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Sep 15, 2020 08:27:57   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Would you say that Jews tend to be more traditional than Christians or other faiths???

Whether or not an individual of any faith is traditional really depends upon how many of the precepts and laws one "chooses" to follow.

If we assign everything to a sliding scale of 1 to 10, "1" being not following too many rules - - or liberal - - and "10" being mostly following everything to the letter - - or conservative - - then my use of the word "traditional" would be defined as followers or believers from about 8 to 10.

That may not be someone else's interpretation, but it's what my answer is predicated upon. However, there is then the question of how firm, or militant, a believer is in what is believed. AND there is also the consideration of what's in a person's heart.

I'll use an example of North Korea, where they give praise to the great leader, rather than to God, for everything because they're required to. If you watched Lisa Ling go to NK, you can see that what's in their heart isn't what they verbalize - - and what they verbalize is out of fear. But the "religion" of NK is certainly not worldwide.

Anyway, if we just examine the 3 major Abrahamic beliefs: Judaism, Christianity and Islam, and look at the spectrum scale for how many of the faithful follow the greater quantity of its "rules", I'd suppose that you'd find that a larger number of those practicing Islam would fall on the traditional side.

But, that may only be because the majority are living in a country where they're "required" to follow the leader, and not their heart. When some are westernized, I think they can slide to either the Moderate (4, 5, 6) or fewer to the Liberal (1, 2, 3) side of the scale.

The Jewish and the Christians don't tend to live in places where they are required to follow their religion, so you will always find a good many 1's, 10's and everything in between, mainly because of what's known as cherry-picking.

Interesting question but now, why do you ask
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Sep 15, 2020 07:49:00   #
America 1 wrote:
Some yahoo's actually believe this.

Hi Am, I'm confused...

So WHO are the yahoos, and WHAT are they believing ???

The critical thinkers who are believing the article...

...OR...

The tRump followers who are believing his lies ???
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Sep 15, 2020 07:45:58   #
Hi Bob...

Related post (mine, this morning):

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-195036-1.html
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Sep 15, 2020 07:41:28   #
More from Woodward on 60 Minutes:

Inside Donald Trump's 18 recorded interviews with Bob Woodward for his book "Rage" - 60 Minutes - CBS News

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/donald-trump-bob-woodward-rage-60-minutes-2020-09-13/
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Sep 15, 2020 07:40:48   #

You know what's really inexplicable is how well-known it is that Woodward and Bernstein basically took down an American president - - Nixon, All The President's Men, etc etc - - so why would tRump even interview with him and allow himself to be recorded ??? Some kind of adled, misplaced idea of plausible deniability ????? (That isn't plausible, by the way.) Or more like a little kid who really just wants to get caught in his lies ???????
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Sep 15, 2020 07:22:11   #
Here's the problem - - tRump has been inciting violence on the Far Right since his campaigning days, and he's only gotten worse and even more polarized since.

I absolutely DO NOT personally agree with any violence myself, but the Far Left has gotten burned AND burned out over the rhetoric.


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Sep 15, 2020 07:04:34   #
Kevyn wrote:
If Trump runs against Biden he will lose in a landslide. His only hope is to make up a f**e Biden to run against by lying through his teeth.

To the continual dismay of those of us who see Mr "t" as he really is, there are still unconscious followers/supporters who either can't see or refuse to see him thru the smoke & mirrors of the showman that he has proven himself to be (it could be a variation on The Emperor's New Clothes). UGH !!!
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Sep 15, 2020 06:51:49   #
The T***H is: that the lying, c***ting, narcissistic, serial adulterer blurts out lies & his blind followers simply move forward in the belief that he's telling them the t***h. He may be ON the Right, but he's certainly NOT correct.

Fact check: Trump makes four false claims in one sentence

In what may be a new record for President Donald Trump, he made four false claims in one sentence of a tweet on Saturday.

The sentence was about Hillary Clinton, Trump's 2016 e******n opponent, and Andrew McCabe, the former deputy director and acting director of the FBI.

McCabe, who is now a CNN contributor, was fired by the Trump administration in 2018, less than two days before his planned retirement, after an investigation found he had lacked "candor" in describing his role in disclosing information to a newspaper.

Trump has regularly blasted McCabe in tweets and public remarks. His Saturday sentence on Twitter: "Was Andy McCabe ever forced to pay back the $700,000 illegally given to him and his wife, for his wife's political campaign, by Crooked Hillary Clinton while Hillary was under FBI investigation, and McCabe was the head of the FBI???"

