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Aug 23, 2014 14:02:24   #
bdamage wrote:
I don't have any qualms with Darwin......it's those who have distorted his theory and have been teaching this to kids in schools without any proof of any "change of KIND".
I have zero problem with "adaptation" whatsoever.


Darwin's theory is based on this:

Darwin's theory of evolution is based on five key observations and inferences drawn from them. These observations and inferences have been summarized by the great biologist Ernst Mayr as follows:

1) Species have great fertility. They make more offspring than can grow to adulthood.

2) Populations remain roughly the same size, with modest fluctuations.

3) Food resources are limited, but are relatively constant most of the time.

From these three observations it may be inferred that in such an environment there will be a struggle for survival among individuals.

4) In sexually reproducing species, generally no two individuals are identical. Variation is rampant.

5) Much of this variation is heritable.

From this it may be inferred: In a world of stable populations where each individual must struggle to survive, those with the "best" characteristics will be more likely to survive, and those desirable traits will be passed to their offspring. These advantageous characteristics are inherited by following generations, becoming dominant among the population through time. This is natural se******n. It may be further inferred that natural se******n, if carried far enough, makes changes in a population, eventually leading to new species. These observations have been amply demonstrated in biology, and even fossils demonstrate the veracity of these observations.

To summarise Darwin's Theory of Evolution;
1. Variation: There is Variation in Every Population.
2. Competition: Organisms Compete for limited resources.
3. Offspring: Organisms produce more Offspring than can survive.
4. Genetics: Organisms pass Genetic traits on to their offspring.
5. Natural Se******n: Those organisms with the Most Beneficial Traits
are more likely to Survive and Reproduce.

Darwin imagined it might be possible that all life is descended from an original species from ancient times. DNA evidence supports this idea.
Probably all organic beings which have ever lived on this earth have descended from some one primordial life form. There is grandeur in this view of life that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved. (Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species)

Do we agree?
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Aug 23, 2014 14:00:25   #
GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
LAPhil: Don't responded to me lying, I don't care if you responded or not, but not lying, you understand.


Still awaiting the proof.
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Aug 23, 2014 13:50:09   #
bdamage wrote:
He said "change of KIND" which the evolutionists believe happened over millions if not billions of years.
Such as.....we evolved from apes....how ludicrous is that?


I can explain this. Just give me a moment looking for common ground here. Evolution is the natural process in which a species changes. Let me get the full definition,

1.the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

2. the gradual development of something, especially from a simple to a more complex form.

Now can we agree before I prove Darwin Half right/ and prove him half wrong.
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Aug 23, 2014 13:45:31   #
GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
Israel is the only true ally of the U.S. in the middle-east because the U.S. helped Israel with $ 3 billion dollars per year forever, and the military equipment to k**l innocent people who can't defend themselves in Palestine.


Where's your reference, oh yeah, no evidence without a reference. Sorry. But you're whole statement is unsubstantiated. Let me make it easy for you provide to sources for any testimony to be brought forth, then reference the sources, then wait for the rebuttal.

But without references, which I have a volumes of your statement dies with you. Come on get with the program. You are facing biblical, archaeological, historical evidence that I can provide, where's your proof?

Statistics proof nothing, 1% of Americans said that. this is an example of unsubstantiated proof. However, if I site Fox News and ABC news saying Christians are being beheaded now that is substantiated proof. Because you can go to the ABC website and find the article and you can go to Fox News and find a similar article witnessing to the fact that the Christians are being massacred.

Now where is your proof?
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Aug 23, 2014 13:38:59   #
adprofits wrote:
For the creation of a new species all that is required is an original kind, male and female.

Darwins birds were still birds.

For Darwin to prove evolution, the birds would have to become a new KIND. There is absolutely no evidence of that ever happening. Evolution must be accepted by faith therefore it is not science but rather it is a religion.

there is more than enough scientific evidence to disprove evolution.


Evolution: the process in which a species changes. Hmm, so no species changes in time? That is kind of far fetched when you consider logic.
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Aug 23, 2014 13:35:30   #
Homestead wrote:
Actually, no!

There is no law against murder.

If you k**l a Muslim, then you can be k**led for that.

Last year an article was printed where two teenage friends were hunting and one of the boys laid his rifle on a fence they were climbing over and the gun fell, went off and k**led the other friend.

So the religious leaders decided that the second boy had to be k**led, because, it's a life for a life and accidents don't count.
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Here are some words from Islam and their definitions. You tell me if they're concerned about murder.

