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Apr 10, 2020 17:14:49   #
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How this country responded to EBOLA
Airforceone wrote:
September 2014 the EBOLA outbreak was rampaging threw West Africa. Dozens of people were infected daily. The Healthcare officials in Africa were losing the battle because they were not equipped.

But across the Atlantic Ocean the US had a President Barrack Obama who had what’s called a P******c team as part of the NSC in the White House that advised Obama on how to respond. As a matter of fact this p******c team reported to Obama during at his daily national security briefings. Obama was briefed daily on potential v***ses. And Trump does not even attends he sends Jared Kushner. Immediately after the first EBOLA case hit the US Obama was prepared so under the advice of his national p******c team dispatched almost 3000 Army personnel who were highly qualified to address a p******c and dispatched them to Africa to build treatment facilities necessary to stop the spread of EBOLA and fight this invisible enemy at its origin.

Due to the highly trained Obama p******c team the world’s most powerful and trained military was the hope that was needed and was the turning point in in the fight against EBOLA. Soon within weeks the number of infected began to decline and within months the worst EBOLA outbreak in recorded history was under control. Thanks to Obama and his quick response in turning thousands of brave Liberians, Guineans, and Sierra Leoneans health care providers who were trained on how to treat the EBOLA v***s, suppling testing facilities, supplying personal protection equipment everything needed to fight an enemy you cannot see. The world now looked at Obama’s plan that became a model for fighting epidemics. Just to mention that these military p******c team that got dispatched not one was infected with EBOLA because Obama made damm sure they had the Personal Protective Equipment needed to protect these people.

Result: 11 cases of EBOLA in this country 2 deaths and 7 cured.

There are other outbreaks that are ongoing today around the world that could eventually hit the US. But Trumps State Department won’t allow Americans first responders from the CDC to respond. He actually disbanded the foreign response team.

This time the US army p******c team is not coming because Trump disbanded the Obama team and if Trump is re-elected this country may not ride to the recuse to fight these outbreaks at there origin and just sit back and wait till it gets in the US. Then blame everybody else H**x created by democrats F**e News by CNN and his old faithful blame Schiff and Pelosi for a national p******c. So this country got invaded by an invisible enemy and Trump blames the states for there slow response.

Just quick note for the Trump supporters.

This country spends $795 billion to build a military to defend this country against foreign adversaries that would certainly want to invade this country. The US builds military base in countries all around the world with our allies for example because the US is part of NATO that Trump wants leave. And if he leaves we have to remove these bases.
But those bases are built to protect this country if another world war broke out we are prepared to fight that war on foreign soil. Not on US soil.

But Trump felt the need to disband a team that was in place to defend this country from an invisible enemy and had absolutely no response for 3months. Obama did understand because he had a team of people that understood what a v***s like this could do to this country. He attacked that invisible EBOLA v***s on foreign soil.

If this country continues with Trump can you imagine during WWII if Trump was president and the US just sat back and waited for the Germans to invade this country. No this country had the leaders that understood we either fight them over there or wait till the Germans come here. It’s the same with the invisible enemy and Obama understood that because he had a qualified p******c team in place and military personal that were trained on how to fight the invisible enemy.

But what this nation has is an invisible enemy that attacked this country and the Trump response for 3 months was a h**x, F**e News, and blame the governors for there slow response.

Just imagine this country attacked by a foreign adversary and we had a president like Trump that did nothing for three months then blamed the states for not being prepared. Well this country got invaded by an invisible enemy and in no wave shape or form was this country prepared because Trump disbanded the National P******c team and had no advisors how to inform him on how to respond. So while he panicked he used the blame game while for three months trying to scramble and put a p******c team in place as this v***s spread throughout the US causing death and now economic ruins.

So Trump was asked the question how do you rate your response to the national p******c: Trumps answer I rate it at a 10. ?????????

Is Trump with his $795 billion defense budget that he brags how he made this country safe and how Obama destroyed the defense of this country even though Obama Defense Budget was at $745 billion.

Just look at how Trump spent those tax dollars and the condition of this country today and his answer is the states were slow to response and blame WHO.
September 2014 the EBOLA outbreak was rampaging th... (show quote)


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Apr 10, 2020 17:13:37   #
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How this country responded to EBOLA
Blade_Runner wrote:
President Trump DID NOT "disband" the White House p******c team. National Security Advisor, John Bolton, re-organized it to make it more efficient.