Almost everything he said was inaccurate. Let's break down the sentence point by point.

"...the $700,000 illegally given to him and his wife, for his wife's political campaign..."

Facts First: There are two false claims in these 14 words alone. McCabe himself did not receive any donations, and the donations were not illegal.

Trump was referring to $675,288 that was donated to the unsuccessful 2015 Virginia state Senate campaign of McCabe's wife, Dr. Jill McCabe: $207,788 from the state Democratic Party and $467,500 from Common Good VA, the political action committee (PAC) of then-Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe.

There is simply no evidence that any of the donations, which were publicly reported in Jill McCabe's financial filings, broke the law. Trump has a long history of wrongly accusing his opponents of illegal behavior.

"...by Crooked Hillary Clinton..."

Facts First: Clinton did not make any of the donations.

McAuliffe is a longtime friend and political associate of Hillary and Bill Clinton, but there is just no indication the Clintons were responsible in any way for his PAC's giving.

"There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton provided political or financial support to Dr. McCabe's 2015 senate campaign," the Justice Department's inspector general wrote in a 2018 report.

The donation from McAuliffe's PAC was not at all exceptional. Common Good VA gave larger donations to two other Democratic candidates as the party tried to win control of the state Senate in 2015: $803,500 to Jeremy McPike and $781,500 to Daniel Gecker.

Jill McCabe was in a competitive race. She lost by 4.8 percentage points to the Republican incumbent.

She noted in a 2018 op-ed article in the Washington Post that the donations from the state party and the governor's PAC were "on par with what other candidates in competitive races on both sides of the aisle received" and that "all those contributions were publicly reported."

"...and McCabe was the head of the FBI???"

Facts First: Andrew McCabe was not "head of the FBI" in 2015. Rather, he ran the bureau as acting director for nearly three months in 2017 -- long after the donations and his wife's defeat -- after Trump fired director James Comey.

McCabe spent most of 2015 as FBI assistant director in charge of the Washington field office. He became associate deputy director in September 2015.

McCabe was promoted to deputy director in February 2016. It was only then, after the donations and his wife's defeat, that he assumed a supervisory role on Clinton investigations.

"By the time McCabe became Deputy Director and assumed supervisory responsibilities for any Clinton-related matters, Dr. McCabe had already lost her e******n, and no developments in the Clinton-related matters could have any plausible impact on Dr. McCabe's financial interests," the inspector general wrote in 2018.

McCabe voluntarily recused himself from the FBI investigations into Clinton's email practices and the Clinton Foundation in November 2016, after an October 2016 Wall Street Journal article about the donations. (The inspector general reported in 2018 that there were "a few instances" where he did not fully comply with this recusal.)

In a separate 2018 report, the inspector general found McCabe "lacked candor" in four instances when discussing, with Comey and with investigators, his role in providing information to the Wall Street Journal for a separate article that discussed the Clinton Foundation investigation.

McCabe has disputed this conclusion, saying he never intentionally misled investigators or any FBI director. He declined to comment for this fact check.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/14/politics/fact-check-trump-mccabe-clinton-mcauliffe/index.html
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Sep 15, 2020 06:33:38   #
The T***H is: that trumplethinskin blurts out lies & his blind followers simply move forward in the belief that he's telling them the t***h. He may be ON the Right, but he's certainly NOT correct.

Fact check: Trump repeats numerous false claims in campaign-style press briefing from White House

President Donald Trump used a Labor Day press briefing at the White House to give a campaign-style address, attacking his political opponents, touting the alleged success the US has had against the c****av***s and repeating many false and misleading claims along the way.

In all, CNN counted at least 11 outright falsehoods and a few more that were misleading or lacked context.

Here's a look at the President's claims and the facts behind them.

When asked about the Black L***s M****r protests happening across the US, Trump talked about the federal crackdown on protesters who have destroyed monuments, claiming, "We have now over 1,000 people, federal, in jail. We're prosecuting many people."

Facts First: This is not accurate based on data from Trump's own Department of Justice. While it is not clear where the 1,000 number came from, the department reported that as of September 2, a total of 227 people have been federally charged in cities, including Minneapolis, Portland, Salt Lake City and Seattle. The charges vary from arson to assaulting a federal officer.

