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Mar 21, 2022 04:16:56   #
New escalation seen in Ukraine crisis
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Russia claimed on Saturday that it had unleashed hypersonic missiles against an arms depot in Ukraine, the first use of the next-generation weapons in combat, after Kyiv's embattled leader pressed for "meaningful" talks to halt the "special military operation" in its fourth week.

If confirmed, the use of Russia's new Kinzhal ("dagger") hypersonic missile, which can elude most defense systems, would mark a new escalation in Russia's campaign to force Ukraine to abandon hopes of closer ties with the West.

"The Kinzhal aviation missile system with hypersonic aeroballistic missiles destroyed a large underground warehouse containing missiles and aviation ammunition in the village of Deliatyn in the Ivano-Frankivsk region (of western Ukraine)," Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said on Saturday.

The region of Ivano-Fran kivsk shares a 50-kilometer-long border with NATO member Romania.

The ministry also said Russian forces used the anti-ship missile system Bastion to destroy Ukrainian military facilities near the Black Sea port of Odesa.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, who unveiled the Kinzhal missile in 2018, has called it "an ideal weapon" that flies at 10 times the speed of sound.

Ukrainian Air Force spokesman Yuri Ignat told Agence France-Presse that the depot in Deliatyn, a village near the border with Romania, had indeed been hit but "we have no information of the type of missile".

Moscow's announcement came hours after Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky again appealed for peace, urging Russia to accept "meaningful" talks in his latest video posted on social media.

"This is the time to meet, to talk, time for renewing territorial integrity and fairness for Ukraine," he said. "Otherwise, Russia's losses will be such that several generations will not recover."

Ukraine claimed on Saturday that a Russian general had been k**led by strikes on an airfield outside Kherson, just north of Crimea, saying he was the fifth top-ranking officer k**led since Feb 24.

Russia didn't confirm the information, but said its troops had broken through Ukrainian defenses to enter the strategic southern port city of Mariupol, prompting more people to join the millions fleeing their homes.

On Sunday morning, the Mariupol City Council said an art school being used as a shelter in the besieged city had been bombed by Russian forces.

About 400 people were sheltering in the building, which was destroyed in the attack, the council said.

Russia has repeatedly denied that its attacks were targeting civilians, saying they instead were targeting military facilities with "high-precision weapons".

Mikhail Mizintsev, chief of Russia's National Defense Management Center, accused Ukrainian nationalists of planning chemical attacks in several regions.

He said nationalists have placed mines in ammonia and chlorine storage facilities at the Sumykhimprom chemical plant in Sumy in order to poison the Sumy region's residents in case Russian troops enter the city.

Separately, Russia's Federal Security Service said mines that Ukrainians had deployed in the Black Sea could drift as far as the Bosporus Strait and the Mediterranean Sea.

Storms have cut cables to some of those mines, which are now floating freely in the western Black Sea, pushed along by wind and the currents, the security service warned.
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Mar 21, 2022 04:10:55   #
Jlw wrote:
I must be blind I still don't see it


It depends on what the meaning of the word "the" means
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Mar 21, 2022 04:10:25   #
dtucker300 wrote:
There's nothing contrary to what I have said compared to this. You just can't accept that there are multiple views that all have some merit besides your own snarky comments that you paint as the only fact and viable opinion.


Lots of opinions, few facts...

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(Russian President Vladimir Putin referenced the presence of such units within the Ukrainian military as one of the reasons for launching his so-called “special military operation … to de-militarise and de-N**ify Ukraine”) Putin has been saying it since he became president, but it is not the reason he invaded Ukraine. Zelensky didn't become President until 2019. Much of this existed and was institutionalized in Ukraine before Zelensky came to office, as a reform candidate. Not a perfect one, but nevertheless.
(Russian President Vladimir Putin referenced the p... (show quote)


Zelensky didn't do anything to den**ify the Ukraine... 😂😂😂
https://adarapress.com/2022/02/25/ukrainian-president-zelensky-deepens-alliance-with-far-right/

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(Azov regiment - estimated at 900 – are ultra-nationalists and accused of harbouring neo-N**i and w***e s*********t ideology.)


https://workers.today/us-backed-f*****t-azov-battalion-in-ukraine-is-training-and-radicalizing-white-s*********ts/

Rather larger than that.. And the accusation has to do with their uniforms and ideology... But please, if the guy with a swastika and black sunsets on his uniform assures you he's not a n**i, you should probably believe him😂😂😂😂

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(In 2015 - 10 to 20 percent of Azov’s recruits were N**is. Yeah, that is a real hotbed of n**ism. However, there's no denying that a problem exists.)


And where do they recruit from??? Three guesses which part of the Ukraine... Those that don't join can still work with the n**i party...

Quote:
(In June 2015, both Canada and the United States announced that their own forces will not support or train the Azov regiment, citing its neo-N**i connections.)


😂😂😂Go back and re read the article you're quoting from...In the next line it admits that they then decided to continue training them...FFS😂😂😂

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(T***snational support for Azov has been wide, and Ukraine has emerged as a new hub for the far right across the world. Men from across three continents have been documented to join the Azov training units in order to seek combat experience and engage in similar ideology.) Numbers probably in the hundreds which are hundreds too many. Maybe more like in the dozens.


