole assets, or to bail out corporations as you said!

I heavily favor the Democrat party over the Republican party. The Democrats are more likely to regulate the corporations that they bail out. And they should regulate them. The Democrats are more likely, than the Republicans, to respect laborers, as they should.

One thing the Democrats and Republicans, both, are slow in learning is that earnings from labor shouldn't be taxed. Taxation should be based on something else (the using up of natural resources). But Democrats are the more likely to learn it earlier. Republicans are the more likely to side with robber barons, sharing their philosophy that "what's good for me must be good for everybody" (a.k.a. "trickle-down") and "I'm naturally good (because I'm me)".

Democrats are more likely to look for a way that the greatest number of people can get a fair shake and a good life -- whereas Republicans are more likely to not care a whit about those other people, instead just looking out for themselves -- like Trump going to the United Nations and saying it should be each nation just looking out for its own interest. Republicans haven't bought into the idea of cooperation yet! I have a hunch this is why "listen to the scientists", when spoken by some Republicans, is meant as a slur; scientific progress tends to happen in cooperative environments with a broad mix of people -- which is not Republicans' cup of tea. And not only cooperative and a broad mix of people -- it's a broad mix of _educated_ people. Not educated in finding loopholes in the law or manipulating politics, but educated in appreciating diverse kinds of people and educated in looking for t***h. _Those_ people mostly v**e Democratic.

Republicans are prone to call that kind of educated people "elitists"; but Republicans don't call a billionaire by inheritance who thinks he's above the law an elitist.
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Jan 26, 2021 00:38:58   #
PeterS wrote:
And the thing is, most of the states were run by republicans and the judges appointed by the same including none other than Donald J Trump.

So with that much power, why did you cons gain seats in the house and it was only through Trump bumbled interference that we won the two seats in Georgia? How can a party that is so astute at c***ting lose seats it badly needed. Do you people ever think about things like that?

You Cons live on excuses. You lost the e******n because the majority of this country despises Donald J Trump and for no other reason. That is no one's fault but yours because of who you chose to hand your hat on. As for your claim about registered v**ers, a facts check reveals that there were around 239,247,182 people were eligible to v**e in 2020. While there is no available figure yet for nationwide registered v**ers for 2020, Reuters calculations found there were an estimated 206,557,583 registered v**ers as of the e******n more than the number needed to explain the v**es.
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Thank you for writing that. I'd want to say much the same. I add that when some forms of e******n trickery _are_ discovered evidentially, they're usually Republicans doing the wrong things!

I think there's something about the Republican philosophy that makes them more likely to c***t. Donald Trump shares or at least overlaps with some of the same philosophy, for example, the notion that winning is more important than being principled. I'm sure that the whole Republican philosophy or philosophies are many-faceted, but this characteristic of being unprincipled seems to pop up a lot. Mitch McConnell exhibits it, when he delays the Merrick Garland nomination from Obama about a year and then rushes the last Trump nomination at the very end of Trump's term, and the excuse he gives for reversing on his earlier stated principle is "you would do it too"! I keep thinking the word for it is venal but that's probably not the precise word that fits.
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Jan 24, 2021 22:34:52   #
teabag09 wrote:
Who gave the President the misinformation in the first place? Why it was Dr. F***i himself! Mike


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/24/health/f***i-trump-c***d.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage :

"F***i on What Working for Trump Was Really Like
From denialism to death threats, Dr. Anthony S. F***i describes a fraught year as an adviser to President Donald J. Trump on the C****-** p******c.

'...And the other thing that made me really concerned was, it was clear that he was getting input from people who were calling him up, I don’t know who, people he knew from business, saying, “Hey, I heard about this drug, isn’t it great?” or, “Boy, this convalescent plasma is really phenomenal.” And I would try to, you know, calmly explain that you find out if something works by doing an appropriate clinical trial; you get the information, you give it a peer review. And he’d say, “Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this stuff really works.”

'He would take just as seriously their opinion — based on no data, just anecdote — that something might really be important. It wasn’t just hydroxychloroquine, it was a variety of alternative-medicine-type approaches. It was always, “A guy called me up, a friend of mine from blah, blah, blah.” That’s when my anxiety started to escalate. ...'
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Jan 24, 2021 22:28:16   #
Capt-jack wrote:
The NEW Biden Plan To Take Your Guns Is Absolutely BONE CHILLING!

It seems that whenever a Democrat comes into power, the first thing that they want to do is physically go around taking the guns of everyone that they see.

It’s a sad thing, especially in a society where we are supposed to be able to own guns…after all, it is the right of every American to be able to do so.

However, what they want to do is put so many restrictions on them that you would only be able to own one on odd-numbered days.

With the Democrat party firmly in control and the official ceremony to put the g*******t puppet government into full operation on Wednesday, the gun-grabbing is about to begin.

There isn’t much that can be done except to get ready. The anti-2A lobby thinks they won and they decide what the laws are now.

The whirlwind events of this bizarre month have turned America upside down. It’s clear that there is only one political party, Democrat. They have boldly suspended the Constitution and make all the rules. But did we not let them? I saw this coming for a long time, My hundreds of letter to the GOP went unanswered, seems they could
not see what was going on!!

Welcome to the post-constitutional Open Society. The minions of the New World Order, starting with Sheila Jackson-Lee of Texas already have the names and numbers for a bunch of gun-grabbing laws.

They’re rushing so fast that they don’t have any actual text to go with most of the bills but they are relying on the old Democrat standbys so it’s not difficult to guess what they’re up to.

As BearingArms writes, “the almost spray-and-pray tactic is a wish-list of liberal infringements on the h**ed Second Amendment.” For instance, they start off with HR127. That will “provide for the licensing of firearm and ammunition possession and the registration of firearms, and to prohibit the possession of certain ammunition.”

Many believe once the words get filled in it will say that nobody who ever v**ed Republican or, God forbid, owns either a pickup truck or a Rebel f**g will ever get permission to own a weapon.

So, now you can watch like the GOP has been doing or you can fight back! The left knows how to fight, do you?
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The J*** 6 r****rs are poster-children for why gun control is necessary.
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Jan 24, 2021 22:19:57   #


Good! I especially enjoyed the last part of the 2nd one, where it describes "An Actual Trump Campaign Lawsuit".
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Jan 24, 2021 21:58:48   #
moldyoldy wrote:
Logic dictates that the most unpopular p resident in history who could never get the support of half the country, should not be able to win an e******n.


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