Cancel culture

After a reporter asked about the President's calls to investigate the use of the New York Times' 1619 project to teach students about the country's history with r****m, Trump said he wants "everyone to know everything they can in history," adding that he is "not a believer in cancel culture."

Facts First: It's false for Trump to suggest he doesn't like "cancel culture," considering how he has himself explicitly advocated cancellations, boycotts and firings on numerous occasions for what he considers objectionable words and acts.

CNN's Daniel Dale compiled a list of such instances, countering the President's assertion.

18 angry Democrats

Trump said special counsel Robert Mueller's team -- which investigated Russian interference in the 2016 US e******n -- included "18 angry Democrats."

Facts First: Mueller himself is a longtime Republican. The majority of the lawyers on his team had registered as Democrats, but not all of them.

The Washington Post found in 2018 that 13 of the 17 lawyers then on the special counsel's team had registered as Democrats; the Post said the other four had no affiliation or their affiliations could not be found.

In his testimony on July 24, 2019, Mueller said he hires people for their capabilities and integrity and had "not had one occasion to ask somebody about their political affiliation" in his 25 years working "in this business."

Trump used to reference Mueller's "13" angry Democrats, but appears to have inflated the number by an additional five.

Cost of Mueller investigation

According to Trump, Mueller spent $48 million over the course of his investigation.

Facts First: The Mueller investigation actually cost $32 million, according to figures released by the Justice Department, and the government is expected to rec**p millions of dollars as a result of the investigation, most from former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to a CNN analysis of the sentences handed out to people charged by Mueller.

Trump has previously misstated the cost of the investigation but his current claim is $3 million more than before.

Spying

Trump once again alleged that President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Joe Biden had spied on his 2016 p**********l campaign.

Facts First: This is comprehensively false. There is no evidence that Obama or Biden personally directed the FBI to surveil people in the Trump campaign.

History of tariffs

Trump spent a long time touting his achievements against China, namely that the US has taken in billions from China under his administration after previously never receiving so much as 10 cents.

Facts First: It's not true that the Treasury has never received "10 cents" from China. The US has had tariffs on China for more than two centuries.

It's also misleading for Trump to suggest that the Chinese are paying for the tariffs. American importers make the tariff payments in the form of customs duties.

You can read more about the history of US tariffs on China here.

Shutdown

Echoing comments he made in August, Trump claimed "Biden's plan for the China v***s is to shut down the entire US economy."

Facts First: Biden has not announced any such plan for combating the c****av***s p******c but has said he would be prepared to call for a shut down if scientists recommended doing so. It's also worth noting that presidents cannot single-handedly "shut down" the country.

Monuments

Trump again claimed that he instituted a law that would send people to prison for 10 years if they tore down a monument or statue.

Facts First: The President's executive order doesn't create new laws or possible prison sentences, it simply directed the attorney general to enforce already-existing laws.

Trump issued an executive order on June 26 to, among other things, direct the attorney general to "prioritize" investigating and prosecuting certain cases of vandalism -- especially of monuments and memorials of US veterans -- in accordance with "applicable law."

One of the laws cited in the order is the "destruction of government property," which carries a potential "fine of up to $250,000, ten years imprisonment, or both" if the purposeful damage to government property exceeds $100. The law has been around since 1964.

Trump also cited the Veteran's Memorial Preservation Act, passed in 2003, which carries a fine and/or imprisonment of up to 10 years for those convicted of vandalizing or destroying monuments, plaques, statues or other property "commemorating the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States."

These laws have been on the books for years. Trump has not recently authorized the Department of Justice to pursue these cases but has ordered the attorney general to prioritize them.

Pillows and tank busters

In referencing US aid to Ukraine, Trump compared his record to President Obama's.

"They used to send pillows and we send tank busters," Trump said.

Facts First: While the Obama administration was criticized for its refusal to provide lethal assistance to Ukraine, it did provide more than $100 million in security assistance, as well as a significant amount of defense and military equipment.

NATO spending

Trump said twice that NATO member countries were increasing their spending to $400 billion a year.

Facts First: NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said during a meeting with Trump on December 3, 2019 that, by 2024, non-US members will have spent a total of $400 billion more on defense than they did in 2016 -- not that they will be spending $400 billion more "a year." And since these predictions were made prior to the c****av***s they don't take into account the possible impact of the current p******c, NATO spokeswoman Peggy Beauplet noted in an email to CNN in August.

