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May 29, 2020 19:49:51   #
GoCubs wrote:
How much?


I can afford to loose around $12,000,000...how about it? Want that action? Let's sweeten it...double or nothing.
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May 29, 2020 19:40:40   #
Rose42 wrote:
What does it say?

Nevermind - just found it. A lesson in not jumping to conclusions.


I am sorry… I should have provided the link.https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/2020/05/29/8-notable-details-in-the-criminal-complaint-against-ex-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin/

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including c****ary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.


Now...if further examination shows a brain aneurism or hematoma in the heart valve....murder is off the table. He was a walking dead man. When the ME slices his head....dollars to doughnuts, there will be a clot. Dissection of the c****ary arties...plaque build up and a occlusion...and the heart will show a myocardial infarction near the ascending aortic valve.

No matter how one "feels" about what they saw....I doubt the charges will stick.
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May 29, 2020 19:24:30   #
Wolf counselor wrote:
Just heard it on the radio.

Couldn't find a link yet


True, and the complaint has been submitted....but, I do not think any of the charges will stick.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/national/2020/05/29/8-notable-details-in-the-criminal-complaint-against-ex-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin/
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May 29, 2020 19:14:56   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
He's face down, cuffed behind the back, lying on the ground. Why "rest" on his neck? He meant to hold him, he didn't mean for him to die, but he did.

Manslaughter. Fine. But no doubt about it, the cop k**led him and it was uncalled for.


ME report says my first blush is right. None of the charges should stick.....and they have a darn good lawyer. Defense attorney in in Grainer case. People may not like it......but I would bet substantial money that the police will walk away scot-free. The city screwed the pooch on this one.
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May 29, 2020 19:03:23   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Shame on you, Pennylynn, I never expected you of all people to completely misconstrue what I suggested. I never said nor did I imply that someone should k**l you by standing on your neck. Nor did I suggest someone should kneel on your neck until you die. Good grief, woman, how in the world did you manage to twist this into a death threat? I thought reading comprehension was one of your strengths. If you didn't understand what I meant in my post on the experiment, you should have asked rather than go totally hyperbolic in reacting.

Today, Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman announced third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter charges would be filed against officer Chauvin. The criminal complaint, citing the autopsy, pointed out that Floyd did not die from strangulation but a combination of being restrained along with various underlying medical conditions including heart disease and hypertension.

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Leave this in the hands of the FBI and the Minnesota justice system.
Shame on you, Pennylynn, I never expected you of a... (show quote)


Jumping past the "personal issue" between you and I.. First thank you for the information because with it I found the "complaint." And was relieved that I was on the right path. The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including c****ary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.


Now...if further examination shows a brain aneurism or hematoma in the heart valve....murder is off the table. He was a walking dead man. When the ME slices his head....dollars to doughnuts, there will be a clot. Dissection of the c****ary arties...plaque build up and a occlusion...and the heart will show a myocardial infarction near the ascending aortic valve.

No matter how one "feels" about what they saw....I doubt the charges will stick.

Here is a link to the complaint https://kesq.com/news/national-world/2020/05/29/read-the-criminal-complaint-against-ex-minneapolis-police-officer-derek-chauvin/
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May 29, 2020 17:49:35   #
frogdog wrote:
I know you probably think you are defending the officer, but you are not doing law enforcement any favors. Blocking of the blood flow to the brain is not standard operating procedure for subduing a suspect that is unable to fight back. To say it is, will just cause more restraints to be put on officers already trying to do a job with one hand tied behind THEIR backs.

You stated that Floyd stopped talking five minutes into the video. His bladder had already let go. The officer is innocent until proven guilty in a true court of law, if any still exist. By the facts you have stated, Floyd was in grave danger, unconscious or possibly dead before the knee was removed. While on the gurney and before he was loaded in the ambulance his hands are visibly seen tied on top of his chest. This is the way people are done to prevent their hands from falling off the side of the gurney. He was not still handcuffed.

