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Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Already Identified
Mar 20, 2022 22:41:20   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Already Identified

An unconfirmed report indicates that a restive Russian elite could o*******w Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

The Kyiv Independent, which is hardly unbiased, tweeted a morsel that could not be verified.

“Ukraine’s military intelligence claim that Russia’s elites scheme to o*******w Putin to restore economic ties with Western countries. Aleksandr Bortnikov, head of FSB security agency, is allegedly being considered as Putin’s successor, according to Ukraine’s intelligence,” it tweeted.

The possibility of such a step was bandied about by Steven Hall in an Op-Ed for The Washington Post.

“The real threat to Putin comes from the siloviki, a Russian word used loosely to describe Russia’s security and military elite. These are people like Nikolai Patrushev, currently the secretary of the Russian security council, and Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), as well as other current and former senior security officials,” he wrote.

“Men like Patrushev and Bortnikov not only possess hard power, but they know how to use it and are inclined to do so. The FSB includes around 160,000 members of the Border Guard service, as well as thousands of armed personnel with law enforcement authorities. But the strength of the FSB comes not only from its ability to do violence; the organization is also highly secretive. FSB officers are sk**led at working clandestinely, keeping their most sensitive operations strictly compartmented to small groups. Putin understands this better than most: He once ran the organization himself,” Hall wrote.

“The invasion of Ukraine has triggered a withering response that threatens the viability of the Russian state. As in 1991, the country is at grave risk. The siloviki, watching the slow-motion dissolution of the kleptocratic autocracy that has kept them in power for the past three decades, have the ability to end Putin’s regime. They may decide to act,” he wrote.

Putin has shown zero tolerance for public opposition to the war, jailing protesters who continue to swell on Russian streets, according to The New York Times.

“The Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and t*****rs and simply spit them out like a fly that accidentally flew into their mouths,” Putin said last week in announcing a new crackdown against anyone opposing him. “I am convinced that such a natural and necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to respond to any challenges.”

Will Russia rise up to o*******w Vladimir Putin?
Yes: 74% (625 V**es)
No: 26% (225 V**es)
That has resulted in vast numbers of Russians fleeing the county.

More than 25,000 have fled to Georgia, a former Soviet republic, according to the BBC.

Those remaining behind live in a world of highly regulated information, according to The Washington Post.

Amid state TV that talks about N**is in Ukraine, many Russians are circumventing the official ban on connecting to social media that tell the rest of the world what is actually happening.

Mikhail Shevelev, a Moscow-based journalist, talked of “shock, hatred and depression,” of the “drastic” divide among Russian citizens who only know what Putin’s government tells them and those who are fully informed.

“It’s really difficult for anyone — even Russians who do not live in Russia — to understand the scale of absolutely illogical perceptions of information and outright lies,” he said.

An associate of jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny agreed with the end result predicted by the Kyiv newspaper, but not the timetable, according to The Independent.

“The war is not popular and the economic decline is not going to be popular. I think it brings forward the demise of Putin’s regime,” Vladimir Ashurkov, chief executive of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation, said.

“I think we will see increasingly widespread dissent in the business and political elite, and mass dissatisfaction in the population – I think this will lead to big political change,” Ashurkov said.

“I think that it’s likely that we see a real change of government within five years. At what cost? How exactly will it happen? That remains to be seen,” he said.

https://www.westernjournal.com/report-putins-o*******w-plotted-new-successor-already-identified/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal&ats_es=489ee1ba734a5f1f055e6be09233f635

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Mar 20, 2022 23:27:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Already Identified

An unconfirmed report indicates that a restive Russian elite could o*******w Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

The Kyiv Independent, which is hardly unbiased, tweeted a morsel that could not be verified.

“Ukraine’s military intelligence claim that Russia’s elites scheme to o*******w Putin to restore economic ties with Western countries. Aleksandr Bortnikov, head of FSB security agency, is allegedly being considered as Putin’s successor, according to Ukraine’s intelligence,” it tweeted.

The possibility of such a step was bandied about by Steven Hall in an Op-Ed for The Washington Post.

