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Jul 29, 2013 17:17:59   #
Navysnipe wrote:
We already know that the feds view us citizens as the enemy. But now, the local police departments do as well. This is ridiculous. The same people we hired to protect us, now treat us as the enemy.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/frightening-new-reason-to-fear-police/ :thumbdown:


Could it be because the police are tired of being out-gunned in the course of their duties? When citizens can buy military style weapons, why shouldn't the police have access to the same?

Not saying I like it, but to me it is understandable that local law enforcement should be as well armed as the criminals.
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Jul 29, 2013 16:30:19   #
snowbear37 wrote:
I think it's more an issue of states' rights vs. federal rights.

The Tenth Amendment (Amendment X) to the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, was ratified on December 15, 1791.[1] The Tenth Amendment states the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States or the people.

Unfortunately, many of the states' rights as well as the peoples' rights have been usurped by the Federal government. In many cases, because some of these rights are said to be part of the "commerce clause" (which in some cases, is a real "stretch").
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I think you raise an interesting point. The commerce clause is used often to justifiy federal action. I take it that conservatives would argue that if the federal gov't makes a law that contravenes the 2nd amendment the states would have a right to not enforce those laws and instead enforce their own.

But how would that work? If we have 50 different sets of rules regulating gun sales and regulations wouldn't that force the federal gov't to act to regulate the resulting "commerce" (by that I mean the t***sport and shipping of guns)?
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Jul 28, 2013 11:06:52   #
oldroy wrote:
Now it seems that the clothes students wear determine whether they can get in to hear The One speak. Oh yes, it seems that their writing on Tee shirts determined whether ticket holders could get in. They were even told to stand far away from the building. Can't have the media showing dissension among the group, can we?


http://godfatherpolitics.com/11886/college-republicans-denied-entry-to-obama-speechfor-presidents-protection/


Sauce for the goose....sauce for the gander
http://progressive.org/mag_mc082007
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Jul 27, 2013 14:08:22   #
OffGrid9 wrote:
If "extensive studies" have failed to identify a single case of v***r f***d in NC, then I'd guess the studies weren't extensive enough. Over the years, most other states have found numerous cases of v***r f***d, including miscounted v**es, lost/destroyed/disappearing v**es, intimidation at polling places, and (most of all) v**es cast by persons not constitutionally permitted to v**e. The attempt to pass a law to require v**er identification was never intended to limit or complicate the v****g process for citizens. Yes, there is a small percentage of legal v**ers who don't have adequate documentation of their citizenship status, but seldom will it be necessary to expend great time or money to obtain a certified copy of a birth certificate, naturalization document, or passport. Where a citizen can make a case that such an expense would really be a burden, then we should make arrangements (using public funds, or better, private donations) to help those people get the proper documents. This can all be done far in advance of the next e******n cycle. It should NOT pose any substantial inconvenience to the huge majority of v**ers, and would pose a tremendous advantage to e******n officials who need to identify and block illegal v**ers. I congratulate NC on its purported lack of v***r f***d, but again, this is to prevent what has become a nationwide v**er-fraud scandal in recent e******ns. Most states are affected, including my own, WA state. We need to stop dead people and criminals and i*****l i*******ts from v****g. If the process of doing that places a slight burden on some of our poorer v**ers (both Democrat AND Republican), so be it...and again, we should be able to help them. But wh**ever the cost, it's a price we need to pay, to ensure honest e******ns in EVERY state.

