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Jan 23, 2021 07:09:12   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield

I am an American.

Trump had already stated he would not concede due to election fraud.

So let’s talk, honestly and fairly, as these are very strong claims:

Trump supporters allege that there is election fraud, and that this election fraud cost Trump the Presidency. They say they have proof that this fraud was widespread and coordinated.

The result of their fervent application of the United States Justice system is the following:

All the courts have thrown out, with prejudice, their claims.

All State Legislatures have thrown out their claims, or just refused to hear them.

The head of security for the elections, appointed by Trump, said that the election was secure and fair. He was fired.

The Attorney General of the United States, probably one of the most ardent Trump supporters that isn’t part of the general population, said there is no evidence of fraud.

IF there was election fraud, it would have had to be massive, coordinated, and multi-state.

As election officials are from all political stripes, Republicans would have to have been complicit in this massive election fraud.

There is not a single election board, Lt. Governor, or election official that says there was any evidence of fraud AT ALL. Not a single one.

The Supreme Court of the United States gave this response to the complaint that came before them: “The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.” That is SCOTUS-speak for “talk to the hand”.

So, we as Americans have a simple, binary choice:

Trump is arguing with the officials and fans after the game is over, and at the same time setting up a Lost Cause grievance, and his supporters have deluded themselves into believing that there was fraud because they simply cannot accept that they lost. The result of this is that Donald Trump would waive every citizen’s Constitutional rights, effectively destroying the very fabric of this nation in order to support their need for power, OR he lost the election fair and square and our nation continues on. Because in the end, one man or even one party is not important. The strength of our nation is important.

Seriously, it is that simple.

Anyone who would consider such a drastic course of action should consider the following items:

In a democracy, should any one party be able to question the integrity of an election without more than anecdotal evidence?

Once the judicial system has ruled, should any political party that is truly dedicated to the rule of law and the fabric of our republic and its continuation continue to contest the election?

Should any state political party call for a civil war to contest an election?

And finally, and this is important: if a sitting President refuses to accept publicly the outcome of an election that is determined by election officials and the judiciary to be free and fair, whether that president leaves or not, should that ex-president be re-nominated by his political party?

I believe, as a proud American and a republican who has lost his party to nationalistic, jingoistic hooligans, that what the Republican Party did was seditious, unpatriotic, and toxic to our nation.

Save smart, sensible, fiscal conservatism with a heart for the people, an ear for our challenges, and respect for our republic.

Jan 23, 2021 08:15:30   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield

I am an American.

Trump had already stated he would not concede due to election fraud.

So let’s talk, honestly and fairly, as these are very strong claims:

Trump supporters allege that there is election fraud, and that this election fraud cost Trump the Presidency. They say they have proof that this fraud was widespread and coordinated.

The result of their fervent application of the United States Justice system is the following:

All the courts have thrown out, with prejudice, their claims.

All State Legislatures have thrown out their claims, or just refused to hear them.

The head of security for the elections, appointed by Trump, said that the election was secure and fair. He was fired.

The Attorney General of the United States, probably one of the most ardent Trump supporters that isn’t part of the general population, said there is no evidence of fraud.

IF there was election fraud, it would have had to be massive, coordinated, and multi-state.

As election officials are from all political stripes, Republicans would have to have been complicit in this massive election fraud.

There is not a single election board, Lt. Governor, or election official that says there was any evidence of fraud AT ALL. Not a single one.

The Supreme Court of the United States gave this response to the complaint that came before them: “The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.” That is SCOTUS-speak for “talk to the hand”.

So, we as Americans have a simple, binary choice:

Trump is arguing with the officials and fans after the game is over, and at the same time setting up a Lost Cause grievance, and his supporters have deluded themselves into believing that there was fraud because they simply cannot accept that they lost. The result of this is that Donald Trump would waive every citizen’s Constitutional rights, effectively destroying the very fabric of this nation in order to support their need for power, OR he lost the election fair and square and our nation continues on. Because in the end, one man or even one party is not important. The strength of our nation is important.

Seriously, it is that simple.

Anyone who would consider such a drastic course of action should consider the following items:

In a democracy, should any one party be able to question the integrity of an election without more than anecdotal evidence?

Once the judicial system has ruled, should any political party that is truly dedicated to the rule of law and the fabric of our republic and its continuation continue to contest the election?

Should any state political party call for a civil war to contest an election?

And finally, and this is important: if a sitting President refuses to accept publicly the outcome of an election that is determined by election officials and the judiciary to be free and fair, whether that president leaves or not, should that ex-president be re-nominated by his political party?