Harbitude

Harbitude is the opposite of dhimmitude.

Develop some harbitude and become a harbi with attitude!
So what is a Harbi? Are YOU one?

A Harbi has no rights, not even the right to live.
...and, you maybe a harbi without even knowing it!
Harbis are people who jihadists judge to be 'at war with Islam', though they don't have to do anything aggressive towards Moslems, their mere existence is a sufficient insult to Allah to justify their extermination.

Islam divides people into two antagonistic groups - Moslems (collectively known as the Ummah) versus Kaffirs (aka Kufr, Kuffars, Infidels or non-believers).

Kaffirs are subdivided further - Jews and Christians who accept the supremacy of Islam are known as Dhimmis, and are allowed to live as second-class citizens, provided they pay the extortionate Jizya (infidel tax) to their Moslem masters. However the Jews must be exterminated eventually before world Islamic domination can be achieved. Christians will then be kept as s***es, since somebody has to do the work, and all parasites needs hosts.

The state of being a submissive Dhimmi is known as Dhimmitude.

Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, Pagans and members of all other 'non-Abrahamic' religions, together with secularists, and those Jews and Christians who do not accept Muslim domination, are regarded as Harbis - targets of war.
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The Koran occupies a place that has no parallel in Western civilization.

The Koran is considered by Muslims and by traditional Islamic theology to be dictated, word for word, by God himself, by Allah himself, through the Angel Gabriel, to the Prophet Mohamed.

As a result, every word of it, is the words of God himself. Every word of the Koran, unless it is canceled by another section of the Koran itself, is valid for all time and
cannot be questioned,
cannot be reformed,
cannot be changed, within an Islamic context.

This means that moderate Muslims, peaceful Muslims, if they are sincere, have to reject entirely Koranic literalism. But, to do so, puts them outside the sphere of anything that has been considered orthodox Islam throughout history, because to do so, is to reject the very basic premise of Islam, that this is a book, that is dictated by God and is a perfect copy of a perfect book the, “oomalkutab.” (Arabic spelling unknown) The mother of the book that has existed forever with Allah in heaven.

What the West needs to know about Islam. 10:37 – 11:55 (time marks)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4xCdehrV96U#!
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And this is what they teach their kids, You tell me, just how concerned about murder are they.

Hamas to kids: Shoot all the Jews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ
Actually, no! br br There is no law against murde... (show quote)


How reliable is what you just posted on a scale of 1-10, 1 being unreliable, 10 being the horses mouth. I have never heard of a 10 other than what science can prove and most of science proof is about 9.98 percent accurate. So how reliable and accurate is this?
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Aug 23, 2014 13:30:52   #
LAPhil wrote:
Ranger, I don't mean to belabor this but I really h**e to see an educated guy like you wasting your time with this moron. He'll never admit he's wrong no matter how many facts you give him.


This time, because I'm tired of dealing with him, I am going to force him to come up with facts to support his thesis. Yes he is a moron, but let's see if we can teach this moron before we all jump all over him. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Aug 23, 2014 13:28:50   #
DennisDee wrote:
Exactly and racial loyalty is not based on reason therefore when ones arguments are inconsistent and incoherent reason is not in play and some other underlying power is responsible such as racial loyalty. You are supporting what I posted so don't be so quick on the draw to call It an ignorant statement.


I just thought bringing race into it would rabbit trail off into a whole other argument, rather than the topic of Al Qaeda and Right Wing Gun Nuts. O. K. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Aug 23, 2014 13:26:02   #
GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
Ranger: What do you mean, still bearing false witness against ISRAEL, you see. You continued defending Israel, and Israel want peace with occupation, that doesn't work. The U.S. is playing a dirty game between Israel and the Palestinian since 1967, provoking a retaliation from the Arabs. Stop your long posts lying in the Political Forum, sooner or later U.S. will pay for the hypocrisy.


Oh so now you blame the United States for the attacks Palestine places on Israel? This conversation is getting real ridiculous. Next you are going to blame Israel with the Kennedy assassination.

Come up with concrete proof why Israel should do anything. They rebuilt the land starting in 1880, they became a sovereign nation in 1948, they have been attacked by the Arabs ever since. Now, show in concrete verifiable evidence, that they should return to borders that you suggest, since Palestine never existed.... only as a mandate not as a nation.
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Aug 23, 2014 13:21:28   #
DennisDee wrote:
You didn't answer the question. Does racial loyalty exist and can it lead to incoherent positions and inconsistent defenses on issues?


