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Aug 14, 2019 21:27:36   #
proud republican wrote:
Ahhh lookie,lookie....Looks who is back!!!....Well hello, comrade!!!


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Aug 14, 2019 18:13:29   #
factnotfiction wrote:
Just what is needed to bring people together, k*****g in the name of christ.

And to be sure, it is the purview of republican politicians who h**e muslims, i******s, the gays, and virtually everyone else who does not comport with the radical evangelical view.

The same radical evangelicals who worship trump




https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/13/matt-shea-biblical-war-washington-team-rugged


Arming Christians is a strange interpretation of the beatitude: Blessed are the peacemakers...

Christians in name only. As with the current government, it is not what they say, but what they do.
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Aug 14, 2019 18:03:07   #
MR Mister wrote:
Here It Is Complete List of Clinton Associates Who Allegedly Died

Mysteriously or Committed Suicide Before Testimony, Including Jeffrey Epstein
On Saturday multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein, the highest profile prisoner in US custody,
was found dead in his prison cell in Manhattan. This occurred the day after two thousand
previously sealed court documents involving the Jeffrey Epstein child sex abuse case
were released to the public. The documents described how Bill Clinton held a private party
on Jeffrey Epstein's p*******e island.

Clinton made at least 27 times trips on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane.
Most of those flights were with underage girls.
Despite a previous attempt on his life just three weeks ago
the prison guards skipped the 30 minute required checks on Epstein's cell last night.

Early this morning they found him dead.
Jeffrey Epstein is the latest in a long list of Clinton family associates and
acquaintances who died mysteriously or committed suicide before their public testimony.
In 2016 CBS Las Vegas posted a list of Bill and Hillary Clinton associates
alleged to have died under mysterious circumstances.

Here is that list.
1- James McDougal Clintons convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement.
He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 Mary Mahoney A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown ..
The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 Vince Foster Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law firm.
Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 Ron Brown Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash.
A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling
a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness
to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died.
A few days later the Air Traffic controller commited suicide.
5 C. Victor Raiser, II Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 Paul Tulley Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992.
Described by Clinton as a dear friend and trusted advisor.
7 Ed Willey Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head.
Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the
oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 Jerry Parks Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock .. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection
outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton.
He allegedly threatened to reveal this information.
After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 James Bunch Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a Black Book of people which contained names
of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
10 James Wilson Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent h*****g suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater..
11 Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head.
It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere.
Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit;
Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 Bill Shelton Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead
in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancee.
13 Gandy Baugh Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994.
His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 Florence Martin Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas, airport drug smuggling case.
He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 Suzanne Coleman Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General.
Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide.
Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 Paula Grober Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992.
She died in a one car accident.
17 Danny Casolaro Investigative reporter, investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority.
He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 Paul Wilcher Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 October Surprise was found dead
on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19 Jon Parnell Walker Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp.
Jumped to his death from his Arlington,Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993.
He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20 Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death: Unknown.
Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, naked body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21 Charles Meissner Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22 Dr. Stanley Heard Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson
in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton ‘s advisory council personally treated
Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.
23 Barry Seal Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop.
He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 Stanley Huggins Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.
27 Kevin Ives & Don Henry Known as The boys on the track case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas
airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks.
Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks.
Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 Keith Coney Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29 Keith McMaskle Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 Gregory Collins Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 Jeff Rhodes He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
32 James Milan Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes.
34 Richard Winters A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was k**led in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE ALSO DEAD
35 Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
36 Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 Major General William Robertson
40 Col. William Densberger
41 Col. Robert Kelly
42 Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 Steve Willis
44 Robert Williams
45 Conway LeBleu
46 Todd McKeehan

And the most recent, Seth Rich, the DC staffer murdered and robbed (of nothing) on July 10.
Wikileaks found Assange claims he had info on the DNC email scandal.
Not Included in this list are the 4 heroes k**led in B******i.
And today you can add multi-millionaire Jeffrey Epstein to the list.
Here It Is Complete List of Clinton Associates Who... (show quote)

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One notices this list laced with words like: appparent, allegedly, unknown reports say, purported. While you see suspicion in the make-up of the list, others see suspicion in the lack of not one conviction to any of these deaths that can be associated to the Clintons. (I am not a fan of the Clintons).
While he is on top of the DOJ, why doesn't Barr look into one of this myriad of cases?
Slatten's post of several days ago points out the problems of these conspiracy theories, that remain theories.
Even in America today, the number of alledges and the application of statistics and apparent probabilities does not prove guilt.
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Aug 14, 2019 17:31:24   #
factnotfiction wrote:
The 2016 e******n proved that anyone can get elected POTUS.

But now that trump is running again, several facts are facing him.

Now he has a track record of performance, and the only positive is the economy, but trump has 16 months to screw that up..

And no matter who his opponent is, it won't be Hillary, and no one else will have her baggage.