I believe, as a proud American and a republican who has lost his party to nationalistic, jingoistic hooligans, that what the Republican Party did was seditious, unpatriotic, and toxic to our nation.

Save smart, sensible, fiscal conservatism with a heart for the people, an ear for our challenges, and respect for our republic.
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield br br I am an Am... (show quote)


It's simply not possible that there are enough people in America with your diminished capacity of discernment, to have actually cast a vote for an addle brained simpleton like Creepy Joe.

Therefore, it is correct to surmise that we will continue to remain confident that this act treason has become the most fraudulent election in American history.

We will also continue to support president Trump and as long as he lives we will regard him as the legitimate US president.

I personally am exceedingly amused by the very idea that you poor dumb Goobers actually accept this dufus as your leader.





Jan 23, 2021 08:27:54   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
It's simply not possible that there are enough people in America with your diminished capacity of discernment, to have actually cast a vote for an addle brained simpleton like Creepy Joe.

Therefore, it is correct to surmise that we will continue to remain confident that this act treason has become the most fraudulent election in American history.

We will also continue to support president Trump and as long as he lives we will regard him as the legitimate US president.

I personally am exceedingly amused by the very idea that you poor dumb Goobers actually accept this dufus as your leader.
It's simply not possible that there are enough peo... (show quote)





 
 
Jan 23, 2021 08:30:55   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
Bad Bob wrote:


Old Creepy Joe ain't got much time left.

So we'll let him think he's the president for a while until he kicks the bucket.



Jan 23, 2021 08:33:07   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
It's simply not possible that there are enough people in America with your diminished capacity of discernment, to have actually cast a vote for an addle brained simpleton like Creepy Joe.

Therefore, it is correct to surmise that we will continue to remain confident that this act treason has become the most fraudulent election in American history.

We will also continue to support president Trump and as long as he lives we will regard him as the legitimate US president.

I personally am exceedingly amused by the very idea that you poor dumb Goobers actually accept this dufus as your leader.
It's simply not possible that there are enough peo... (show quote)




Ignorance is bliss! That should about cover it.

Jan 23, 2021 08:37:15   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield

I am an American.

Trump had already stated he would not concede due to election fraud.

So let’s talk, honestly and fairly, as these are very strong claims:

Trump supporters allege that there is election fraud, and that this election fraud cost Trump the Presidency. They say they have proof that this fraud was widespread and coordinated.

The result of their fervent application of the United States Justice system is the following:

All the courts have thrown out, with prejudice, their claims.

All State Legislatures have thrown out their claims, or just refused to hear them.

The head of security for the elections, appointed by Trump, said that the election was secure and fair. He was fired.

The Attorney General of the United States, probably one of the most ardent Trump supporters that isn’t part of the general population, said there is no evidence of fraud.

IF there was election fraud, it would have had to be massive, coordinated, and multi-state.

As election officials are from all political stripes, Republicans would have to have been complicit in this massive election fraud.

There is not a single election board, Lt. Governor, or election official that says there was any evidence of fraud AT ALL. Not a single one.

The Supreme Court of the United States gave this response to the complaint that came before them: “The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.” That is SCOTUS-speak for “talk to the hand”.

So, we as Americans have a simple, binary choice:

Trump is arguing with the officials and fans after the game is over, and at the same time setting up a Lost Cause grievance, and his supporters have deluded themselves into believing that there was fraud because they simply cannot accept that they lost. The result of this is that Donald Trump would waive every citizen’s Constitutional rights, effectively destroying the very fabric of this nation in order to support their need for power, OR he lost the election fair and square and our nation continues on. Because in the end, one man or even one party is not important. The strength of our nation is important.

Seriously, it is that simple.

Anyone who would consider such a drastic course of action should consider the following items:

In a democracy, should any one party be able to question the integrity of an election without more than anecdotal evidence?

Once the judicial system has ruled, should any political party that is truly dedicated to the rule of law and the fabric of our republic and its continuation continue to contest the election?

Should any state political party call for a civil war to contest an election?

And finally, and this is important: if a sitting President refuses to accept publicly the outcome of an election that is determined by election officials and the judiciary to be free and fair, whether that president leaves or not, should that ex-president be re-nominated by his political party?

I believe, as a proud American and a republican who has lost his party to nationalistic, jingoistic hooligans, that what the Republican Party did was seditious, unpatriotic, and toxic to our nation.

Save smart, sensible, fiscal conservatism with a heart for the people, an ear for our challenges, and respect for our republic.
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield br br I am an Am... (show quote)


IMO Trump supporters should not be called Trumpians (or any other silly name), Obama supporters Obamabots or Biden supporters Bidets. Takes a bit away from the article.

