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Feb 11, 2020 04:49:01   #
American Vet wrote:
You make valid points. However what if the government subsidy is used to keep them afloat while the trade 'war's in progress. Now that it is settled, the farmers will be in a position to produce. I believe I read that for the first time in history China is going to be buying rice fro the US.
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Could not agree more. How about the factory worker, living week to week as the farmer lives from crop to crop, whose job goes to Mexico or disappears altogether. Should he likewise have financial grace for a season to sell his house and move to a new job that might be miles away? Even if 'keeping them afloat' or giving 'financial grace' comes under the rubric of socialism because they are not producing, perhaps it is in our best interest (and in the long-run cheaper) to subsidize to allow them to get back into production with minimal disruption to life and family.


Second part: Farming is an industry. The large commercial farms are more efficient than the 'family farms'. Just part of the business cycle....
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Again, I agree completely. I was not trying to make a case for the less efficient unit. But what does the bankrupt small farmer do? He may not have the opportunity to stay in the more efficient farming situation---for example, be hired by an agribusiness. Do we treat him as a lazy dolt because he now can't earn a living or does he deserve an honorable way to get back into production of some sort?

Rice: I had not heard that China was going to buy more rice--really good news. But here again, we have a human problem. Most dry land soybean farmers in the US cannot change their next crop to rice because of geography, temperature, equipment, water kinds of issues. I'm not sure the issue here is the same as the factory worker and the bankrupt farmer above, but a real problem exists.
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Feb 10, 2020 20:54:36   #
son of witless wrote:
You have a valid point. Would you like to try for two ?


Thank you, but not trying to accumulate points. It bothers me that folks can't seem to come to a firm or at least workable definition of socialism because it will be on all our minds in the coming year. My standard definition is that socialism is a form of government that is based on the principle of 'Production according to ability; consumption according to need.'

This definition is quite general and allows one to easily skim by the situation that some farmers are in where they do produce something, but they cannot sell at a market value that supports their farming. (As exemplified by a previous responder above who said 'At least they (farmers who receive subsidies) produce something'). In my mind making up the difference between selling price and 'stay in business' price economically supports a business that the free market says is not efficient enough and should be removed from the market place. So receiving that kind of subsidy support payment is just as socialistic as being paid to not produce anything.

One historical answer to this is that we (the country) need the small farmer. But pure free market economics does not allow choice of certain exceptions to the efficiency rule: compete or leave. When small farmers don't compete, but government supports them with subsidies to increase their income, I do not see how that is anything but socialism. So let's call it what it is. If there is a reason to support inefficient small farms, OK; just be honest and call that support what it is--socialism.

The problem then becomes what special socialistic exemptions will be made and which ones should be rejected. And that is a political decision that is out of the realm of free markets. At that point the tax payer pays for the socialism and competing receivers like farmers, food stamps, auto companies, insurance companies, housing, etc. all vie for the socialistic largess for a variety of rationals.

While I am no fan of Bernie and his socialistic philosophy, I find it hypocritical to set the problem up in a way that implies that we are a free market society when in fact there is a lot of socialism in our political culture.
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Feb 10, 2020 14:48:40   #
son of witless wrote:
Always cut the " miitary " right ? Never the wasteful socialist programs championed by your champions.


Socialist programs like trump aid $28B to farmers because they lost income because of his trade deal? Doesn't sound like the free market to me; sounds like a "wasteful socialist program."
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Feb 8, 2020 01:48:34   #
According to President Trump---Pelosi Broke the Law in Tearing Up the SOU Speech:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump/2020/02/07/id/953176/?ns_mail_uid=056d40e6-c71b-453d-b94a-fffd9cd8950c&ns_mail_job=DM87928_02072020&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010102cg69h9

If so, they may both go to jail together:
https://time.com/5308542/trump-p**********l-records-nixon/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2018/06/10/crisis_at_the_national_archives_137241.html

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/10/trump-papers-filing-system-635164
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Feb 6, 2020 04:27:45   #
proud republican wrote:
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/11/obamas-lies-and-the-lies-of-the-media/

