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Dec 30, 2013 01:29:46   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
In order for evolution to have taken place from the beginning of the earth's existence, a species would've had to change or morph into another....a change of kind.

It's not logical for that to have occurred.

The only logic...creationism. Only God could've created all life forms on the planet including the planet itself.

I welcome my atheist and agnostic friends to show me otherwise.

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Dec 30, 2013 02:32:24   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Human logic is not at question here. God doesn't act according to the logic of mere mortals. The finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite wisdom of God.

There is amble evidence that creatures that may or may not have been predecessors of the creatures alive in today's world existed. How the creatures alive today got here is not addressed in the bible. "In the beginning the earth was void." Look up void in the dictionary-it presupposes something being made void. What that is may be forever unknown-and totally unimportant.

Stop telling me how God acts. You haven't a clue.

bdamage wrote:
In order for evolution to have taken place from the beginning of the earth's existence, a species would've had to change or morph into another....a change of kind.

It's not logical for that to have occurred.

The only logic...creationism. Only God could've created all life forms on the planet including the planet itself.

I welcome my atheist and agnostic friends to show me otherwise.

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Dec 30, 2013 03:32:44   #
Brian Devon
 
bdamage wrote:
In order for evolution to have taken place from the beginning of the earth's existence, a species would've had to change or morph into another....a change of kind.

It's not logical for that to have occurred.

The only logic...creationism. Only God could've created all life forms on the planet including the planet itself.

I welcome my atheist and agnostic friends to show me otherwise.

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Dec 30, 2013 03:34:04   #
Brian Devon
 
You might want to go right to the source. Read "Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin.

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Dec 30, 2013 08:23:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Brian Devon wrote:
You might want to go right to the source. Read "Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin.


Brian, I would think that "Origin of Species" is considered blasphemous by creationists. They could just as easily suggest you read the Bible to confirm their beliefs.

It is almost pointless to attempt changing another's Faith/religious beliefs. Faith is a personal decision, and should be honored by those of differing views.

Another's Faith should be no threat to one's own.

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Dec 30, 2013 08:57:37   #
slipperyslope
 
Because of personal experience, I know there is a God, and that He wrote the Bible. And Jesus died for us all. There is a Heaven and a Hell, it is real, and eternal..

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Dec 30, 2013 08:59:19   #
Unintended Consequences
 
bdamage wrote:
In order for evolution to have taken place from the beginning of the earth's existence, a species would've had to change or morph into another....a change of kind.

It's not logical for that to have occurred.

The only logic...creationism. Only God could've created all life forms on the planet including the planet itself.

I welcome my atheist and agnostic friends to show me otherwise.

I am not an atheist or agnostic but I would like to address some questions to both sides of this issue.
To those who say every word in the Bible is to be believed: Does it not say in the Bible that "with God, one day is as a thousand" so are the seven days of creation 7000 days, 7000 years, 7000000000 years. No one was there to record it all so we really do not know. To those who say every word of the Bible is to be believed I ask : When was the last time you read Deuteronomy and do you follow all those rules?
To those who say: It all began with the big bang millions of years ago I ask: Where did the gas come from that exploded? It seems that someone had to provide the material for that to happen and that someone was not created by anyone else and that someone is God who is the architect who designed this amazing universe.

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Dec 30, 2013 09:04:38   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
Unintended Consequences wrote:
I am not an atheist or agnostic but I would like to address some questions to both sides of this issue.
To those who say every word in the Bible is to be believed: Does it not say in the Bible that "with God, one day is as a thousand" so are the seven days of creation 7000 days, 7000 years, 7000000000 years. No one was there to record it all so we really do not know. To those who say every word of the Bible is to be believed I ask : When was the last time you read Deuteronomy and do you follow all those rules?
To those who say: It all began with the big bang millions of years ago I ask: Where did the gas come from that exploded? It seems that someone had to provide the material for that to happen and that someone was not created by anyone else and that someone is God who is the architect who designed this amazing universe.
I am not an atheist or agnostic but I would like t... (show quote)


When that is the argument posed, one must then ask, "Where did God come from?" An answer that "He has always existed." is no answer at all.

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Dec 30, 2013 09:07:56   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
slatten49 wrote:
Brian, I would think that "Origin of Species" is considered blasphemous by creationists. They could just as easily suggest you read the Bible to confirm their beliefs.

It is almost pointless to attempt changing another's Faith/religious beliefs. Faith is a personal decision, and should be honored by those of differing views.

Another's Faith should be no threat to one's own.