To spread the possibility that the officer did everything "by the numbers" is NOT going to help law enforcement across this whole country and probably not the world. Sometimes, just barely ever, but sometimes, officers make bad decisions and this MAY be one of the things he wishes he could do over.
I know you probably think you are defending the of... (show quote)


Floyd expired about 6 minutes from the time he hit the ground. There are two videos, one was surveillance from a restaurant; https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=george+flod+restrauannt+video&docid=13983194852396&mid=0A6890A14B85C2D955610A6890A14B85C2D95561&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
When Floyd is helped out of his car....he was "weak kneed." He almost fell. He was assisted to the wall and into a sitting position...seconds later his head went sideways nodding into his chest and his body slumped. He was helped to his feet and led toward the squad car...again, he almost falls. Now fast forward to the second video...he said "my stomach hurts", "everything hurts", "Please, I can not breathe" and he asked for water. His breathing was never audibly irregular or labored...He was talking, so he was breathing. He was having chest cramps and he probably was having considerable pain in his chest making him feel as though he could not breathe. Putting it all together...he died from a hematoma caused by dislodging plaque..so he stroked out and was already suffering from an aneurism while still in his car or the blood clot went directly to his heart. If I am right...he would have died regardless of where he was or what he was doing. Granted, had he been in the ambulance a few minutes earlier...he might (a 10 percent chance) have survived if the clot was in his heart. This is why I keep drumming on the autopsy. If I am right, all these officers will be reinstated and from the White House to the city will owe them apologies. If I am wrong, the officer (The knee) should be tried and sentenced. The witnessing officers should be placed on unpaid leave, be retrained, and assessed for fitness.

From the start of the first video...the officers were respectful and did not appear angry. Even the second video, with the verbal abuse, they kept their cool.

We will see, if the autopsy is ever made public.
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May 29, 2020 17:00:53   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
What you are telling us is you have investigated, prosecuted, and found Chauvin innocent.

Minneapolis banned Warrior-Style Police Training (which includes the technique officer Chauvin used). Its Police Union kept offering it anyway. The union’s resistance to reform is coming under renewed scrutiny after the k*****g of G****e F***d.


No...I am SAYING AGAIN, all evidence is NOT in. NO ONE KNOWS THE CAUSE OF DEATH. From the videos, it appears that the cerotic arteries were not compressed, the area around his nose and mouth was not obstructed, and he was talking and therefore breathing up to the 6 minute point on the video.

Here is the police handbook link AGAIN Here is a link to the referenced manual; www.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=43664a0a30bc1fee9cdcfd996e85ca3fe719ded2-1590715439-0-AXUUW1FXbennOrdp3xx_-A97h4MrmuMFeJrcxLhW2NW0mGdl4l5sGRo37KksMgyad2RUuVi-1kY0NqQmu55WcqNV3RbJ-0USh7wMq-jVxgTRdJZAiXnm1DOrHkOLsShoaBNFNjfM-u1aZf2lFnvfK32Rai9b8I2HWgxrYy-VAR8sLVeO7jzVntkJAVxU27GZHxlinR1SH5NsxCF_hbwEE_yFI1k29EJyZ3n1xu6x9Qjxixb3gmQcqkZMnyKiOLYC7Abzs3ic5iNrKaTrP8Zy-BWJnwdvpp3VKgiYRnvBcD2BclM4F-3hYhRq8JhKPZ0yNgv2bYWAqJG9Kmr0XDLOFRWJdKr8zDyoYCgdyDp7vsbuSzcsqFfzwS2L7-FJOyz_acONrJdrlILWzqD7Iod1hLhEb_4Jfs6lEgq8qT-opwAAfQMcoQU9n8zlBIHuxWdytMwEGgeHR3m6lnC8oF14TCYZof8FMvmR4GlTFgV1sNHCP3TI7qscvXNLlltdwtKnOPo5YaT5hYxBACNaHxRV77c
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May 29, 2020 16:45:19   #
GoCubs wrote:
Absolutely 100% BS on all three counts. Watch the video again. Only this time, open your eyes.


I did watch it over and over...took notes!
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May 29, 2020 16:44:27   #
GoCubs wrote:
That is easily the most ridiculous statement I've seen yet in my short time on OPP. CV-19 almost a dead issue? Really? Do you really believe the media needed this "fresh meat"? Did you expect the media to ignore the recorded murder of a black man by a white cop which caused three days of r**ting?