Crisis in the Red Zone: The Story of the Deadliest Ebola Outbreak in History, and of the Outbreaks to Come
by Richard Preston. READ IT


I'm sure Preston's book is quite revealing, but I'll have to disagree with the two of you when it comes to the White House p******c team. From everything I've read, Trump cut the team as a cost cutting measure in 2018.
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Apr 10, 2020 16:45:01   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-political talk))
LOST FRIEND
saltwind78 wrote:
Even though he was a believer in science, he was a very religious person. Somehow he was able to believe in both. Many years ago, I asked him how he did this, he answered that he studied religion as though science didn't exist, and he studied science as though religion didn't exist. Years later he denied that he ever said that.


A believer in both, hard to reconcile the two in a way, brings to mind for some reason John Polkinghorne, the physicist who became an Anglican priest and embarked on an endeavor to marry science and religion. I can imagine the conversation Polkinghorne and your friend might have had. I'm glad you have the memories of him that you do.
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Apr 10, 2020 12:30:23   #
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Finally, some honesty from the CDC
lpnmajor wrote:
And this is relevant how? Such diseases always take a higher toll on those already weakened by other health issues, including exhaustion and malnutrition such as experienced by medial personnel and first responders, but is by no means limited to such folk. This MMWR even points that out with it's 10% non underlying issues count.

BTW, this does NOT predict who will or will not contract the disease, or who will or will not become sick after exposure. Another BTW, the predicted dead in the beginning was based on what, or rather was not, being done in response to the impending p******c. The fact that the predictions have had to be recalculated is a two edged sword; a blessing that the numbers were reduced as more preventive measures came online, and an indictment due to the fact that the responses came online in dribbles and drabs.
And this is relevant how? Such diseases always tak... (show quote)


Each "new" threat to global health comes with its own set of unique speculations that, over time, begin to resemble the old game "Gossip"....where something that starts as one train of thought turns into something very much different than the original one as it is passed along, and everyone who publicly speculates most likely has their own agenda. Data can be manipulated to say what someone wants it to say. That said, I am also pleased to see that the numbers are turning out to be "less than". We have seen "this one" become every variation on a theme, and then some. I am in that group that already has to take special care.....between my lupus, having survived a cancer that I had a 0-1% chance of getting past, diagnosed 3 years ago, and my vintage age (lol) of almost 73. I'm sure we're all anxious to see how this story turns out.
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Apr 10, 2020 12:06:54   #
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If THIS doesn’t light your fire, you’re either dead, or a c*******t!
dtucker300 wrote:
This is beautiful and needed right now!!!!!!!



https://raulrubiera.smugmug.com/RaulRubieraPhotography/RRP-Final-Images/2020/Evangelo-Morris-Old-Glory/i-zWkvH7G/A


I watched, and I'm glad I had some tissues handy. This one....an inspiration of great magnitude....thank you!!
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Apr 10, 2020 11:44:10   #
(General Chit-Chat (non-political talk))
LOST FRIEND
saltwind78 wrote:
This week I lost a friend to the p******c. Mark Steiner was a real prodigy. He graduated college by age sixteen even though his parents did their best to hold him back. He was the captain of the chess team at CCNY. He taught philosophy and math at the Hebrew University in Israel. Farewell old friend, you will be missed.


From what you've said about him, your friend is someone whose absence will be felt by many whose lives he touched. Such a special person you were privileged to have in your life. I can only imagine how his loss makes you feel. There really are no words that suffice. Prayers I will be sending up.
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Apr 10, 2020 08:42:43   #
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Do You Have Any Republican Friends?
dtucker300 wrote:
You make an excellent point here. Although I think a******n is an a*********n, I cannot condemn someone for having one. There are many reasons to seek an a******n, some good and some not so good, some selfish and some not. I have known a few mothers whose lives were in jeopardy before they decided to have an a******n. Until we walk in another's shoes we cannot feel the self-recrimination they have for themselves and that they receive from others, their guilt, and all the other pain they have to endure and live with the rest of their lives. It is not for me to judge them. They deserve our love, understanding, friendship, and forgiveness far more than they deserve our contempt.
You make an excellent point here. Although I thin... (show quote)


FIERCE hugs to you....
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Apr 9, 2020 11:05:38   #
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Do You Have Any Republican Friends?
woodguru wrote:
I fish and hunt with a few republicans, we have a good rule, that it is best not to talk politics on a boat, or with someone who is carrying a gun...