Yep...Sad little n**i LARPers love the Azov...I know a few of their fans... Sick pseudo f*****ts...
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Mar 21, 2022 04:01:16   #
dtucker300 wrote:
(Almost) Every politician wants one-party rule...theirs!
(Almost) Every politician wants power over others.
It's the rare individual indeed who does not, such as George Washington.
Human nature hasn't changed in 10,000 years.

The proof is in the pudding of what Zelensky actually does if he survives this war with Russia.


He'll be the president of a greatly reduced Ukraine... Until the next e******ns...

I'm guessing Western Ukraine will have soured on having a Jewish president by that point...

In any case, Zelensky has been on this path for a long time....

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/ukrainian-presidents-rule-becomes-increasingly-corrupt-authoritarian/
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Mar 21, 2022 03:57:43   #
skyrider wrote:
Rt was available here until just recently because I have been looking at it. Now it is gone.
Word here is that yes there have been meetings but they are a total pipe dream and meaningless.


I've heard that there have been meetings involving Israel, Turkey, Belarus, and several others acting as intermediaries... I agree with you... There will only be one end to this war...And I doubt Zelemsky will capitulate any time soon...

Odd... I had heard that the Ukraine blocked Russian State sponsored media... Just another bit of disinformation...
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Mar 21, 2022 03:55:07   #
dtucker300 wrote:
I just told you about China.

Chechens are fighting Chechens.

No, you didn't say it was a justified invasion but you haven't really denied it either when you called it an incursion, trying to soften the language.


It is an incursion, although I've used the term invasion as well... They're not there to stay, so incursion is better...

I'm surprised you know about the blood vendetta .. Must say, I don't blame the Russians for wanting to avoid the Ichkarians... Brutal people...

Personally, I'd have them wipe each other out..
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Mar 21, 2022 03:52:13   #
woodguru wrote:
R****m runs deep in Russian blood as does christianity...those "questions" you are asking are so full of right wing rhetoric you never will get "answers"


Yep..Russians are pretty r****t too...

Somewhat less so than Ukrainians...But not a huge difference...

Like you?could answer a question😂
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Mar 21, 2022 03:51:01   #
dtucker300 wrote:
We were going to remove the missiles in Turkey anyway as they were outdated weapons and served no strategic interest. It was just a carrot hung in from of the Russians.


😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Yeah...

Good one...
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Mar 21, 2022 03:50:10   #
dtucker300 wrote:
So says Ukraine, So says you! Why should I believe either? But reportedly Putin's troops control Chernobyl and Zaporizhzhia after reported shelling near them and fire during their capture. Have you anything to prove they weren't fired on, that no fighting took place over these facilities, or that the Russian troops do not control them, other than your propaganda refuting Ukraine's propaganda? All it takes is one media outlet to report and the rest of the lemming news outlets follow their lead without confirmation. The jury is still out on this one until I see actual proof one way or another.

https://carnegieendowment.org/2022/03/17/what-comes-after-russia-s-attack-on-ukrainian-nuclear-power-station-pub-86667
So says Ukraine, So says you! Why should I believe... (show quote)


Russian troops do control them...
And there was a fire near one...
Feel free to look it up...
More than a kilometer from the reactor...
This is from Western and Ukrainian sources...

How Tucker likes his news reported: Lots of hyperbole and insinuation; as few facts as possible...

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-attacks-ukraine-nuclear-plant-invasion-advances-83245801

How intelligent people prefer their news: Straight facts; No need for hyperbole..

https://www.cnbctv18.com/world/ukraine-war-the-dangers-following-russias-attack-on-the-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-power-plant-12720112.htm

Key point:
The building which suffered the attack and ensuing fire was located approximately 500 metres from the block of six reactors. Only one of which was even active...

I was off on the distance...

FYI: Russia has the plant up and working and providing electricity to eastern Ukraine... Weird thing for an aggressor to do, no???
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Mar 21, 2022 03:29:56   #
Marty 2020 wrote:
Silver
Bullets
Food
Gas
People
All at risk of becoming tools in the barter system we’re heading to.


Don't forget spices and alcohol...
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Mar 21, 2022 03:29:12   #
dtucker300 wrote:
What the hell are you smiling at? That's sick!


You're shocked that a sexual d*****ts finds crimes against children funny???
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Mar 21, 2022 00:04:16   #
Marty 2020 wrote:
Are you implying that a government leader would mislead the people?
First time for everything I guess.


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Mar 20, 2022 23:40:04   #
Oldsailor65 wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me to see something like that happen.


It would be extremely surprising
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Mar 20, 2022 23:27:04   #
Oldsailor65 wrote:
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Already Identified

An unconfirmed report indicates that a restive Russian elite could o*******w Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

The Kyiv Independent, which is hardly unbiased, tweeted a morsel that could not be verified.