In our short exchanges you have suggested that someone should k**l me by standing on my neck...you have also called me a r****t, accused me of biggity and stupidity, I think you also tossed in liar. You do know how to make friends and influence people!!!!

Yes...I certainly believe the media needed "fresh meat." As for murder....when was the trial?
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May 29, 2020 16:30:54   #
frogdog wrote:
You are so very wrong. The arrested man was down and unable to resist for approximately eight minutes. The knee blocking off the carotid artery is NOT an approved hold, therefore it can not be applied correctly by an officer on a man unable to cause bodily injury to the officer or a bystander. Floyd was not awake and probably not alive when the ambulance was called. The officer did nothing "by the numbers" for those eight minutes.


Again.... see photos, the knee was not even close to the carotid artery, Floyd's nose and mouth were not obstructed...and IF YOU CAN TALK, you can breathe. Ambulance was called WITHIN TWO minutes, even before he was on the ground. Listen to the officer talk, he said to take it easy an ambulance is on the way. The ambulance took 6 minutes to arrive. Floyd stopped talking 5 minutes into the video and stopped moving at 6 minutes. Here is a link to the referenced manual; www.minneapolismn.gov/police/policy/mpdpolicy_5-300_5-300?__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=43664a0a30bc1fee9cdcfd996e85ca3fe719ded2-1590715439-0-AXUUW1FXbennOrdp3xx_-A97h4MrmuMFeJrcxLhW2NW0mGdl4l5sGRo37KksMgyad2RUuVi-1kY0NqQmu55WcqNV3RbJ-0USh7wMq-jVxgTRdJZAiXnm1DOrHkOLsShoaBNFNjfM-u1aZf2lFnvfK32Rai9b8I2HWgxrYy-VAR8sLVeO7jzVntkJAVxU27GZHxlinR1SH5NsxCF_hbwEE_yFI1k29EJyZ3n1xu6x9Qjxixb3gmQcqkZMnyKiOLYC7Abzs3ic5iNrKaTrP8Zy-BWJnwdvpp3VKgiYRnvBcD2BclM4F-3hYhRq8JhKPZ0yNgv2bYWAqJG9Kmr0XDLOFRWJdKr8zDyoYCgdyDp7vsbuSzcsqFfzwS2L7-FJOyz_acONrJdrlILWzqD7Iod1hLhEb_4Jfs6lEgq8qT-opwAAfQMcoQU9n8zlBIHuxWdytMwEGgeHR3m6lnC8oF14TCYZof8FMvmR4GlTFgV1sNHCP3TI7qscvXNLlltdwtKnOPo5YaT5hYxBACNaHxRV77c
The officer performed as outlined in his training.

Keep in mind...6'6", 300 pound bouncer vice 5'11" 180 pound cop....size matters!






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May 29, 2020 16:13:34   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
It is very troubling that you argue in defense of this cop. In this instance, Floyd's criminal history is irrelevant. In the 911 call, no names were given. The caller even had some difficulty providing a good description of the suspect, including his race. Weird, huh?

The police dispatched to the scene had no idea who the suspect was, therefore they could not have known anything about the suspect's police record. They got Floyd out of the car, subdued him, hand cuffed him, face planted him, Chauvin kneeled on his neck to pin him and held him down for 8 minutes. At this point we don't know when the cops identified him and we have no information on whether or not Floyd's police record was mentioned in the police comm that followed. Regardless, officer Chauvin, must be held accountable for his actions.

But, your verdict seems to be one more black criminal has been permanently taken off the street.

If you think Chauvin was justified in treating a helpless suspect in this way, look at the hell his actions unleashed. Anyone with a modicum of common sense could have seen this coming.
It is very troubling that you argue in defense of ... (show quote)


I am torn...should I respond to another person who wants me dead...or do the right thing and forgive you for suggesting I should suffer and die because I disagreed....At one time, I considered you a friend. We did not always agree, but I certainly never wished you harm. I had no idea you felt otherwise. Because of this...I am hurt....but, I will put this down to lesson learned.