That is questionable according to reason. Loyalty racially is somewhat of a myth to people who believe in the words all men are created equal. However, for those who do not believe in those words, it has come to my experience that loyalty is greater than reason, until new evidence comes to light, in the subjects mind.

This is growth of the human person and is also known as open mindedness, not that they do not still remain loyal to their race, but that they are enlightened to bring forth a new idea of how the integration of e******y comes about. Therefore, for the ignorant or the naive yes the statement is true, for the learned or educated the statement is false. So it depends on the level of education one has, in both experience and wisdom from books.

For if the educated and the learned are shown the light, they tend to agree to the light as educated people do, and question what they were taught. If the evidence of what they were taught is proven untrue then they aggressively fight against that information. However, if it is proven true, they aggressively fight for it.

This is just an observation however.
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Aug 23, 2014 13:13:54   #
RockKnutne wrote:
I dance only to serious notes.

I have bumped into Rhomin twice already. If I see Rock, I'll see how he's feeling these days. He is so slippery and whoever takes what he says seriously, I know I never do?

As to the rest, let them speak now or, forever hold AuntiE from being a reprobate panhandler. The gloves are off I bet and, I'm feeling rather saucy. :wink:

TTFN


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Aug 23, 2014 13:12:37   #
Homestead wrote:
"Well lets just look at this situation for a moment. According to their law, "if a man murders a man, then that man must be executed." For isn't murder a road to more murder. Is this not the law of Moses? Is this not the Law of Christ? Is this not the law of the Muslims?"

"s this not the law of the Muslims?"...............................................


I had to stop reading your post at this point, because the law of Moses is not the law of Islam.

That is the misunderstanding of Islam in a nut shell.

Islam is the law of Mohammed.

Mohammed wrote his own book borrowing from Muslim Jewish and Christian religions, with lots of proverbs written by himself.

WHAT ISLAM IS NOT &#9733;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VEXWjlgJ83E


This is the first of twenty two you tube video's explaining why Islam is Islam, not an off shoot of any other religion.

Walid Shoebat - Why Islam is the Antichrist 1 of 22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OxKMxds-P8


The first step in solving any problem, is to understand the problem.
Otherwise, your just making stuff up.
"Well lets just look at this situation for a ... (show quote)


So are you saying that Islam does not have a law prohibiting murder?
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Aug 23, 2014 13:10:52   #
PeterS wrote:
? 1) why would science seek to disavow scripture? 2) How has science been forced to acknowledge the historical "facts" of scriptures and why does that matter?

Scripture, in and of itself, proves nothing so what is there for science to disavow? If we were to find 10 commandments written in stone would that be a proof of god or a proof that someone, at some point, wrote 10 commandments in stone? As for what I want? I want facts not conjecture. I want t***h not mythology. That's all...
? 1) why would science seek to disavow scripture? ... (show quote)


When I brought up mythology, I was not relating to the myth itself. I was looking at the genealogy that the ancient Greeks left behind, and comparing that to the historical genealogy of what the Jews left behind.

For example. There is in the theory of Evolution, evidence of Cro Magnon Man coexisting with modern man, do we agree?
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Aug 23, 2014 13:04:43   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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I'd rather the fighting start here at home first...
this will stop any further
interventions elsewhere...

Washington needs to be sacked and replaced...

I need to be convinced otherwise...


On step at a time, once the war against ISIS begins, all kinds of things are going to change. If Obama is smart the War will be a full fledged invasion, that will cause the forces of Satan to focus on holding ground over there, while the forces of Satan over here will collapse.
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Aug 23, 2014 13:01:59   #
GERARD A. SANCHEZ wrote:
PeterS: I agree with you 100% the level of paranoia is very high now, and religious fanatics hijacked our Political Forum to send extremely long posts with passages from the Holy Bible to scare the people. The problem between Jews and Arabs aggravated when Israel occupied the Palestine territory in 1967, and refused to returned to the 1948 border lines. The U.S. is playing the peace game since 1967, but Israel want peace with occupation and that it's impossible. Few months ago the U.S. opposed in the U.N. Security Council to create the State of Palestine and now the Arab world is against the U.S.A. and we may be pay the price for that. U.S. is helping Israel with $ 3 billions dollars per year.
PeterS: I agree with you 100% the level of parano... (show quote)


Still bearing false witness against Israel I see.
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