And trumps constant and i***tic attacks on everyone who doesn't bow down to him, are driving his anti-Hillary v**ers away, which means bad news for him.

So unless trump can somehow double his rabid base, he will have trouble, no matter what his propagandists say, do, or tweet



https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/trump-base-2020/594325/
The 2016 e******n proved that anyone can get elect... (show quote)


Let us not forget the outside influences--e.g., the Russians. Maybe they will be counteracted by the Iranians. The international coalitions to the US e******n.
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Aug 11, 2019 03:16:42   #
byronglimish wrote:
Nothing so far is 100% fail safe, and I know of a business in White City Ore. where f**e paperwork for identification is sold.

If I know about it, the authorities most certainly do.

My opinion..nobody would be immune from prosecution, just as.."officer, I wasn't aware I was doing 120 mph" isn't acceptable.

I don't care if it's professional movie liars with landscapers or the whole motel and service industry.

No CEO is too important or too busy to handle this blight on our sovereignty and citizenship.

Hell yes! Let's clean it up!
Nothing so far is 100% fail safe, and I know of a ... (show quote)


Bravo!
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Aug 10, 2019 20:10:26   #
byronglimish wrote:
I believe some i******s have actually slipped into jobs by nefarious means.

Employers who have been duped aren't liable for penalizing.

But...if a employer knowingly hires i******s, that employer needs to be fleeced down to bare essence to continue, that would be a start.

If draining the employers assets to just existing isn't good enough....ten years incarceration.

If stiff penalties aren't imposed, nothing will change.

Just as the DMV requires All legal citizens to show a authentic birth certificate to renew or obtain a specialized license, have all immigrants register for work permits...in the same manner.

Never friggin ever should identification requirements be more stringent on legal citizens.

I went to get a license to ride a motorcycle (rode for years without) the lady at the DMV told me my drivers license was only good for accountability, not bona fide i.d.

The only serious and lasting fix is...zero tolerance.

P.S....i strongly support v**er I.D's...no exceptions!
I believe some i******s have actually slipped into... (show quote)

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I strongly agree on v**er IDs as well as identification of people who contribute to pacs and other political entities as well as people who buy political ads on Facebook.

Not sure what you mean by nefarious. According to Farenthold's reporting this week, one of Trump's crew bosses told an illegal to go to the Bronx where he could get a SS card for cheap (~$100 ??). So we know that these sources exist. If we know it, the government knows it, and if the government knows it, there must be a way to determine legitimacy by company lawyers. F**e IDs are maybe in your nefarious category, but is ignorance by people with great resources an excuse? Not in my book.
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Aug 10, 2019 17:55:42   #
byronglimish wrote:
Got the Koch part..in all seriousness, any employer who knowingly has i*****l a***ns on the payroll should be severely punished.


Why a restriction of "knowingly"? Isn't the usual axiom that ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law--especially when Koch can hire lawyers to determine whether one's papers are real or not?
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Aug 10, 2019 17:49:22   #
slatten49 wrote:
The following may help, but I'm not certain if the laws vary or not from state to state...

https://www.lawfirms.com/resources/immigration-law/working-in-the-us/hiring-undocumented-illegal-workers.htm


Good start:
'The penalties for failing to verify employees can be very severe. They can range from $110.00 to $1100.00 per technical violation. Remember, employers have a duty to verify employment authorization for ALL of their workers.

'The penalties can be higher for companies with a large percentage of undocumented workers or a history of violations. In determining penalty amounts, ICE typically considers five factors: the size of the business, good faith effort to comply, seriousness of the violation, whether the violation involved i*****l w****rs, and a history of previous violations. If violations are found during an audit, ICE will then issue a Notice of Intent to Fine.

'Texas employers were fined over $600,000.00 in 2009, for example. With the economy being in trouble, it does not appear as if that will lessen.'

So it looks like the modest fines to individual firms are worth the risk of being caught employing i******s. The article says nothing about potential taxes not being paid to the government, a possible violation of federal law.
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Aug 10, 2019 17:20:34   #
byronglimish wrote:
Got the Koch part..in all seriousness, any employer who knowingly has i*****l a***ns on the payroll should be severely punished.


That is the point (or implication) of the Onion article: The now (after years [decades] of their employment) outrage from the CEO that '300 i******s slipped into my company without my knowing it. How could I up here in Illinois possibly have known that?'

How do you define 'severly punished'? A few thousand bucks per head? After all, he is providing that poor community (well, part of it) with real employment opportunities and we all know how it trickles down for the good of everyone :) .
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Aug 10, 2019 17:06:06   #
slatten49 wrote:
I can't recall many, if any large company being held responsible for hiring i******s...maybe fined


I am certain you know the law better than I. Is hiring illlegals illegal?
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Aug 10, 2019 16:02:44   #
t***hiness wrote:
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Lots of guilt to go around.