To be brief, what I know...I want to review the evidence. I will not tar and feather anyone without ALL the evidence. The facts are not yet public. What is public....Floyd was a HUGE man. We know that an ambulance was called within TWO (2) minutes of subduing him. Police handbook clearly states that the subduing officer must retain control of the suspect until handed off to the EMT, the "pining" was department approved (see handbook link given earlier)….all in all, it appears (minus the feelings), this was handled by the numbers. But, the key will be the autopsy....
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May 29, 2020 15:50:19   #
Mike Easterday wrote:
To me it's just another s**m. Now no matter . the Police Officer is innocent!!!


Thank you!!!!!! The hold was approved by the police force, applied correctly, the officer called for an ambulance when Floyd said he was unwell.....He did it by the numbers!!!
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May 29, 2020 15:45:07   #
bestpal38 wrote:
So yeah, k**l him, that will keep him down. I never saw any video of him resisting at any point! Maybe there is more out there, but for now, what I see is murder, not restraint


What you see is missing a great deal...from the time the officers tried to get the mammoth in the squad car until he is lying in the gutter. For me....I want to review the evidence. This reminds me of the Garner case...condemn the cops, fire the cops, arrest the cops...and let us not ignore...r**ting!!!!.and all the time, he died from asthma. My bet, Floyd died from a combination....drugs (probably prescription) and cardiovascular disease...simply put, he was a dead man walking. I have been wrong once or twice in my life...but I would take a wager on COD.
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May 29, 2020 15:34:34   #
proud republican wrote:
Pennylynn , you have to know that I have total respect for police officers , I taught my son to respect police officers .. 99% of police officers are great people and they do their job well . .. This police officer violated his oath to serve and protect . .. So that's why it makes me very mad and sad at the same time . ..I'm very sad for Mr Floyd and his family . ..


This is following the same pattern of Eric Garner..... fire the officers, charge the officers...just to watch the case dissolve! Garner died from his asthma...Floyd, probably, died from a heart attack or stroke. FYI, Officer Daniel Pantaleo...the "murdering cop" has a job with the NYPD was awarded back pay and from all accounts is doing quite well. Garner is remembered by family and friends, but has taken only six lines in history books, un-shelved when a need for a "mob, r**t, fire sale" is needed to divert public attention from more pressing issues.

I think you would like to see yourself supporting law enforcement....but, deep in your heart I suspect you do not. I will need to look up what you wrote on the last r**ts and what you said about Garner. I suspect you supported the r****rs....but, I am not positive.
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May 29, 2020 15:05:33   #
GoCubs wrote:
What does size have to do with anything. Floyd didn't resist arrest. Then he was handcuffed. Further, whether he had a criminal past or not is irrelevant. As for the counterfeit $20 bill, maybe he knew it was counterfeit but maybe he didn't. I bet many honest people have unwittingly passed a counterfeit bill that they received in change from a cash t***saction, ATM machine, etc. Still, passing a f**e $20 bill is no reason to do what this cop did. They should've arrested him three days ago. Several have died in that time in the r**ting.

Oh, one other thing you may find interesting:

G****e F***d And Derek Chauvin Worked At The Same Nightclub
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2020/05/29/george-floyd-and-derthe men "ek-chauvin-worked-at-the-same-nightclub-but-may-not-have-known-each-other-owner-says/#32c9a61274d8
What does size have to do with anything. Floyd did... (show quote)


Ask your boyfriend if size matters! Better yet, ask a boxer!

If history plays no part in what happened, why put the police officer under a magnifying glass? If the officer's history of complaints matter...then a felon's past is fair game.

Banks passing counterfeit bills...possible. But, Floyd was only being detained...not under arrest. The main difference between detention and arrest is whether a person is charged with a crime or not. In case of a person being detained, he is not formally accused of committing a crime but is simply restricted and kept in police custody on a reasonable suspicion.

As for them working for the same club....so what? A police officer often takes a second job...they are paid peanuts for ensuring the safety of communities, Further, these men...according to your source "worked at the same nightclub near Minneapolis’ Third Precinct for a whole year and may have had overlapping shifts, according to the club’s owner, though it’s unclear if the two men knew each other.

Size matters!!!!

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