But faith in GOD is a threat to anyone that has none. Not because it is or should be, but because they make it that way. If you don't believe in Darwin, then you are just plain stupid according to them. If you don't believe as they do, they consider you a threat. I guess it is because they know deep down inside that you are right. They know that Darwin was wrong and he even admitted it later in life, but they never talk about that. The fact that he wrote a book is the only thing they want to hear.

People of faith keep trying to make everyone else understand their faith, but you can't. That is one thing that is personal and that will never change. You are free to believe wh**ever you want as long as it does not interfere with someone else.

To believe in Darwin takes more faith then believing in GOD does. To believe in Darwin take so many years of evolution that we would have been around with the dinosaurs. Well, Hollywood may believe that, but I don't think anyone else does. To evolve from a one celled animal would take longer then this earth has been around, but they don't want to think about that either.

The biggest reason they don't want to believe in GOD is because they would then have to live by his laws or else and they don't want to hear about the or else.

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Dec 30, 2013 09:27:14   #
Unintended Consequences
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
When that is the argument posed, one must then ask, "Where did God come from?" An answer that "He has always existed." is no answer at all.


That is the definition of God: an uncreated being who always existed - way beyond what our minds can grasp- you either believe or you don't.

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Dec 30, 2013 09:27:46   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
When that is the argument posed, one must then ask, "Where did God come from?" An answer that "He has always existed." is no answer at all.


Then, what is the answer? This is the fun part. There oughtta be a correspondence course: Cosmological speculation and wild assed guesses for fun and profit! Amaze Your Friends! Bemuse Your Enemies! Organized religion is nothing more than an attempt to reduce the unfathomable to the understandable, too frequently with less than altruistic motives. The sincere and the charlatan, all mixed in together.

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Dec 30, 2013 10:16:23   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
Human logic is not at question here. God doesn't act according to the logic of mere mortals. The finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite wisdom of God.

There is amble evidence that creatures that may or may not have been predecessors of the creatures alive in today's world existed. How the creatures alive today got here is not addressed in the bible. "In the beginning the earth was void." Look up void in the dictionary-it presupposes something being made void. What that is may be forever unknown-and totally unimportant.

Stop telling me how God acts. You haven't a clue.
Human logic is not at question here. God doesn't a... (show quote)

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I don't CARE that you are responding like the a**hole I think you are to the poster, but I do care that you are a hypocrite about some of the dearest things around us. You have jumped on a person who SHOULD be a cohort of yours - IF you are in fact what you purport to be. I don't believe you care one whit about religion because if you did, you would have a different personality.

I had a grandfather just like you. I grew to h**e him. If you act at home like you just acted here, I hope you don't have kids or grandchildren. They will grow to despise you for your condescending approach to good people merely because you want to preach. If God appointed you, then get out and do his bidding. If He didn't, I suggest you keep your nastiness to yourself.

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Dec 30, 2013 10:42:03   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
I'm not sure who I'm quoting from this site, but someone remarked: "If there was no God there would be no Atheists". That is pretty deep on all levels and funny.

My question: isn't learning about evolution a far better battle to fight, especially if you become an authority?

Let God fight this battle, the unbelievers can only have their eyes opened by God and not by foolish human philosophy. The Atheist cannot be swayed by you anymore than you can sway them to have faith in God.

God may in fact give you the knowledge, but does it matter so much that they believe? Is it really your problem? The only thing you can do is plant a seed, God will water the seed, feed the seed, but if the seed rejects those nutrients than the seed will wither and die. Have faith and turn the other cheek.

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Dec 30, 2013 10:44:54   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Tasine wrote:
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I don't CARE that you are responding like the a**hole I think you are to the poster, but I do care that you are a hypocrite about some of the dearest things around us. You have jumped on a person who SHOULD be a cohort of yours - IF you are in fact what you purport to be. I don't believe you care one whit about religion because if you did, you would have a different personality.

I had a grandfather just like you. I grew to h**e him. If you act at home like you just acted here, I hope you don't have kids or grandchildren. They will grow to despise you for your condescending approach to good people merely because you want to preach. If God appointed you, then get out and do his bidding. If He didn't, I suggest you keep your nastiness to yourself.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br I don't CARE that you are... (show quote)


I think this is the response of a bitter person, did you fail high school biology or something?

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Dec 30, 2013 10:46:00   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Unintended Consequences wrote:
That is the definition of God: an uncreated being who always existed - way beyond what our minds can grasp- you either believe or you don't.


:thumbup:

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