WTO record

Trump said he's "looking at the World Trade Organization" out of concerns the US is not being treated fairly because "we never used to win anything."

Facts First: Contrary to Trump's repeated assertion, the US has long won cases at the World Trade Organization. Trump's own Council of Economic Advisers even said in a February 2018 report that the US had won 86% of the cases it has brought since 1995. The global average was 84%, according to the council.

Case fatality rates

The President claimed that the US has one of the lowest case fatality rates for C****-** among developed countries.

Facts First: The US does have one of the lowest rates of case fatalities -- which measures the number of deaths from the v***s over the number of cases. But Trump fails to mention that the US has among the highest mortality rates -- a measurement of the number of deaths per 100,000 people -- in the world with over 100 countries with lower death rates.

V*****e timeline

Trump suggested that it is possible a v*****e is approved before e******n day, November 3.

Facts First: Experts who are currently running some of the v*****e trials tell CNN that this timeframe is unlikely. Even when one is approved, it will likely still be many months before a v*****e is widely available across the US.

Sen. Kamala Harris

Trump said that Harris was "the most liberal person in Congress."

Facts First: Harris' v****g record in the Senate is certainly one of the most liberal, though her record prior to the Senate is more moderate on some issues.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/07/politics/donald-trump-labor-day-press-conference-fact-check/index.html

(There are several hyperlinks within the report that were omitted in this post, but can be accessed by going back to the main article.)
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Sep 15, 2020 06:04:11   #
The T***H is: the trumplemeister blurts out lies & his blind followers simply move forward in the belief that he's telling them the t***h. He may be ON the Right, but he's certainly NOT correct.

Fact check: Trump makes more false claims about Biden and protests

President Donald Trump billed his Monday appearance in the White House briefing room as a "news conference."

He did take about six minutes' worth of questions. But he dev**ed the first 20 minutes to a de facto campaign event -- another extended Trump attack on Democratic nominee Joe Biden, whom he tried to link to r****rs even after Biden unequivocally denounced them during a speech earlier in the day.

Trump criticized Biden's speech for not specifically identifying left-wingers or A****a as responsible for the violence Biden was denouncing. But Trump himself refused to condemn violence by his conservative supporters. He offered a preliminary defense of Kyle Rittenhouse, the teenager who has been charged with k*****g two people and wounding another during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, claiming it appeared Rittenhouse was acting to defend himself.

We won't attempt to render a verdict on that case in a quick fact check. But Trump also made a number of claims that were clearly false or misleading.

Biden blaming police

Trump claimed that during Biden's speech Monday, the nominee did not mention violence from the far-left and that he "blame[d]" police. 

"He didn't mention the far left, or from what I saw I don't believe he mentioned the word 'A****a,'" Trump said. "But mostly seemed to blame the police and law enforcement."

Facts First: It's true Biden didn't condemn "A****a" or the "far left" by name in this speech, but he issued a broad condemnation of r**ting and l**ting. It's unclear what Trump believes Biden was blaming cops for. Biden said most cops "are good and decent people" but condemned police brutality. 

Before strongly condemning r**ts, Biden spoke against "The violence of extremists and opportunists -- right-wing m*****as, w***e s*********ts, vigilantes -- who infiltrate protests carrying weapons of war, hoping to wreak havoc, and to derail any hope and support for progress."

Biden continued. "I want to make it absolutely clear ... r**ting is not protesting, l**ting is not protesting. Setting fires is not protesting. None of this is protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple."

In a statement  Sunday, Biden "condemn[ed] violence of every kind by any one, whether on the left or the right" challenging "Trump to do the same."

On police, Biden spoke against "violence we've seen again and again and again of unwarranted police shootings [and] excessive force," mentioning the deaths of Breonna Taylor, G****e F***d and the recent shooting of Jacob Blake. Biden also noted that "most cops are good and decent people."  

"I have worked with police in this country for many years," Biden said. "I know most cops are good, decent people. I know how they risk their lives every time they put that shield on and go out the door. And I am confident I can bring the police to the table as well."

Protests in Portland

Trump said of Portland: "The entire city is ablaze all the time."

Facts First: This is false. While protesters have set fires at some of the nightly protests in Portland, and while some of the protests have involved violence, these problems have largely been confined to a small section of the city near the federal courthouse; most Portland residents have been able to go about their normal lives.

