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Feb 24, 2024 01:51:07   #
It is not definitively known,though often investigated, where exactly this quote originated, but no authoritative source has ever been found linking it to Gandhi.

The same supposed words of Gandhi have been repeated three times in your posted quote above, but in the opening phrase, "[I] like your Christ, but not your Christianity." - the "I" was omitted, inadvertently making the copied supposed statement incomplete...

I re-added it [in brackets] to accurately portray it as it appears online.

Below is an article that appeared in the Harvard University newspaper, "The Harvard Crimson" in 1927, suggesting that the quote was a paraphrase from Oxford's Dr. Jesse Herman Holmes (1864-1942), a Quaker philosophy professor at Swarthmore College at Oxford, 1900-1937.

https://findingaids.library.upenn.edu/records/swarthmore_SFHL.RG5.064

Dr. Holmes was the president of the National Federation of Religious Liberals and an active member of the Socialist party, as well as an active participant in AFSC relief after World War I, traveling to oversee work in reconstruction throughout Europe:

"I like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends [a.k.a., Quakers], has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform."

Technology and science news site, Gizmodo: https://archive.vn/nv7CE
included this quote among other famous quotes often attributed to Gandhi, which have no evidential documentation that they were ever actually said by him.

Gizmodo traced the quote to a statement made by Indian philosopher Bara Dada, brother of Rabindranath Tagore.
The full quote from Dada is from the mid-1920s: "Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you Christians, you are not like him."
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No, we Christians are not yet like Him; we are, however, forgiven through the grace of God, and we have His blessed promise as our assurance that we will become like Him!

1st John 3:1-3:
"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him.

Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.

And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure."

[quote=TJKMO]“I like your Christ, but not your Christianity."

In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter.

Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.”

"The Christians are the most warlike people."

"[I] like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.

"The Christians are the most warlike people.

"[I] like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.

"The Christians are the most warlike people.[/quote]
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Feb 21, 2024 05:45:45   #
Marty 2020 wrote:
Jesus was most active in matters of love and mercy, grace and forgiveness. But He also had a strong sense of duty and responsibility to protect the place of worship. He whipped and held accountable, the thieves and money changers in the temple.
We need to remember this as we consider the response to Hamas.

God does not change, Marty.

Start where God started: Hamas is accountable, here on earth, to the lawful courts of justice administered by the duly authorized governments instituted by God through Moses, in the Covenant symbolized by the Rainbow He set in the heavens.

"So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." (Genesis 1:27)

Genesis 9:5-6 Capital Punishment within the Covenant of the Rainbow:

"And surely I will require the life of any man or beast by whose hand your lifeblood is shed. I will demand an accounting from anyone who takes the life of his fellow man: Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man his blood will be shed; for in His own image God has made mankind."


God's Covenant is reaffirmed in the New Testament:

"For governmental authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword without cause. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the one who does wrong." (Romans 13:4)

As Christians, we follow our risen Lord in administering mercy, love and the gospel of Jesus Christ to the hurting and vulnerable whenever possible, as does Franklin Graham and Samaritan's Purse.

Concurrently, those responsible for administering the laws of Justice must apprehend and punish criminals, murderers... and all the lawless.

One does not contradict the other, our God can walk and chew gum simultaneously.
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Feb 19, 2024 21:28:30   #
JFlorio wrote:
Makes more sense to get rid of the Democrats.


That is the only solution that does make sense!!

If our nation's most devout, patriotic and courageous citizens will, behind closed doors, prayerfully devise a workable plan to accomplish that ...and I hope it is already in progress.

Exodus 18:21
"Moreover, look for able men from all the people, men who fear God, who are trustworthy and h**e a bribe, and place such men over the people as chiefs of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties, and of tens."

Where are these leaders?
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Feb 11, 2024 03:34:09   #
AuntiE wrote:
Franklin Graham, Samaritan’s Purse Replace Israeli Ambulances Destroyed by Hamas Terrorists
Franklin Graham (Samaritan's Purse)

The evangelical Christian organization Samaritan’s Purse has donated fourteen ambulances to the Magen David Adom, Israel’s equivalent of the Red Cross, to replace those that were destroyed by Hamas terrorists in the October 7 attack on Israel.

Samaritan’s Purse President Franklin Graham traveled to the Holy Land to dedicate the ambulances in a special ceremony Tuesday.

The 14 Magen David Adom ambulances donated by Samaritan’s Purse to replace those destroyed by Hamas in the October 7 terror attack (Samaritan’s Purse)

As described in a statement by the Samaritan’s Purse organization:

“We don’t always understand why these things happen—why tragedy happens. But we have faith in God and know that He loves us,” Graham said, addressing the families of four fallen medical personnel. “We pray that these ambulances will bring comfort to the people of Israel, knowing that someone can respond to any crisis, so we thank God and we thank God for this organization.”