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Using your reference, I count about 10 alleged lies by Obama. That is one day for the Professional Prevaricator, the Impeached One.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

As of 10 Dec, PP had been in office 1055 days and had told 15,413 lies or misleading statements =>
14.6 lies per day. But I think his average is going up based on the lies told about the phone calls to Ukraine to say nothing of the SOU fiasco.
For sure, Trump is far superior to Obama in the lies-misleading statements department.
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Feb 6, 2020 02:10:35   #
jeff smith wrote:
if you are talking about the innuendoes thrown out by President Trump , concerning the liberal "news media" . I would have to agree with President Trump . for over 3 years they have been the mouth piece for the anti Trump, bimbocrats . when a group of "news people " calling themselves "reporters " say the same things that the dems. are saying for the last 3 years and we find that the narrative of their comments have been proven FALSE and LIES . what do you think that people should think of them ?
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https://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/
The span of his topics seems to be more than the "innuedoes." Here is a menu.
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Jan 26, 2020 04:21:49   #
JFlorio wrote:
Farmers have had bleak years before the tariffs from Trump. Reuter’s is a left wing propaganda site just like you.

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You are wrong again Florio (per usual)...Not all farmers have had it bad. The big agribusinesses have done well by the swampmeister:
https://www.ewg.org/agmag/2019/07/usda-bailout-impact-trump-s-tariffs-goes-biggest-richest-farmers

Obama took lumps from the right for bailing out the auto industry, but bailing out agribusiness seems to be somehow different when done in the swamp:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/866567/trumps-farmer-bailout-already-more-than-twice-expensive-obamas-automaker-bailout

But (he who speaks opinions with no data), all is not lost, Trump's socialistic handout is starting to help the smaller farmers this year. Do you like giving people money for not working? Maybe you are a farmer and like it? If so, spare us the free-market hypocrisy about pure capitalism. If you are not a farmer, ditto.

Sorry to have to quote standard sources; I could not find any right-wing rags with financial data about the subject.

Have a nice weekend.
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Jan 25, 2020 20:31:34   #
And American farmers won what...?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-agriculture-insight/u-s-farmers-see-another-bleak-year-despite-phase-1-trade-deal-idUSKBN1Z20CK
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Jan 20, 2020 04:28:31   #
no propaganda please wrote:
Trump Had Right to Withhold Ukraine Funds: GAO is Wrong

by Alan M. Dershowitz
January 17, 2020 at 7:00 pm

The Constitution allocates to the president sole authority over foreign policy (short of declaring war or signing a treaty). It does not permit Congress to substitute its foreign policy preferences for those of the president.

To the extent that the statute at issue constrains the power of the president to conduct foreign policy, it is unconstitutional.

Even if the GAO were correct in its legal conclusion — which it is not — the alleged violation would be neither a crime nor an impeachable offense. It would be a civil violation subject to a civil remedy, as were the numerous violations alleged by the GAO with regard to other presidents.

If Congress and its GAO truly believe that President Trump violated the law, let them go to court and seek the civil remedy provided by the law.

The Constitution allocates to the president sole authority over foreign policy... It does not permit Congress to substitute its foreign policy preferences for those of the president. (U.S. National Archives and Records Administration, Wikipedia Commons)

U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) has gotten the constitutional law exactly backwards. It said that the "faithful execution of the law" — the Impoundment Control Act—"does not permit the president to substitute his own policy priorities for those congress has enacted into law ." Yes, it does — when it comes to foreign policy. The Constitution allocates to the president sole authority over foreign policy (short of declaring war or signing a treaty). It does not permit Congress to substitute its foreign policy preferences for those of the president.

To the extent that the statute at issue constrains the power of the president to conduct foreign policy, it is unconstitutional.