Josh Campbell, a CNN law enforcement correspondent on the ground in Portland and who is a former FBI supervisory special agent, told us in an email after Trump's news conference: "Insisting this is a city ablaze is a lie."

"Portland is not a city under siege. Today, I went to a Starbucks downtown, ate lunch at one of the city's famous downtown food trucks, and bought a new pair of shoes at the mall. As I write this, I'm looking out of my hotel room at a bike tour riding by outside on the downtown street," Campbell said.

"To be sure, there have been protests -- peaceful during the daytime, and some turning violent at night -- for over 90 days, but the r**ting has largely been confined to one city block downtown near the federal courthouse. Last night, protesters showed up at a police precinct a few miles from downtown and were dispersed by police after some protesters started throwing eggs and rocks at police cars. There has been periodic, localized violence, but nothing widespread."

Chicago violence

Commending Operation Legend, where the FBI has provided federal resources to support law enforcement efforts to address violent crime in nine cities, including Chicago, Trump claimed "in the last month alone, we cut the murder rate in Chicago in half."

Facts First: Trump was roughly accurate about the recent decline, though it's not clear the federal agents are primarily responsible for the monthly decline. Chicago was experiencing the city's deadliest month in over 25 years.

At this time last year, there had been 352 homicides in Chicago for 2019. As of Sunday, there have been 497 homicide victims in Chicago for 2020. The Tribune reports that by the end of July, there were 440 homicides this year, meaning there have been 57 people murdered in August. Compared to 107 homicides in July, that's a decrease of approximately 47%.

Trump credits this decrease to the more than 100 federal agents who arrived in Chicago at the end of July as part of Operation Legend.

Biden's comments on r****rs

Trump claimed Biden has told a "monstrous lie" by describing vandalism, anarchy, r**ting and l**ting as "peaceful" protest.

Facts First: This is false. Biden has correctly noted that many protesters have been peaceful; he has not argued that the violent protesters are peaceful. Rather, he has repeatedly denounced violence, r**ting and l**ting.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/31/politics/trump-kenosha-briefing-fact-check/index.html
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Sep 13, 2020 19:12:45   #
60s & 70s Protest Songs worth review:

1963 Masters Of War
1963 A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall
1964 The Times They Are A-Changin'
1965 Eve of destruction
1966 For What It's Worth
(Something happening here)
1966 Society's Child
1967 Alice's Restaurant Massacree
1967 I-Feel-Like-I'm-A-Fixin'-To-Die Rag
1968 The Unknown Soldier
1968 Revolution
1969 Teach Your Children
1969 Give Peace A Chance
1969 Simple Song Of Freedom
1970 Ohio
1971 What's Goin On
1971 Imagine
1973 Livin' For The City
1979 Another Brick In The Wall, pt. 2

...and many more
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Sep 11, 2020 09:11:48   #
Rose42 wrote:
What those who support this depravity forget is its not just "her" life or "her" body. The vast majority of a******ns are for convenience. Innocent lives needlessly snuffed out.

And therein is the problem - - no one can know the intimate details of someone's life and make that decision for them. It's none of anyone's business except the woman's and what her mind and tell her.
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Sep 11, 2020 09:08:22   #
Tiptop789 wrote:
Trump was a die hard Democrat until, what 2014? Then when he was in his 60s, he suddenly had an epiphany and voilá, like a butterfly, he's reborn as a die hard Republican? Or the reality is that you are being conned by one of the best. Yeah, your being conned.

I'm not sure you meant to quote me, but I'm sure you don't mean me - - I'm guessing you meant "you're being conned" in the general sense regarding the people to whom I was speaking - - I'm not being conned. I already knew what you wrote about Trump - - he is a flip-flopper for his own purposes. He simply wanted to win and he knew he couldn't win as a Democrat, so prest-o change-o, he rebrands himself as a Republican. Just more of his lying, c***ting, narcissistic, serial adulterering ways.
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Sep 11, 2020 07:37:29   #
Tiptop789 wrote:
(...snipped...) ...trump will be 1 & done (over done in my opinion).

Your words to the ears of the universe, may they reverberate !!!
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Sep 11, 2020 07:31:13   #
Tiptop789 wrote:
Weeds always sprout where you don't rant them. Are Republicans the same?

Unfortunately, like well rooted weeds, they don't want to let go of supporting a lying, c***ting common narcissistic serial adulterer...
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