Centered and considerate your friends....and wise. Sounds like y'all have a great insurance plan that guarantees y'all will be hunting and fishing together for a very long time. Kudos!!
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Apr 9, 2020 10:34:56   #
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Do You Have Any Republican Friends?
woodguru wrote:
One of the funniest things my outspoken wife did was with a friend of mine and his wife when we were out having dinner. My friend is hard right, and his wife was going to v**e for Obama. That subject came up, and my friend said that he was not having his v**e negated by his wife, he just wouldn't take her to v**e. My wife said she would give her a ride, and added besides, how do you know how she v**es if she tells you she v**ed for Bush? His wife started laughing and said exactly. Larry looked like a deer in headlights. When I saw him a week later he said they were having knock down d**g out fights because she wouldn't promise him she wouldn't v**e for Obama. The next week he told me they were separating.

The concept of trying to pressure even a spouse into v****g how they want is ridiculous.
One of the funniest things my outspoken wife did w... (show quote)


Ohhhh….you made me laugh with the telling and I thank you!! I can just see the twinkle in your wife's eye. You know, I'm still laughing as I key. While it is sad that Larry and his wife separated, it sounds as if Larry's wife might possibly have benefitted from how it all turned out.
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Apr 9, 2020 10:34:56   #
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Do You Have Any Republican Friends?
woodguru wrote:
One of the funniest things my outspoken wife did was with a friend of mine and his wife when we were out having dinner. My friend is hard right, and his wife was going to v**e for Obama. That subject came up, and my friend said that he was not having his v**e negated by his wife, he just wouldn't take her to v**e. My wife said she would give her a ride, and added besides, how do you know how she v**es if she tells you she v**ed for Bush? His wife started laughing and said exactly. Larry looked like a deer in headlights. When I saw him a week later he said they were having knock down d**g out fights because she wouldn't promise him she wouldn't v**e for Obama. The next week he told me they were separating.

The concept of trying to pressure even a spouse into v****g how they want is ridiculous.
One of the funniest things my outspoken wife did w... (show quote)


Ohhhh….you made me laugh with the telling and I thank you!! I can just see the twinkle in your wife's eye. You know, I'm still laughing as I key. While it is sad that Larry and his wife separated, it sounds as if Larry's wife might possibly have benefitted from how it all turned out.
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Apr 9, 2020 10:15:20   #
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Do You Have Any Republican Friends?
lindajoy wrote:
There she is, the lady of logic compassion and love. Although I’ve told you before I’m going to tell you again it’s certainly wonderful seeing you back here.👏🏻👏🏻🌹

Hoping you have a fantastic day and enjoy the outside as much as you can. We’re getting snow again coming in probably Sunday but the temperatures have been in the 60s and 70s now.

And Miss Deb missed you! Also glad to see you. Stay safe stay healthy.❤️🌹


Awww...now...you're making me blush. A shame those "Smilies" won't cooperate on my computer. My posts would be full of 'em....and right now, they'd have a whole lot of hearts being flung everywhere!!

It has been up in the 70's here as well and it has been beautiful!! Good to hear you've had some spring to enjoy!! I did cover up the cucumbers and tomato plants sprouting in my compost pile because the weather here is supposed to turn nippy Saturday, but no snow. We had a boisterous thunderstorm in the night, I guess Mother Nature's sending a warning. My German shepherd, Jenna, woke me up as she crawled up on the bed, being really afraid of lightening and thunder. Lightning, on rare occasion, makes it way down our chimney and crawls around. Jenna wasn't taking any chances!!

You be safe out there now, hear??!!?? FIERCE hugs!!
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Apr 9, 2020 09:58:18   #
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Do You Have Any Republican Friends?
ldsuttonjr wrote:
JimMe you do sound ignorant. Some of your friends have the capability of v****g you out of your freedoms!

People often say, with p***e, ‘Im not interested in politics! They might as well say, ‘Im not interested in my standard of living, my health, my job, my rights, my freedoms, my future or any future!….If we mean to keep any control over our world and lives, we must be interested in politics. - Martha Gellhorn -