I can’t forsee Trump ever being nominated again. But these are strange times and one never knows.

Jan 23, 2021 08:41:28   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
IMO Trump supporters should not be called Trumpians (or any other silly name), Obama supporters Obamabots or Biden supporters Bidets. Takes a bit away from the article.

I can’t forsee Trump ever being nominated again. But these are strange times and one never knows.

Understood and agreed, Rose. But, as with most cut'n pastes, I stay as true to the words of the author as possible.

 
 
Jan 23, 2021 08:44:23   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Rose42 wrote:
IMO Trump supporters should not be called Trumpians (or any other silly name), Obama supporters Obamabots or Biden supporters Bidets. Takes a bit away from the article.

I can’t forsee Trump ever being nominated again. But these are strange times and one never knows.


He wants to start his own party and call it the "Patriot" party. Let him- it will split the Republican vote and ensure that there will never be a Republican president again.

Jan 23, 2021 08:50:14   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
It's simply not possible that there are enough people in America with your diminished capacity of discernment, to have actually cast a vote for an addle brained simpleton like Creepy Joe.

Therefore, it is correct to surmise that we will continue to remain confident that this act treason has become the most fraudulent election in American history.

We will also continue to support president Trump and as long as he lives we will regard him as the legitimate US president.

I personally am exceedingly amused by the very idea that you poor dumb Goobers actually accept this dufus as your leader.
It's simply not possible that there are enough peo... (show quote)

Exceedingly amusing, as well, are you with the desperate grasping of specious arguments.

Jan 23, 2021 08:53:10   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Understood, Rose. But, as with most cut'n pastes, I stay as true to the words of the author as possible.


I know you don’t change titles as some others do. My comment was directed at the author.

Good article.

Jan 23, 2021 08:58:45   #
Rose42
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
He wants to start his own party and call it the "Patriot" party. Let him- it will split the Republican vote and ensure that there will never be a Republican president again.


Thats a bad idea. We need a third party IMO but not like this. It doesn’t matter if the president is republican or democrat. The ones who rule are those with the deep pockets and they don’t care about parties.

We are at our best with strong parties that cooperate. We need those checks and balances. One party rule - either one - can lead to totalitarianism.

 
 
Jan 23, 2021 09:01:59   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield

I am an American.

Trump had already stated he would not concede due to election fraud.

So let’s talk, honestly and fairly, as these are very strong claims:

Trump supporters allege that there is election fraud, and that this election fraud cost Trump the Presidency. They say they have proof that this fraud was widespread and coordinated.

The result of their fervent application of the United States Justice system is the following:

All the courts have thrown out, with prejudice, their claims.

All State Legislatures have thrown out their claims, or just refused to hear them.

The head of security for the elections, appointed by Trump, said that the election was secure and fair. He was fired.

The Attorney General of the United States, probably one of the most ardent Trump supporters that isn’t part of the general population, said there is no evidence of fraud.

IF there was election fraud, it would have had to be massive, coordinated, and multi-state.

As election officials are from all political stripes, Republicans would have to have been complicit in this massive election fraud.

There is not a single election board, Lt. Governor, or election official that says there was any evidence of fraud AT ALL. Not a single one.

The Supreme Court of the United States gave this response to the complaint that came before them: “The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.” That is SCOTUS-speak for “talk to the hand”.

So, we as Americans have a simple, binary choice:

Trump is arguing with the officials and fans after the game is over, and at the same time setting up a Lost Cause grievance, and his supporters have deluded themselves into believing that there was fraud because they simply cannot accept that they lost. The result of this is that Donald Trump would waive every citizen’s Constitutional rights, effectively destroying the very fabric of this nation in order to support their need for power, OR he lost the election fair and square and our nation continues on. Because in the end, one man or even one party is not important. The strength of our nation is important.

Seriously, it is that simple.

Anyone who would consider such a drastic course of action should consider the following items:

In a democracy, should any one party be able to question the integrity of an election without more than anecdotal evidence?

Once the judicial system has ruled, should any political party that is truly dedicated to the rule of law and the fabric of our republic and its continuation continue to contest the election?

Should any state political party call for a civil war to contest an election?

And finally, and this is important: if a sitting President refuses to accept publicly the outcome of an election that is determined by election officials and the judiciary to be free and fair, whether that president leaves or not, should that ex-president be re-nominated by his political party?