Let's see if there is a lot of prosecution to go around.
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Aug 10, 2019 16:00:43   #
Carol Kelly wrote:
LOL!,!. The applicants are guilty for being here, but Koch management is guilty of hiring(I said HIRING) the thugs. That’s what they are...thugs who knowingly broke the law coming here and, supposedly using false identifications. It’s time for our Justice Department to get on it and do something besides telling them when to “return to court”. We cannot afford to support anymore of them and we don’t have jobs for them. If there’s a job opening, hire an out of work American citizen.

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Lots of guilt to go around.
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Aug 10, 2019 15:58:56   #
slatten49 wrote:
The Onion, The Babylon Bee, The Borowitz Report...all premier news publications.

BTW, the Koch in that story is pronounced 'cook,' and has nothing to do with the Koch brothers.

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The issue behind the humor(?) is--will the company be held responsible for hiring "i******s?"
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Aug 10, 2019 14:02:04   #
https://www.theonion.com/koch-foods-ceo-applauds-immigrant-arrests-as-consequenc-1837107122
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Aug 7, 2019 20:08:08   #
MR Mister wrote:
The Second American Revolutionary/Civil War is coming.

The first step in fixing a problem is to identify it. The second step is to understand it. Blaming others for a problem is not the way to fix a problem, but we may need to identify those responsible and how they caused it so that we can understand it. We must go deeper in understanding our national crises and those responsible for them in order to know how to fix them. However, this is not just to assign blame. Our goal is to find solutions that will help us to not make the same mistakes again.

There are now three major crises threatening the collapse of our Republic. The first we have touched on—it is what Jefferson called “judicial tyranny.” This came from the Judicial Branch usurping authority it was not given in the Constitution. This “mission creep” by the judiciary has now increased to the degree that it can effectively control or paralyze the rest of the government. No government can last long with a judiciary doing what ours has begun to do.

Recently, federal judges have assumed the authority to cancel Executive Orders by the President and even legislation by the Congress. This is a clear violation of the “Separation of Powers” in the Constitution and has recently crossed the line from judicial tyranny to judicial anarchy. A good example is the recent P**********l Executive Orders on immigration.

Whether or not we agree with the President’s order is not the point. This is something far more serious: it concerns an authority clearly given to the President and the Congress in the Constitution. The judges that recently put stays on the President’s Executive Orders on immigration did not cite any law, or the Constitution, as a basis for their actions; they simply disagreed with the President’s policy. The President’s authority in this is clear in the Constitution and was codified into law by Congress. Yet, by their actions, these judges declared their opinions to be above the authority of the President, the Congress, and the Constitution.

Think about the consequences of allowing this assumption of authority over the other two branches of government and the Constitution if not confronted and put down. There are over five hundred federal judges. How could either the President or Congress function if any of these judges decided to cancel an action or law with which they disagreed? Conservative judges could block liberal actions, and liberal judges could block conservative actions, and nothing could be done by the Executive or Legislative Branches. This has gone far beyond judicial overreach and has become madness.

As Don Brown pointed out, if this kind of judicial madness is upheld as acceptable, then there could be a major crisis in the world. The Commander in Chief—the President—could order the dispatch of an aircraft carrier to meet the crisis, and a single federal judge could block it. This judge could block it with something as silly as the carrier’s possible negative impact on the environment. It has gotten that crazy.

Under the Constitution, even the Supreme Court does not have the authority to block actions by the Congress or the President. The Supreme Court is not “the Supreme Law of the Land,” the Constitution is. For the courts to have taken the actions that they have, they are in violation of the Constitution and their oath to defend it and should be immediately impeached. That has not happened because of inept leadership in the Congress that alone has the authority to impeach.

So the Judicial Branch has fallen to the judicial tyranny that Jefferson and other Founding Fathers considered the greatest threat to the Republic. The voices that have risen up to challenge this untenable overreach have been quickly crushed. One example is Tom DeLay, the former Republican Congressional Whip. When he began to speak out about this judicial tyranny, he was indicted under a law that did not even exist. Because of this, he was forced to resign from the House and it took ten years and over ten million dollars to clear his name.

We may think that this is not happening in our country, but it is and worse things are now unfolding. Judicial tyranny is the most imminent threat to every freedom we have, but there is another crisis that is also about to bring the government down. It is the second major threat that the Founders warned would be a threat to the Republic, and we will cover this next week.

As we look at the dire situation our country has been put in, always keep in mind that we have a kingdom that cannot be shaken. For this reason, we must face every crisis with the resolve to 1) stand up, 2) lookup, and 3) rejoice that we have been given the honor to stand for our King in these times.
Sadly, I do not see much effort in stopping judges from breaking the law. Under these acts our Constitution is moot.
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"Three major crises": (1) 'Judicial tyrrany.' What are (2) and (3)?
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