Consider the following hypothetical situation: Congress allocates funds to Cuba (or Iran or Venezuela). The president says that is inconsistent with his foreign policy and refuses to release the funds. Surely the president would be within his constitutional authority. Or consider the actual situation that former President Barack Obama created when he unilaterally made the Iran deal and sent that enemy of America billions of dollars without congressional approval. I do not recall the GAO complaining about that p**********l decision, despite the reality that the Iran deal was, in effect, a treaty that should require senate approval that was never given.

Wh**ever one may think about the substantive merits of what President Donald Trump did or did not do with regard to the Ukrainian money— which was eventually sent without strings —he certainly had the authority to delay sending the funds. The GAO was simply wrong in alleging that he violated the law, which includes the Constitution, by doing so.

To be sure, the statute requires notification to Congress, but if such notification significantly delays the president from implementing his foreign policy at a time of his choice, that too would raise serious constitutional issues.

Why then would a nonpartisan agency get it so wrong as a matter of constitutional law. There are two obvious answers: first, in the age of Trump there is no such thing as nonpartisan. The political word is largely divided into people who h**e and people who love President Trump. This is as true of long term civil servants as it is of partisan politicians. We have seen this with regard to the FBI, the CIA, the Fed and other government agencies that are supposed to be nonpartisan. There are of course exceptions such as the inspector general of the Department of Justice who seems genuinely non-partisan. But most civil servants share the nationwide trend of picking sides. The GAO does not seem immune to this d******eness.

Second, even if the GAO were non-partisan in the sense of preferring one political party over the other, it is partial to Congress over the president. The GAO is a congressional body. It is part of the legislative, not executive, branch. As such, it favors congressional prerogatives over executive power. It is not surprising therefore that it would elevate the authority of Congress to enact legislation over that of the president to conduct foreign policy.

In any event, even if the GAO were correct in its legal conclusion — which it is not— the alleged violation would be neither a crime nor an impeachable offense. It would be a civil violation subject to a civil remedy, as were the numerous violations alleged by the GAO with regard to other presidents. Those alleged violations were barely noted by the media. But in the hyper-partisan impeachment atmosphere, this report received breathless "breaking news" coverage and a demand for inclusion among the articles of impeachment.

If Congress and its GAO truly believe that President Trump violated the law, let them go to court and seek the civil remedy provided by the law. But let us not continue to water down the constitutional criteria for impeachment by including highly questionable, and on my view wrongheaded, views about violations of an unconstitutional civil law.

Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law Emeritus at Harvard Law School and author of the book, Guilt by Accusation: The Challenge of Proving Innocence in the Age of #MeToo, Skyhorse Publishing, November 2019. He is a Distinguished Fellow at Gatestone Institute.
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Some other "experts" disagree:
https://twitter.com/tribelaw
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Jan 12, 2020 15:28:32   #
slatten49 wrote:
782 Gear - Also "Deuce" gear; includes pack, canteen, poncho, ammo pouch, etc. used when in the field. 782 refers to the DD Form signed when gear is issued

As You Were: -Resume former activity.

Below - Downstairs Bird - Any aircraft. Black Cadillacs - Combat Boots. Blouse - Cammie Shirt. Brass - Officers. Brig - Military Jail. Brown Bagger - Married Marine. Boot Lewy - 2nd Lieutenant. Bulkhead - Wall. Bunker - A protective shelter. Butt can - Ashtray. Butter Bar - 2nd Lieutenant. BX - Base Exchange

Cammies - Camouf**ge uniform. Cannon Cocker - aka gun bunny personnel in an artillery battery. Click - One kilometer or one notch of a rifle sight. Chopper - Helicopter. Chow Hall - Where a Marine eats, like a cafeteria. Cover - Marine Corps Hat.

Deck - Floor. Deuce and a half - 2.5 Ton Truck. Devildog - Another name for a Marine. Dinky Dau - Crazy (Viet Nam era term). Doggie - U.S. Army Soldier

Field Day - Barracks or Office cleanup. Float - Deployment by ship.

Geedunk - Junk food, snacks. Go-Fasters - Running shoes. Good to go - Ready to move, agree with, situation ok. Gouge - Any information or instructions, written or verbal.