I believe, as a proud American and a republican who has lost his party to nationalistic, jingoistic hooligans, that what the Republican Party did was seditious, unpatriotic, and toxic to our nation.

Save smart, sensible, fiscal conservatism with a heart for the people, an ear for our challenges, and respect for our republic.
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield br br I am an Am... (show quote)



Jan 23, 2021 09:04:04   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
It's simply not possible that there are enough people in America with your diminished capacity of discernment, to have actually cast a vote for an addle brained simpleton like Creepy Joe.

Therefore, it is correct to surmise that we will continue to remain confident that this act treason has become the most fraudulent election in American history.

We will also continue to support president Trump and as long as he lives we will regard him as the legitimate US president.

I personally am exceedingly amused by the very idea that you poor dumb Goobers actually accept this dufus as your leader.
It's simply not possible that there are enough peo... (show quote)


They say that with age comes wisdom, but sometimes......................................it's dementia instead.

Jan 23, 2021 09:04:05   #
Parky60 Loc: Champaign, IL
 
slatten49 wrote:
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield

I am an American.

Trump had already stated he would not concede due to election fraud.

So let’s talk, honestly and fairly, as these are very strong claims:

Trump supporters allege that there is election fraud, and that this election fraud cost Trump the Presidency. They say they have proof that this fraud was widespread and coordinated.

The result of their fervent application of the United States Justice system is the following:

All the courts have thrown out, with prejudice, their claims.

All State Legislatures have thrown out their claims, or just refused to hear them.

The head of security for the elections, appointed by Trump, said that the election was secure and fair. He was fired.

The Attorney General of the United States, probably one of the most ardent Trump supporters that isn’t part of the general population, said there is no evidence of fraud.

IF there was election fraud, it would have had to be massive, coordinated, and multi-state.

As election officials are from all political stripes, Republicans would have to have been complicit in this massive election fraud.

There is not a single election board, Lt. Governor, or election official that says there was any evidence of fraud AT ALL. Not a single one.

The Supreme Court of the United States gave this response to the complaint that came before them: “The application for injunctive relief presented to Justice Alito and by him referred to the Court is denied.” That is SCOTUS-speak for “talk to the hand”.

So, we as Americans have a simple, binary choice:

Trump is arguing with the officials and fans after the game is over, and at the same time setting up a Lost Cause grievance, and his supporters have deluded themselves into believing that there was fraud because they simply cannot accept that they lost. The result of this is that Donald Trump would waive every citizen’s Constitutional rights, effectively destroying the very fabric of this nation in order to support their need for power, OR he lost the election fair and square and our nation continues on. Because in the end, one man or even one party is not important. The strength of our nation is important.

Seriously, it is that simple.

Anyone who would consider such a drastic course of action should consider the following items:

In a democracy, should any one party be able to question the integrity of an election without more than anecdotal evidence?

Once the judicial system has ruled, should any political party that is truly dedicated to the rule of law and the fabric of our republic and its continuation continue to contest the election?

Should any state political party call for a civil war to contest an election?

And finally, and this is important: if a sitting President refuses to accept publicly the outcome of an election that is determined by election officials and the judiciary to be free and fair, whether that president leaves or not, should that ex-president be re-nominated by his political party?

I believe, as a proud American and a republican who has lost his party to nationalistic, jingoistic hooligans, that what the Republican Party did was seditious, unpatriotic, and toxic to our nation.

Save smart, sensible, fiscal conservatism with a heart for the people, an ear for our challenges, and respect for our republic.
Fri, Jan 22, by Leland Shenfield br br I am an Am... (show quote)

Many people on this forum "love" you for your supposed non-biased and middle of the road views. I for one have not fallen for your "wolf in sheep's clothing" persona. Maybe you should go back to the Fishin' Hole.

Jan 23, 2021 09:12:47   #
moldyoldy
 
From quota,

What is the point of having election poll watchers if they report irregularities and are ignored?

Jill Grant
·
December 13
Avid voter
None have been ignored, but none were proved either. Some things were nonsense. One person said the room was too warm, a lawyer had to admit that there were more than zero watchers at all times. Yet another said a Chinese food delivery was really ballots. Another didn’t understand that ballots in boxes under the tables were legitimate and not ‘secret’. In one case they used a video, and the voice over said one thing, but the facts were another.

In state after state that went for Biden they’ve had fifty suits brought and been before the Supreme Court and wasted a lot of time and money as they lost suit after suit and were laughed out of court. Their lawyers were admonished. Some left in disgust, others were fired.

There is no reason to think Trump had a way to win, he lost and no one is standing in line to give him an office he lost.

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