All 14 ambulances dedicated today were provided by Samaritan’s Purse and dedicated in memory of the fallen. Samaritan’s Purse will also be providing seven additional ambulances, with armor plating, to Magen David Adom.

“Some may ask, why are we doing this?” Graham said. “I’m an evangelical Christian who loves Israel. I believe the Bible teaches that Israel is God’s people. There have been many battles that Israel has had to fight for its freedom.

“My father [Billy Graham] supported Israel. He believed the Bible. I believe the Bible, and I believe every word of the Bible. I don’t understand it all, but I believe it,” Graham said at the National Library in Jerusalem. “We give God the glory. The funds to pay for these ambulances came from Christian people. So, we dedicate these ambulances to God, to His glory, and we honor those who have lost their lives.”

In addition to ambulances provided to Magen David Adom, Graham also committed Samaritan’s Purse to providing new ambulance stations in communities that are most at risk of targeted attacks.

“I would like to express my deep appreciation and thank first and foremost the president of the organization, Reverend Franklin Graham, for his keen ear for the needs of Magen David Adom and the people of Israel and his open heart to help in whatever is needed,” said Eli Bin, director general of Magen David Adom. “On this day, I would like to commend the memory of our fallen heroes and pray for the safety of the IDF soldiers, for the speedy recovery of the wounded, and for the immediate return of the abductees safe and sound to their families.”


Hamas deliberately targeted ambulances in the attack, often disabling them when they attacked Israeli communities so that no one would be able to evacuate the wounded. Breitbart News saw a disabled ambulance in a visit to Kibbutz Be’eri in October.

The evangelical Christian community has been a rock-solid source of support for Israel against Hamas, which is an Islamic fundamentalist terror organization that seeks to murder Jews and impose the Muslim faith throughout the world.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/01/25/franklin-graham-samaritans-purse-replace-israeli-ambulances-destroyed-by-hamas-terrorists/
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Franklin Graham, and Samaritan's Purse, the organization he founded to honor and glorify Jesus Christ, are one of the most basic live streaming videos in the world today, of the sacrificial, uncompromising love commanded of His followers by Jesus Christ.

This is Christianity at its core.

James, the half brother of Jesus, said that faith, without the accompanying works resultant as the natural byproduct of that faith, is dead. (James 2:26)

If the world hears only our pious words, but no sacrificial action on our part, then Christianity is dismissed as a sounding brass or a clanging symbol of ineptitude.(1st Corinthians 13:1)
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Jan 28, 2024 23:21:49   #
How far we have fallen as a nation and as a people from a day when neither the government representing it's citizens, nationally, statewide, countywide or by municipality would negotiate with any robber, kidnapper, murderer, terrorist or criminal at all, understanding it would be like blood in the water to a shark.
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Jan 28, 2024 22:44:59   #
Marty, if you were ever turned loose with a real keyboard, William Shakespeare would surely tremble.
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Jan 28, 2024 22:11:19   #
I'm writing on my phone, as I don't have access to my desktop or laptop at present and not able to control this miniscule keyboard.
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Jan 28, 2024 22:05:05   #
Marty, I believe you're reluctant to share your true thoughts and feelings . Could you please stop holding back.
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Jan 28, 2024 21:58:07   #
Marty 2020 wrote:
Bastard
Loathsome
Monsters
B*M!


I detect an inability on your part
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Jan 26, 2024 21:00:38   #
When , we as a nation, turned our backs on the wisdom of the founders of this nation, - simultaneously rejecting the eternal wisdom of He who enlightened them, we ceased to perform our duty to properly forewarn, prepare, educate and innoculate our youth against the tactics of the failed tyrants and their ideologies of the past...

We passively allowed an unsuspecting and naive public to develope. It is past time to educate them... with the Wisdom of the ages, available from only One legitimate source.

manning5me wrote:
Under the American Constitution one can practice free speech. This has always meant that really good, really bad, and even really nasty ideas could be cast into the public discourse. Really nasty ideas using the most reprehensible language is allowed. Yes, free speech is sacrosanct.

There is the one exception and that is one must not yell “fire” in a theater unnecessarily, and in similar situations.

But the reason for this exception is its effect on the audience, who may well make a rush towards the exits, create a jam and cause many deaths, all of which has happened in the past, allowing this exception to the law to be written for the safety of the people.

Today, there are a number of yellings in public that ultimately have the same or similar effects on the public, but are not recognized for their lethal nature in our laws. This is due to the nature of these yellings being at first hand seemingly non-lethal, and they are not uniformly lethal in the long run depending upon the individuals ability to assimilate, rationalize, and reject what they heard.