Martha Gellhorn said a mouthful, she did, and anyone who doesn't speak up and be counted, gets what they deserve. I have had people ask me "...but why do you care about politics??!!??" First time I heard that one, I was truly shocked. It had not occurred to me that such a lack of caring and involvement could exist in this day and time. HOWEVER....while I understand your passion for protecting our freedoms, the fact is that all our voices need to be heard, in order for this village of ours to continue on. Have a little faith in your fellowman, that most have this country's people, regardless of the labels some want to assign, have our country's back, that they would rather die than betray it.
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Apr 9, 2020 09:40:13   #
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Do You Have Any Republican Friends?
debeda wrote:
Well, years ago polite conversation did not include money, sex or politics I've also become less of a regular lately, in large part because of the late/full term a******n issue. There are those red lines, dontcha know, and that was a big one for me.
I hope that we, as a nation, can find our commonalities rather than focus on our differences. I have realized lately that President Trump and Bernie Sanders recognize many of the same issues plaguing our country, that the party line (D &R) folks prefer not to discuss. They just have very different proposed solutions.
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Quite an astute observation.....polite conversation was just that....polite conversation, and I guess no one was the wiser as to what was in another's heart. It just wasn't spoken about, which causes me to ponder if a part of that one, not all of it to be sure, might have been because those in Congress spoke for their constituents among one another, reached across the aisle on a regular basis, made compromises to bills that all could live with, not acting out of pure greed and malice, like they seem to these days.

Ahhhh, my first day here....I can laugh "now" at the memory and others those early days, the vitriol that first day that just about took my breath away.....and still I came back....and here I am again, but only on the periphery, because I can't allow negativity to seep back into my bones. Having had that 0-1% chance of survival whack me a good one 3 years ago taught me that some things I just have to let go. Still....those red lines drawn....we all have those red lines we will not cross, myself included, and there are those on here who refuse to even consider another's viewpoint as having any real validity. I have to add that the computer screen, giving anonymity, lends itself to outrageous behavior.

As to a******n, never could I have conceived of having one, and I am thoroughly appalled by the late term a******n concept. That said, I haven't walked in another's shoes, and while there is the perception that all who have a******ns are callous and evil, I have seen the anguish and soul searching up close (friends of mine) that comes, far more often than some might think, even when it comes to an early a******n "before" the a******n takes places. To me, it is just as great a sin to bring into this world a child unloved and either neglected or abused. I'm not sure what it says about the society we have created, but we need to find solutions. Enough said....I know already that I opened a door I shouldn't have.

I need to say it has been very nice to make your acquaintance. I hope we continue to cross paths.
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Apr 8, 2020 19:10:03   #
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Do You Have Any Republican Friends?
debeda wrote:
I do. We just have AGREED not to talk politics. Or when we do, because of events, we state our case but dont fight about it.


Well, kudos and 20,000 gold stars to you and your friends!! I am curious and wonder if you all ever end up collectively with the conclusion that there is room for compromise on wh**ever the topic at hand that day is. It has been a very long time since I was a regular here, but of late, I have felt the need to come back. Several of us used to have rather respectful conversations and "sometimes" we actually came to understand why another might have the opinion so totally different from another.

I live in a rural area where both politics and religion are dangerous topics. We have an eclectic mix of survivalists, the KKK, and some folks who are just downright anti-social, mixed in with those who respectfully agree to disagree. I'm not always comfortable attempting to get my point across, and so I stick to really safe conversation. I didn't realize just how careful I had been being until one day I had a knee-jerk response, not thinking, and the shock and awe that came with the realization they could possibly have a liberal in their midst, oh my. We did, in the end, have a good laugh and the comment was made they had had no idea. They just thought I was the quiet type. My husband wishes. lol Ever since, I catch them about to speak their mind, and they stop in mid sentence.....I wish we could go back to the way it was long ago, and sometimes I'm believing I don't remember it accurately, that there was a time when people could talk about anything.
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Apr 8, 2020 07:39:55   #
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Thoughts - Just Astonished
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
My cousin came back from Japan last week (because a p******c is a great time to take a vacation) and has been self quarantining at home...

He started to develop symptoms three days ago... Called the local hospital.. But was told he wouldn't be tested unless it got worse... Just stay home...

Today the BC government announced that there have been no new cases in our area for the past 48 hours and that things are looking up....

BigMike... I need that fish slap meme
My cousin came back from Japan last week (because ... (show quote)


Well, timing is everything, isn't it, and that "you can't be tested unless it gets worse".....the 2020 version of "take two aspirin and call me in the morning." I see this morning that Japan has now declared a state of emergency. Maybe, your cousin's timing wasn't so bad. I hope he feels better soon. I look at all those people that found themselves stranded overseas while on "vacation" and have to wonder "what were they thinking??!!??" Ahhh well....I'm just thankful I live in the woods.
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