OffGrid9 wrote:
If "extensive studies" have failed to identify a single case of v***r f***d in NC, then I'd guess the studies weren't extensive enough. Over the years, most other states have found numerous cases of v***r f***d, including miscounted v**es, lost/destroyed/disappearing v**es, intimidation at polling places, and (most of all) v**es cast by persons not constitutionally permitted to v**e. The attempt to pass a law to require v**er identification was never intended to limit or complicate the v****g process for citizens. Yes, there is a small percentage of legal v**ers who don't have adequate documentation of their citizenship status, but seldom will it be necessary to expend great time or money to obtain a certified copy of a birth certificate, naturalization document, or passport. Where a citizen can make a case that such an expense would really be a burden, then we should make arrangements (using public funds, or better, private donations) to help those people get the proper documents. This can all be done far in advance of the next e******n cycle. It should NOT pose any substantial inconvenience to the huge majority of v**ers, and would pose a tremendous advantage to e******n officials who need to identify and block illegal v**ers. I congratulate NC on its purported lack of v***r f***d, but again, this is to prevent what has become a nationwide v**er-fraud scandal in recent e******ns. Most states are affected, including my own, WA state. We need to stop dead people and criminals and i*****l i*******ts from v****g. If the process of doing that places a slight burden on some of our poorer v**ers (both Democrat AND Republican), so be it...and again, we should be able to help them. But wh**ever the cost, it's a price we need to pay, to ensure honest e******ns in EVERY state.
If you don't object to jerrymandering, I do. Matter of opinion, I guess, but I don't like ANY party creating hugely stupid district boundaries to assure themselves a political advantage. It ain't kosher. In any case, with or without jerrymandering, in a country that uses representative democracy as a v****g model, there will always be situations where the majority of v****g citizens do not get their way. Get over it. Work to get out your party's v**ers to make sure that, next e******n, even jerrymandering can't muzzle you. I sincerely hope you succeed, because I don't want to disenfranchise anyone, especially through jerrymandering. Good luck.
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The issue has been studied by our local university and the state legislature. I'm not sure why NC would be cleaner than other states in that regard, because we certainly have had our fair share of other types of corruption, including our last governor being threatened with federal prison. Yes he was a democrat.
As I have said (maybe on another thread), I was not disturbed by the Republican victory, nor surprised. The Democrats had gotten way too comfortable.
I know that v****g and it's counting is a complex procedure and mistakes get made in counting, registration, etc. But that's a far cry from thinking, as some folks do, that Democrats that are in power are stealing e******ns.
I have no objection to streamlining, clarifying, updating or other fixes to make e******ns for fair and efficient. I don't even oppose the v**er ID laws in principle. For all the reasons you stated, and especially if the state helps in getting the ids. But when the Pa. governor said they did it to deliver Pa. to Romney, my antenna went up. And some of the rhetoric surrounding this issue is counterproductive. American liberals need and deserve representation also. We are not inherently Marxist America hating folks. We love our country too.
Which brings me to jerrymandering. I'm not for it. I just don't blame the Republicans for doing it. The former Democratic administrations certainly drew safe seats for themselves.....hence the corruption.
I think you'd be surprised at how much this liberal agrees with the conservative critique of our current politics and governance. It's the solutions that need negotiation.