Then too, the lethality involved is not necessarily that of the listeners themselves, but of third parties nearby that had nothing to do with the yellings. This is based upon what actions some of the listeners may take during or after the fact of the yellings as a direct influence of what they heard, or thought they heard.

This brings up the concept of the charismatic leader whose very words are commands to his followers. There are many examples of such people to cite, notably Hitler, Genghis Kan, and James Jones, as instances. Each of these leaders ordered their people to die for them, and they did, in droves.

But today, we have leaders and followers of great dedication too. They are yelling at us ideas, slogans, and precepts that quite a few of our people listen to unaware of the ultimate consequences that would follow should these wannabe charismatic souls achieve power over us.
There are quite a few of them, some even in our government right now.

Their power must come from a shift in our government structure of devastating import, and it begins with convincing enough of us that they have the right solution to our problems. It begins with the idea of Socialism is the cure for unemployment, for reducing the power of major corporations, for taxing the rich, and for solving our service, healthcare and infrastructure deficits all in one big swoop.

Of course this does not work

So the next step is to nationalize all of our industry to turn their profits into revenue for the state to spend as they wish. Control of the industries means control of the jobs, and control of the products and their distribution.
The only proper label for this form of government is Marxist C*******m.

And then the pogroms start. You are a good Marxist or you will be imprisoned or shot. You may be shot anyway because someone in power didn't like you.

Our society ends up with c*******t leaders and their helpers, a relatively strong military, a myriad of Marxist followers, prisons full of dissenters, and a whole lot of dead people.

And it all began years ago when we allowed the Marxists, fellow travelers, and others the freedom of speech to sell their poisonous ideas to an unsuspecting and naive public.

We are thus hoist by our own [free speech] petard.
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Jan 20, 2024 03:06:16   #
Armageddun wrote:
Amen and Amen. Thank you for sharing your research..


Thank you, Armageddun,
for bothering to read it, and for understanding it through the wisdom That Jesus Christ alone can provide.
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Jan 11, 2024 09:07:33   #
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-scandalous-book-on-orgasms-surfaces-from-cardinal-fernandez/

Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, recently chosen by Pope Francis to lead a ‘fine-tuning’ of the Fiducia Supplicans pastoral directives just handed down, wrote a recently resurfaced, sexually explicit book in 1998, Entitled "Mystical Passion: Spirituality and Sensuality."

In his book titled "Mystical Passion," Cardinal Fernández has built upon the themes contained in his earlier sensationalist work "Heal Me with Your Mouth: the Art of Kissing;" his more recent book attempts to compare how the “particularities of men and women in orgasm also occur in some way in the mystical relationship with God.” This work also downplays the immoral nature of homosexuality.

Chapters 7, 8, and 9 in particular have been selected as containing notably offensive material, and are respectively entitled: “Male and female orgasms,” “The road to orgasm,” and “GOD in the couple’s orgasm.”

Fernández, linking the fullness of spirituality with the exercise of sexual intercourse and orgasm, examined the question "if this mystical experience, in which the entire being is taken by God, if this kind of 'mystical orgasm' is experienced by each person according to his or her sexuality."

Writing in detailed, sexually explicit language about the act and completion of sexual intercourse, Fernández applied this concept to a relation with God:

"Let us now ask ourselves if these particularities of men and women in orgasm also occur in some way in the mystical relationship with God. We could say that the woman, because she is more receptive, is also more willing to let herself be taken by God. She is more open to religious experience. That may be why women predominate in churches."

— Article continues online —

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-scandalous-book-on-orgasms-surfaces-from-cardinal-fernandez/

AuntiE wrote:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/fiducia-supplicans-controversy-holy-office-issues-clarification-as/

Fiducia Supplicans Controversy: Holy Office Issues ‘Clarification’ as Pope Francis Tries to Quell Open Rebellion Against Gay Couple Blessings
by Paul Serran Jan. 5, 2024 6:40 pm

The unrest in the Catholic ranks is far from over, as Globalist Pope Francis tries to deal with widespread international backlash to the Vatican’s recent declaration on same-sex blessings contained in the Fiducia Supplicans document.

The Vatican’s doctrine office (also called the Holy Office) issued a press release to ‘clarify the reception’ of the new directives.

We have written here about how Cardinal Víctor Manuel Fernández, the prefect of the Vatican’s Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, is a controversial prelate, author of books like ‘The Art of Kissing,’ and target of accusations (by victims groups) of covering up sexual assault allegations in his diocese.

Many see him as a very wrong person to lead a ‘fine-tuning’ of pastoral directives that were received instead of widely perceived dogma and doctrine.