“Ukraine’s military intelligence claim that Russia’s elites scheme to o*******w Putin to restore economic ties with Western countries. Aleksandr Bortnikov, head of FSB security agency, is allegedly being considered as Putin’s successor, according to Ukraine’s intelligence,” it tweeted.

The possibility of such a step was bandied about by Steven Hall in an Op-Ed for The Washington Post.

“The real threat to Putin comes from the siloviki, a Russian word used loosely to describe Russia’s security and military elite. These are people like Nikolai Patrushev, currently the secretary of the Russian security council, and Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), as well as other current and former senior security officials,” he wrote.

“Men like Patrushev and Bortnikov not only possess hard power, but they know how to use it and are inclined to do so. The FSB includes around 160,000 members of the Border Guard service, as well as thousands of armed personnel with law enforcement authorities. But the strength of the FSB comes not only from its ability to do violence; the organization is also highly secretive. FSB officers are sk**led at working clandestinely, keeping their most sensitive operations strictly compartmented to small groups. Putin understands this better than most: He once ran the organization himself,” Hall wrote.

“The invasion of Ukraine has triggered a withering response that threatens the viability of the Russian state. As in 1991, the country is at grave risk. The siloviki, watching the slow-motion dissolution of the kleptocratic autocracy that has kept them in power for the past three decades, have the ability to end Putin’s regime. They may decide to act,” he wrote.

Putin has shown zero tolerance for public opposition to the war, jailing protesters who continue to swell on Russian streets, according to The New York Times.

“The Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and t*****rs and simply spit them out like a fly that accidentally flew into their mouths,” Putin said last week in announcing a new crackdown against anyone opposing him. “I am convinced that such a natural and necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to respond to any challenges.”

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That has resulted in vast numbers of Russians fleeing the county.

More than 25,000 have fled to Georgia, a former Soviet republic, according to the BBC.

Those remaining behind live in a world of highly regulated information, according to The Washington Post.

Amid state TV that talks about N**is in Ukraine, many Russians are circumventing the official ban on connecting to social media that tell the rest of the world what is actually happening.

Mikhail Shevelev, a Moscow-based journalist, talked of “shock, hatred and depression,” of the “drastic” divide among Russian citizens who only know what Putin’s government tells them and those who are fully informed.

“It’s really difficult for anyone — even Russians who do not live in Russia — to understand the scale of absolutely illogical perceptions of information and outright lies,” he said.

An associate of jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny agreed with the end result predicted by the Kyiv newspaper, but not the timetable, according to The Independent.

“The war is not popular and the economic decline is not going to be popular. I think it brings forward the demise of Putin’s regime,” Vladimir Ashurkov, chief executive of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation, said.

“I think we will see increasingly widespread dissent in the business and political elite, and mass dissatisfaction in the population – I think this will lead to big political change,” Ashurkov said.

“I think that it’s likely that we see a real change of government within five years. At what cost? How exactly will it happen? That remains to be seen,” he said.

https://www.westernjournal.com/report-putins-o*******w-plotted-new-successor-already-identified/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal&ats_es=489ee1ba734a5f1f055e6be09233f635
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Alr... (show quote)


Ukrainian propaganda...

Obvious propaganda...
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Mar 20, 2022 23:13:30   #
skyrider wrote:
www.rt.com refused to connect.



The Ukraine blocked rt news...

Here is the story...



20 Mar, 2022 14:29
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Ukraine and Russia close to agreement on ‘critical’ issues – Turkey
Ankara is ‘hopeful of a ceasefire’ if both sides remain where they are on key details
Ukraine and Russia close to agreement on ‘critical’ issues – Turkey

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has said Ukraine and Russia are nearing agreement on “critical” issues and that Ankara believes a ceasefire is possible provided neither side decides to backtrack.

In an interview with Istanbul daily Hurriyet, on Sunday, Cavusoglu – who traveled to Moscow and Kiev for meetings last week – indicated that there had been “rapprochement in the positions of both sides on important subjects, critical subjects.”

“We can say we are hopeful for a ceasefire if the sides do not take a step back from the current positions,” he added, without offering further details.

Turkish p**********l spokesman Ibrahim Kalin told Al Jazeera, however, that Moscow and Kiev were close on four main issues, citing Russia’s red line of Ukraine vowing not to join NATO, demilitarization and “den**ification” of the country, and the protection of the Russian language.

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Kalin said a permanent ceasefire would have to come through a direct meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelensky, Reuters reported. Ukrainian p**********l aide Mikhail Podolyak said on Thursday that Zelensky could meet Putin “in the coming weeks” but only if a peace treaty was ready.

Several rounds of talks between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations in Belarus have failed to produce breakthroughs, but have led to cooperation on organizing humanitarian corridors for the evacuation of civilians.

Last week, the Financial Times reported that “significant” progress had been made in the talks and that a 15-point plan had been drafted. However, the report was refuted by both Moscow and Kiev.

READ MORE: PM savaged for comparing Ukraine crisis to Brexit
Moscow attacked its neighbor in late February, following a seven-year standoff over Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics in Donetsk and Lugansk.

Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military bloc, while Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied allegations that it was planning to retake the two breakaway regions by force.
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