“The real threat to Putin comes from the siloviki, a Russian word used loosely to describe Russia’s security and military elite. These are people like Nikolai Patrushev, currently the secretary of the Russian security council, and Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), as well as other current and former senior security officials,” he wrote.

“Men like Patrushev and Bortnikov not only possess hard power, but they know how to use it and are inclined to do so. The FSB includes around 160,000 members of the Border Guard service, as well as thousands of armed personnel with law enforcement authorities. But the strength of the FSB comes not only from its ability to do violence; the organization is also highly secretive. FSB officers are sk**led at working clandestinely, keeping their most sensitive operations strictly compartmented to small groups. Putin understands this better than most: He once ran the organization himself,” Hall wrote.

“The invasion of Ukraine has triggered a withering response that threatens the viability of the Russian state. As in 1991, the country is at grave risk. The siloviki, watching the slow-motion dissolution of the kleptocratic autocracy that has kept them in power for the past three decades, have the ability to end Putin’s regime. They may decide to act,” he wrote.

Putin has shown zero tolerance for public opposition to the war, jailing protesters who continue to swell on Russian streets, according to The New York Times.

“The Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and t*****rs and simply spit them out like a fly that accidentally flew into their mouths,” Putin said last week in announcing a new crackdown against anyone opposing him. “I am convinced that such a natural and necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to respond to any challenges.”

Will Russia rise up to o*******w Vladimir Putin?
Yes: 74% (625 V**es)
No: 26% (225 V**es)
That has resulted in vast numbers of Russians fleeing the county.

More than 25,000 have fled to Georgia, a former Soviet republic, according to the BBC.

Those remaining behind live in a world of highly regulated information, according to The Washington Post.

Amid state TV that talks about N**is in Ukraine, many Russians are circumventing the official ban on connecting to social media that tell the rest of the world what is actually happening.

Mikhail Shevelev, a Moscow-based journalist, talked of “shock, hatred and depression,” of the “drastic” divide among Russian citizens who only know what Putin’s government tells them and those who are fully informed.

“It’s really difficult for anyone — even Russians who do not live in Russia — to understand the scale of absolutely illogical perceptions of information and outright lies,” he said.

An associate of jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny agreed with the end result predicted by the Kyiv newspaper, but not the timetable, according to The Independent.

“The war is not popular and the economic decline is not going to be popular. I think it brings forward the demise of Putin’s regime,” Vladimir Ashurkov, chief executive of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation, said.

“I think we will see increasingly widespread dissent in the business and political elite, and mass dissatisfaction in the population – I think this will lead to big political change,” Ashurkov said.

“I think that it’s likely that we see a real change of government within five years. At what cost? How exactly will it happen? That remains to be seen,” he said.

https://www.westernjournal.com/report-putins-o*******w-plotted-new-successor-already-identified/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal&ats_es=489ee1ba734a5f1f055e6be09233f635
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Alr... (show quote)


Ukrainian propaganda...

Obvious propaganda...

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Mar 20, 2022 23:34:02   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ukrainian propaganda...

Obvious propaganda...


It wouldn't surprise me to see something like that happen.

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Mar 20, 2022 23:40:04   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me to see something like that happen.


It would be extremely surprising

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Mar 20, 2022 23:41:42   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Already Identified

An unconfirmed report indicates that a restive Russian elite could o*******w Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

The Kyiv Independent, which is hardly unbiased, tweeted a morsel that could not be verified.

“Ukraine’s military intelligence claim that Russia’s elites scheme to o*******w Putin to restore economic ties with Western countries. Aleksandr Bortnikov, head of FSB security agency, is allegedly being considered as Putin’s successor, according to Ukraine’s intelligence,” it tweeted.

The possibility of such a step was bandied about by Steven Hall in an Op-Ed for The Washington Post.

“The real threat to Putin comes from the siloviki, a Russian word used loosely to describe Russia’s security and military elite. These are people like Nikolai Patrushev, currently the secretary of the Russian security council, and Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), as well as other current and former senior security officials,” he wrote.