Grunt - A Marine infantryman. Gung Ho - Very enthusiastic and committed.

Hat - Drill Instructor Hatch - Door/doorway. Head - Bathroom High and Tight - Standard Marine haircut Horn - Radio Hump - Field March

Jarhead - Another name for a Marine. John Wayne - A grandstander, or descriptive of a bold act, or any act which is typical in the movies but not sound Marine procedure, such as firing a machine gun from the hip.. Also, a simple can opener that can be carried on the dog tag chain.

Ink Stick - Black Pen

K-BAR - Marine fighting knife. Klick - A kilometer.

LPC's - Leather personnel carriers ... boots. Ladderwell - Stairwell. Leave - Vacation time. Liberty - Rest and relaxation - Authorized absence up to 96 hours. Lifer - Career Marine. Light Up - To fire on the enemy. Lipstick Lieutenant - Chief Warrant Officer 5 Lock and Load - Put ammunition in a weapon and prepare to fire.

Maggie's Drawers - A red f**g on the range connoting a miss. Maggot - DI's affectionate name for a recruit. Mess Hall - Cafeteria where a Marine eats. MOS - Military occupational specialty (job). Moon Beam - Flashlight. Moon Floss - Toilet paper. Most Ricky Tick - In a hurry; with a purpose; move fast.

NCO - Non-Commissioned Officer. Nonhacker - A man who can't perform under pressure

O-Dark Thirty - After midnight, but before working hours. Office Hours - Appearing before the Commanding Officer for discipline. OOH RAH - Motivational call. Also spelled OO RAH

PCS - Permanent change of station. PFT - Physical Fitness Test. PT - Physical Training. Piece - Rifle

Pogey bait: Candy or any non-issued food or drink item. The term possibly derives from the term “pogue,” used to describe anyone working in an administrative capacity. One would use “pogey bait” to bribe a “pogue” into doing a Marine a favor. Portholes - Thick-framed – and particularly ugly – glasses. Also known as “BCGs” – an abbreviation for “birth-control glasses.” Pogue - Anyone not in the infantry (especially administrative personnel). Derives from the acronym POG - Personnel Other than Grunt

Rack - Bed. Ruck - Backpack

SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fouled Up. Scuttlebutt - Rumor; Gossip / water fountain Secure - lock up, close, take care of, finish for the day. SOS - Creamed beef on toast, a Marine delicacy. Skivvies - Underwear. Slop Chute - Bar. Smedley - An enlisted man who caters to officers and staff noncommissioned officers in the mess hall. Coined in reference to Marine legend Smedley Butler's last name. Smoking Lamp - A shipboard tradition which indicates permission to smoke (lit) or not to smoke (out). Sparks - A Marine whose MOS is radioman or field communications. Squad bay - The long open room that houses a squad, platoon or other unit. Squid - Sailor Swab - Mop

TARFU - Things Are Really Fouled Up. Ten (10) Percenter - One of the small number of non-hackers in any unit. Topside - Upstairs

UA - Unauthorized absence

Water Buffalo - A large water tank on wheels. Whitewall - Standard Marine haircut

Zoomie - Anyone in the U.S. Air Force
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HEAD--toilet Not pure Marinese though since it is Navy jargon as well.
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Jan 6, 2020 22:53:45   #
fullspinzoo wrote:
https://explainlife.com/breaking-hillary-clinton-makes-2020-announcement-shes-in-18843/?utm_source=Explainlife.com%20Newsletter&utm_medium=email Would like to hear it from a couple more sources. After reading the article it doesn't say anything about jumping in. H**e websites like this. Sorry for the false alarm.


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Oct 24, 2019 - Explain Life is a right wing conspiracy website that does not disclose ownership information. All articles appear to be published by Martin Walsh ...
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Dec 28, 2019 17:39:12   #
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Yes, there is a difference. President Trump's tax returns are reviewed every year by the IRS and he has proven squeaky clean for decades. His business competitors would really like to get hold of these tax returns and the Democrats want to discourage any future capitalist businessmen from p**********l ambitions.