Cardinal Fernández published a five-page press release underlining that pastoral blessings of couples in irregular situations should not be ‘an endorsement of the life led by those who request them.’

National Catholic Register reported:

“Cardinal Fernández said that the responses he has received from bishops’ conferences around the world to the declaration highlight ‘the need for a more extended period of pastoral reflection’ and that what is expressed in these bishops’ statements ‘cannot be interpreted as doctrinal opposition because the document is clear and definitive about marriage and sexuality’.
‘There is no room to distance ourselves doctrinally from this declaration or to consider it heretical, contrary to the Tradition of the Church, or blasphemous’, the cardinal said, pointing to a few paragraphs in the text of the original declaration that affirms the Church’s doctrine on marriage.”


Eighteen days after the publication of Fiducia… the Holy Office finds itself having yet again to ‘relitigate’ its validity – something that shows just how much Pope Francis has eroded his authority.

The text prompted intense backlash from bishops in several African and Eastern European countries and generated confusion and division in most other parts of the world.
“[Fernández] added that ‘this non-ritualized form of blessing, with the simplicity and brevity of its form, does not intend to justify anything that is not morally acceptable’.

‘It remains clear, therefore, that the blessing must not take place in a prominent place within a sacred building, or in front of an altar, as this also would create confusion’, Cardinal Fernández added in the clarification.”


From the official Vatican press release:

“Since some have raised the question of what these blessings might look like, let us look at a concrete example: Let us imagine that among a large number making a pilgrimage a couple of divorced people, now in a new union, say to the priest: ‘Please give us a blessing; we cannot find work, he is very ill, we do not have a home and life is becoming very difficult: May God help us!’ he said.
In this case, the priest can recite a simple prayer like this: ‘Lord, look at these children of yours, grant them health, work, peace, and mutual help. Free them from everything that contradicts your Gospel and allow them to live according to your will. Amen.’ Then it concludes with the sign of the cross on each of the two persons.”


The press release admits that same-sex blessing declaration ‘may require more time for its application’.

“’In some places, no difficulties arise for their immediate application, while in others it will be necessary not to introduce them, while taking the time necessary for reading and interpretation’, Cardinal Fernández said.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/fiducia-s... (show quote)
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Jan 4, 2024 06:57:30   #
manning, you appear to have so thoroughly thought out, prior to posting, your entire eighteen point program, it is well nigh impossible to find any important point of disagreement...

I thought I had actually found a mistyped word, "interregnum," being familiar with the concept, but with no recollection of ever seeing that spelling, however the American Heritage Dictionary supports you.

interregnum /ĭn″tər-rĕg′nəm/
noun

1. The interval of time between the end of a sovereign's reign and the accession of a successor.
2. A period of temporary suspension of the usual functions of government or control.
3. A gap in continuity.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition •
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Jan 4, 2024 03:53:30   #
Bruce, you express well the very sentiments of our God in what was written 2,000 years ago in Jesus' Revelation to His beloved Apostle John!
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"And as I observed, I heard an eagle flying overhead, calling in a loud voice, "Woe! Woe! Woe to those who dwell on the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the remaining three angels!"

And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: "There will be no more delay!

So the great d**gon was thrown out--the ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the one who deceives the whole world. He was thrown to earth, and his angels with him.

Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But Woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, for he knows that his time is short!” Revelation 8:13;10:6;12:9,12
Bruce123 wrote:
Throughout history evil has loved the darkness . Deceit, deception and lying we’re done where it could not easily be seen or detected .
Secrets were a common theme that protected people who lived a life of crime or depravity.
Millions today still hide their moral failures.

But now that is all changing. Evil people now boast about their lack of morality and they promote all forms of evil every chance they get. The American people have generally kept silent and this has emboldened even more people to join this parade of demonic doctrines presented to us daily.
Nothing is left off the table. The very foundations of civilized society are being attacked in ALL areas of societal norms.
Many Americans the past 100 years have had great success and prosperity and lived lives unequaled in all the world.
Hard work and denying ourselves has been replaced with doing the minimum for the maximum.

Our country is in one hell of a mess now and nonstop bickering achieves nothing.
There is going to be a reckoning soon.
The only way out of this mess is turning from this wickedness and seeking Gods forgiveness.
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Jan 2, 2024 09:30:51   #
Thank you, manning,

May our sovereign God bless you and your household with the fulfillment of those same good wishes that you have extended, and may Trump triumph for the sake of this nation... unless the Lord has another plan.

manning5me wrote:
I wish OPP and all the posters an outstanding new year in 2024, and may the good guy win the presidency this year!
Trump, of course!
Manning
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