“Men like Patrushev and Bortnikov not only possess hard power, but they know how to use it and are inclined to do so. The FSB includes around 160,000 members of the Border Guard service, as well as thousands of armed personnel with law enforcement authorities. But the strength of the FSB comes not only from its ability to do violence; the organization is also highly secretive. FSB officers are sk**led at working clandestinely, keeping their most sensitive operations strictly compartmented to small groups. Putin understands this better than most: He once ran the organization himself,” Hall wrote.

“The invasion of Ukraine has triggered a withering response that threatens the viability of the Russian state. As in 1991, the country is at grave risk. The siloviki, watching the slow-motion dissolution of the kleptocratic autocracy that has kept them in power for the past three decades, have the ability to end Putin’s regime. They may decide to act,” he wrote.

Putin has shown zero tolerance for public opposition to the war, jailing protesters who continue to swell on Russian streets, according to The New York Times.

“The Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and t*****rs and simply spit them out like a fly that accidentally flew into their mouths,” Putin said last week in announcing a new crackdown against anyone opposing him. “I am convinced that such a natural and necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to respond to any challenges.”

Will Russia rise up to o*******w Vladimir Putin?
Yes: 74% (625 V**es)
No: 26% (225 V**es)
That has resulted in vast numbers of Russians fleeing the county.

More than 25,000 have fled to Georgia, a former Soviet republic, according to the BBC.

Those remaining behind live in a world of highly regulated information, according to The Washington Post.

Amid state TV that talks about N**is in Ukraine, many Russians are circumventing the official ban on connecting to social media that tell the rest of the world what is actually happening.

Mikhail Shevelev, a Moscow-based journalist, talked of “shock, hatred and depression,” of the “drastic” divide among Russian citizens who only know what Putin’s government tells them and those who are fully informed.

“It’s really difficult for anyone — even Russians who do not live in Russia — to understand the scale of absolutely illogical perceptions of information and outright lies,” he said.

An associate of jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny agreed with the end result predicted by the Kyiv newspaper, but not the timetable, according to The Independent.

“The war is not popular and the economic decline is not going to be popular. I think it brings forward the demise of Putin’s regime,” Vladimir Ashurkov, chief executive of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation, said.

“I think we will see increasingly widespread dissent in the business and political elite, and mass dissatisfaction in the population – I think this will lead to big political change,” Ashurkov said.

“I think that it’s likely that we see a real change of government within five years. At what cost? How exactly will it happen? That remains to be seen,” he said.

https://www.westernjournal.com/report-putins-o*******w-plotted-new-successor-already-identified/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal&ats_es=489ee1ba734a5f1f055e6be09233f635
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Alr... (show quote)

A regime change. That would add complications

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Mar 20, 2022 23:50:42   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
RascalRiley wrote:
A regime change. That would add complications


Not necessary

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Mar 21, 2022 01:03:21   #
kemmer
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Already Identified

An unconfirmed report indicates that a restive Russian elite could o*******w Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

The Kyiv Independent, which is hardly unbiased, tweeted a morsel that could not be verified.

“Ukraine’s military intelligence claim that Russia’s elites scheme to o*******w Putin to restore economic ties with Western countries. Aleksandr Bortnikov, head of FSB security agency, is allegedly being considered as Putin’s successor, according to Ukraine’s intelligence,” it tweeted.

The possibility of such a step was bandied about by Steven Hall in an Op-Ed for The Washington Post.

“The real threat to Putin comes from the siloviki, a Russian word used loosely to describe Russia’s security and military elite. These are people like Nikolai Patrushev, currently the secretary of the Russian security council, and Alexander Bortnikov, the head of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), as well as other current and former senior security officials,” he wrote.

“Men like Patrushev and Bortnikov not only possess hard power, but they know how to use it and are inclined to do so. The FSB includes around 160,000 members of the Border Guard service, as well as thousands of armed personnel with law enforcement authorities. But the strength of the FSB comes not only from its ability to do violence; the organization is also highly secretive. FSB officers are sk**led at working clandestinely, keeping their most sensitive operations strictly compartmented to small groups. Putin understands this better than most: He once ran the organization himself,” Hall wrote.