H****r Trump? The jury is out. Obviously, the Democrats are using the Republicans to do their dirty work and diminish Joe Biden's p**********l ambitions.

Let's ask questions about p**********l contender Hillary Clinton's role in 9/11 with her long affiliation with the CIA and SYSTEMATICS at the Rose Law Firm, and the biggest electronic bank heist of $400 billion dollars funneled into the Bank of New York at 9/11/2001 midnight? The Bank of New York is the bank of choice of the Russian Mafia, now harbored in sanctuary city of San Francisco, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, a mafioso fugitive wanted for murder by INTERPOL, running "Open Russia" to topple Putin.

Read the E.P. Heidner Report "Collateral Damage 9/11" in its full, to the very end ,and you will discover the perpetrators of 9/11: ENRON, Robert Mueller, James Comey, the CIA, SYSTEMATICS, and Hillary Clinton and the Russian Mafia, all lined up like ducks in a row hiding behind very big fig leaves.

The Democrat Party will do anything to reinstate c*******m in Russia and topple the New Russian Federation, while they themselves are nothing more than a den of thieves.

https://wikispooks.com/w/index.php?title=Document:Collateral_Damage_911&printable=yes
Document:Collateral Damage 911
report by E. P. Heidner dated 2010/09/01From Wikispooks

"How 9/11 buried "the biggest financial crimes in history". An analysis of the highly complex web of US/UK covert operations and criminal banking activities going back to WW2, suggesting Western complicity in the collapse of the Soviet Union and the subsequent l**ting of Soviet industry. The ostensible settlement/roll-over for these instruments were dated through September 2001 and would have clinched several high-level criminal investigations had they been allowed to settle normally."

"The "tracking the money” project [N**i and Japanese gold booty of WWII] was conducted over-all by Household International with the assistance reportedly of Systematics, a banking computer services firm, originally a subsidiary of an Arkansas-based operation. Targeted have been the banks of both friends and enemies alike. (Vince) Foster and his crew — Hillary (Rodham Clinton) and Webster (Hubbell) — used as a cover that they were supposedly "attorneys" for Systematics…. Vincent and Hillary's role in this was arranged and supervised by a Chicago-based law firm Hopkins & Sutter… [77].
[77] Clandestine Projects, Sherman H. Skolnick, Conspiracy Nation, — Vol. 8 Num. 18"
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Sounds like two different juries: the IRS for Trump and __?___ for Biden? How do we know that the IRS has not "cleared" Biden?

I am not sure what Hillary has to do with the Trump and Biden issues. Looks like the frequently used "bait and switch" ploy that we see on this site so often. In this case connecting A to Z with no interacting connectors or worse information from Wikispooks, the conspiratorial rag.

At least Meryl Streep's version of tax evasion in "The Laundromat" contains a bit of humor. Maybe Scott Burns got the plot from wikispooks :).
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Dec 27, 2019 04:20:58   #
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Tell me why is it so difficult for the right to differentiate between differences, I see it all the time and I'm sincerely wondering?

Income is NOT a personal issue, a BJ is, unless of course it was paid for, but that wasn't the case was it.
FYI all income has to be legally reported...LOL...ah the right
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Differences---Is there a difference in asking H****r B***n to reveal his income compared to asking Trump to reveal his tax returns (i.e., his income)?
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Dec 24, 2019 03:55:07   #
Including a happy Hanukkah season to our Jewish friends.
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Dec 20, 2019 19:46:17   #
padremike wrote:
Howdy, howdy. You said..... "obvious immorality of Trump's republican party.". Please clarify, validate and restate what exactly those obvious immoralities are because all I'm seeing and hearing is what Progressives and their propaganda arm, The MSM, claim. I remember when we used to have an objective and free press. Please also include what conservatives have done that, as you claim, is equal to k*****g 60 plus million unborn children.


Merry Christmas, padre, and many more.
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