If you don't object to jerrymandering, I do. Matter of opinion, I guess, but I don't like ANY party creating hugely stupid district boundaries to assure themselves a political advantage. It ain't kosher. In any case, with or without jerrymandering, in a country that uses representative democracy as a v****g model, there will always be situations where the majority of v****g citizens do not get their way. Get over it. Work to get out your party's v**ers to make sure that, next e******n, even jerrymandering can't muzzle you. I sincerely hope you succeed, because I don't want to disenfranchise anyone, especially through jerrymandering. Good luck.
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The issue has been studied by our local university and the state legislature. I'm not sure why NC would be cleaner than other states in that regard, because we certainly have had our fair share of other types of corruption, including our last governor being threatened with federal prison. Yes he was a democrat.
As I have said (maybe on another thread), I was not disturbed by the Republican victory, nor surprised. The Democrats had gotten way too comfortable.
I know that v****g and it's counting is a complex procedure and mistakes get made in counting, registration, etc. But that's a far cry from thinking, as some folks do, that Democrats that are in power are stealing e******ns.
I have no objection to streamlining, clarifying, updating or other fixes to make e******ns for fair and efficient. I don't even oppose the v**er ID laws in principle. For all the reasons you stated, and especially if the state helps in getting the ids. But when the Pa. governor said they did it to deliver Pa. to Romney, my antenna went up. And some of the rhetoric surrounding this issue is counterproductive. American liberals need and deserve representation also. We are not inherently Marxist America hating folks. We love our country too.
Which brings me to jerrymandering. I'm not for it. I just don't blame the Republicans for doing it. The former Democratic administrations certainly drew safe seats for themselves.....hence the corruption.
I think you'd be surprised at how much this liberal agrees with the conservative critique of our current politics and governance. It's the solutions that need negotiation.
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Jul 27, 2013 12:13:00   #
I'm here because I was hoping for some intelligent discussion of the issues.
And your response is 'why are you here?'
LOL
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Jul 27, 2013 12:08:19   #
alex wrote:
you are the best example I could give


Still no examples of this alleged v***r f***d. Just name calling.
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Jul 27, 2013 11:27:53   #
alex wrote:
when you keep your head up your ass all the time no one can show you anything


Nice.
Is it too much to ask to for data? Or am I just to believe wh**ever assertion is made on the web. Because no-one posts falsehoods on the internet.
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Jul 27, 2013 11:18:13   #
If liberals k**l, wouldn't the opposition be dead instead of running half the country?
Just a thought.
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Jul 27, 2013 11:15:51   #
oldroy wrote:
Yep, I am sure that Indonesia asked for help before we sent it in the form of floating hospitals when they had their huge tidal wave. I bet they didn't ever ask for any more help.

I am sure that Iran would have used that whole thing to their advantage, also.


Look, I think you're right about the Iranian motive, but they offered.
The fact that we turned down foreign aid (because, hey that's our job....we don't get foreign aid, we give it) can't be turned around to throw ourselves a pity party that nobody helped us.
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Jul 27, 2013 10:53:30   #
AuntiE wrote:
Could you provide a link supporting your statement, especially Iran offering any assistance?


Sure.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/iran_offers_to_help_cities_devastated_7dKmHIw0RJQWuk5Ar8U83I
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Jul 27, 2013 10:28:13   #
Again.....asserting something as fact does not make it so.
Show me the links proving v***r f***d.
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Jul 27, 2013 10:08:52   #
I did not know that they continue receiving a salary after they leave office. Even worse.

We do agree that after leaving office they and executive employees should be hands off of public business.
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Jul 27, 2013 10:04:27   #
AuntiE wrote:
This would be apples and oranges. Of all the countries listed only Canada is similar in land mass, population and diversity. Have you looked at the numbers of Canadians who cross the border to the US to obtain part of their health care?


Not true. Canada only has a similar land mass. But that's beside the point. We all know that Canadians are Americans with no guns and health insurance. :)

If all other developed countries are oranges and we are the apple, it doesn't mean we can't learn from the oranges. Did you take a look at the statistics? Germany, for example, is about the size of California with 2.5 times the people of that state. Much more densely populated than the US with few natural resources. Yet they spend much less money per capita on health care with better vital statistics.
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Jul 27, 2013 09:56:47   #
Michael Nestorick wrote:
Tom Lopez needs an attitude adjustment. It is ONE NATION UNDER GOD. America better wake up.


If you read the article, you would know that it's the students who saw this project through. The adult did not stop it. His attitude was just fine.
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Jul 27, 2013 09:36:01   #
To reduce health care costs and improve care, Americans ought to consider the health care models provided by other developed countries. Better results, less cost.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/media/Files/Publications/Issue%20Brief/2011/Jul/1532_Squires_US_hlt_sys_comparison_12_nations_intl_brief_v2.pdf
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