“The invasion of Ukraine has triggered a withering response that threatens the viability of the Russian state. As in 1991, the country is at grave risk. The siloviki, watching the slow-motion dissolution of the kleptocratic autocracy that has kept them in power for the past three decades, have the ability to end Putin’s regime. They may decide to act,” he wrote.

Putin has shown zero tolerance for public opposition to the war, jailing protesters who continue to swell on Russian streets, according to The New York Times.

“The Russian people will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scum and t*****rs and simply spit them out like a fly that accidentally flew into their mouths,” Putin said last week in announcing a new crackdown against anyone opposing him. “I am convinced that such a natural and necessary self-purification of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to respond to any challenges.”

Will Russia rise up to o*******w Vladimir Putin?
Yes: 74% (625 V**es)
No: 26% (225 V**es)
That has resulted in vast numbers of Russians fleeing the county.

More than 25,000 have fled to Georgia, a former Soviet republic, according to the BBC.

Those remaining behind live in a world of highly regulated information, according to The Washington Post.

Amid state TV that talks about N**is in Ukraine, many Russians are circumventing the official ban on connecting to social media that tell the rest of the world what is actually happening.

Mikhail Shevelev, a Moscow-based journalist, talked of “shock, hatred and depression,” of the “drastic” divide among Russian citizens who only know what Putin’s government tells them and those who are fully informed.

“It’s really difficult for anyone — even Russians who do not live in Russia — to understand the scale of absolutely illogical perceptions of information and outright lies,” he said.

An associate of jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny agreed with the end result predicted by the Kyiv newspaper, but not the timetable, according to The Independent.

“The war is not popular and the economic decline is not going to be popular. I think it brings forward the demise of Putin’s regime,” Vladimir Ashurkov, chief executive of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation, said.

“I think we will see increasingly widespread dissent in the business and political elite, and mass dissatisfaction in the population – I think this will lead to big political change,” Ashurkov said.

“I think that it’s likely that we see a real change of government within five years. At what cost? How exactly will it happen? That remains to be seen,” he said.

https://www.westernjournal.com/report-putins-o*******w-plotted-new-successor-already-identified/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal&ats_es=489ee1ba734a5f1f055e6be09233f635
Putin's O*******w Being Plotted, New Successor Alr... (show quote)

Just as long as it isn't Medvedev. He and Putin have been trading jobs for a decade. Though I doubt Medvedev wants to leave his fabulous palatial estate on the Black Sea.

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Mar 21, 2022 01:59:56   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ukrainian propaganda...

Obvious propaganda...



That state TV sounds a lot like our MSM. Distorted news and opinionated journalism. I miss the days of our "free press". Now we have to weed through every thing we read or hear on our news channels Never hearing the real. Reasons for our governments decision's on why they do what they do

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Mar 21, 2022 02:46:53   #
woodguru
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me to see something like that happen.


Of course not, there are patriotic Russians that see what Putin is doing to Russia and will intervene.

My guess is we will never know what happens, may never, but Putin may go through some things.

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Mar 21, 2022 11:06:28   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
woodguru wrote:
Of course not, there are patriotic Russians that see what Putin is doing to Russia and will intervene.

My guess is we will never know what happens, may never, but Putin may go through some things.


I agree with ya again Woody....but don't get used to it.
I'm not coming round to yer way of think'n....may be you are becoming normal......like me!!!

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Mar 21, 2022 11:19:28   #
American Vet
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
I agree with ya again Woody....but don't get used to it.
I'm not coming round to yer way of think'n....may be you are becoming normal......like me!!!


Well Sailor - remember the old adage: Even a blind pig will occasionally find an acorn....


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Mar 21, 2022 11:22:38   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
American Vet wrote:
Well Sailor - remember the old adage: Even a blind pig will occasionally find an acorn....



I should'a said.....like me and Donald Trump!!

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Mar 21, 2022 11:23:01   #
kemmer
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ukrainian propaganda...

Obvious propaganda...

The only way this insane war will end is if/when Putin is removed, one way or the other.

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Mar 21, 2022 11:35:31   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
kemmer wrote:
The only way this insane war will end is if/when Putin is removed, one way or the other.


True....dam.....another liberal agrees with me.

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