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“I like your Christ, but not your Christianity."


In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter.



Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.”

"The Christians are the most warlike people.”

like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.

"The Christians are the most warlike people.

like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.

"The Christians are the most warlike people.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Ghandi has been dead for over three quarters of a century, much has changed since then.

Islam: The Greatest Murder Machine in History

Finally, you've confirmed you are neither a disciple of Christ nor are you a Christian.
God does not take kindly to hypocrites.

TJKMO Loc: Bicycle Heaven

You are wrong about me.
I am a Devout Catholic and Christ Follower.

Your chart has nothing to do with current firearm deaths.

Are you really that disingenuous or just lost.

K*****g 6 million Jews 80 years ago by Gas Chamber has nothing to do with this topic in 2024.

Do you think Gandhi was Muslim?
History of Islam has nothing to do with this.

It is a silly diversion.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

It is not definitively known,though often investigated, where exactly this quote originated, but no authoritative source has ever been found linking it to Gandhi.

The same supposed words of Gandhi have been repeated three times in your posted quote above, but in the opening phrase, "[I] like your Christ, but not your Christianity." - the "I" was omitted, inadvertently making the copied supposed statement incomplete...

I re-added it [in brackets] to accurately portray it as it appears online.

Below is an article that appeared in the Harvard University newspaper, "The Harvard Crimson" in 1927, suggesting that the quote was a paraphrase from Oxford's Dr. Jesse Herman Holmes (1864-1942), a Quaker philosophy professor at Swarthmore College at Oxford, 1900-1937.

https://findingaids.library.upenn.edu/records/swarthmore_SFHL.RG5.064

Dr. Holmes was the president of the National Federation of Religious Liberals and an active member of the Socialist party, as well as an active participant in AFSC relief after World War I, traveling to oversee work in reconstruction throughout Europe:

"I like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends [a.k.a., Quakers], has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform."

Technology and science news site, Gizmodo: https://archive.vn/nv7CE
included this quote among other famous quotes often attributed to Gandhi, which have no evidential documentation that they were ever actually said by him.

Gizmodo traced the quote to a statement made by Indian philosopher Bara Dada, brother of Rabindranath Tagore.
The full quote from Dada is from the mid-1920s: "Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you Christians, you are not like him."
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No, we Christians are not yet like Him; we are, however, forgiven through the grace of God, and we have His blessed promise as our assurance that we will become like Him!

1st John 3:1-3:
"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him.

Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.

And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure."

[quote=TJKMO]“I like your Christ, but not your Christianity."

In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter.

Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.”

"The Christians are the most warlike people."

"[I] like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.

"The Christians are the most warlike people.

"[I] like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends, has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform.

Continuing in Gandhi's words, Dr. Holmes said, "I believe in the teachings of Christ, but you on the other side of the world do not, I read the Bible faithfully and see little in Christendom that those who profess faith pretend to see.

"The Christians above all others are seeking after wealth. Their aim is to be rich at the expense of their neighbors. They come among aliens to exploit them for their own good and c***t them to do so. Their prosperity is far more essential to them than the life, liberty, and happiness of others.

"The Christians are the most warlike people.[/quote]

TJKMO Loc: Bicycle Heaven

[quote=Zemirah]It is not definitively known,though often investigated, where exactly this quote originated, but no authoritative source has ever been found linking it to Gandhi.

The same supposed words of Gandhi have been repeated three times in your posted quote above, but in the opening phrase, "[I] like your Christ, but not your Christianity." - the "I" was omitted, inadvertently making the copied supposed statement incomplete...

I re-added it [in brackets] to accurately portray it as it appears online.

Below is an article that appeared in the Harvard University newspaper, "The Harvard Crimson" in 1927, suggesting that the quote was a paraphrase from Oxford's Dr. Jesse Herman Holmes (1864-1942), a Quaker philosophy professor at Swarthmore College at Oxford, 1900-1937.

https://findingaids.library.upenn.edu/records/swarthmore_SFHL.RG5.064

Dr. Holmes was the president of the National Federation of Religious Liberals and an active member of the Socialist party, as well as an active participant in AFSC relief after World War I, traveling to oversee work in reconstruction throughout Europe:

"I like your Christ, but not your Christianity." In these words of Mahatma Gandhi, Dr. J.H. Holmes summed up the Indian leader's view of Christianity in a recent interview with a CRIMSON reporter. Dr. Holmes, professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College and a member of the Society of Friends [a.k.a., Quakers], has just completed a tour around the world, during which he spent some time in India. He had several opportunities of conversing with Gandhi. He was present at the meeting of the All-Indian Congress and had the honor of being the only westerner ever allowed to speak from their platform."

Technology and science news site, Gizmodo: https://archive.vn/nv7CE
included this quote among other famous quotes often attributed to Gandhi, which have no evidential documentation that they were ever actually said by him.

Gizmodo traced the quote to a statement made by Indian philosopher Bara Dada, brother of Rabindranath Tagore.
The full quote from Dada is from the mid-1920s: "Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you Christians, you are not like him."
=======================================
No, we Christians are not yet like Him; we are, however, forgiven through the grace of God, and we have His blessed promise as our assurance that we will become like Him!

1st John 3:1-3:
"Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him.

Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.

And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure."[/quote]

Thank You

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Whoever you've been following even before you came here to be disliked,
it certainly is not Jesus.

Neither does Mahatma Ghandi.

I am neither.


The Holocaust is an example of "Democide", which means "death by government".
The N**is murdered millions of their own citizens.
As did Mao and Stalin.
These are examples of atheistic governments in action.

No, Ghandi was no Muslim.
Islam is an example of a truly dangerous religion,
far more lethal than Judaism or Christianity ever was or desires to be.

TJKMO Loc: Bicycle Heaven

Thank You

TJKMO Loc: Bicycle Heaven

Victims of The Crusades The Inquisition and the Salem Witch trials and Joan of Arc would disagree.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Bible scholars have crunched the numbers, counting deaths from all causes in the Bible, the Inquisitions, Bloody Mary's persecutions, and the Crusades, and the number does not exceed 25 million. This death toll spans a period of nearly 35 centuries.

On the other hand, Islam has k**led 292 million over a period of 14 centuries.

The Greatest Murder Machine in History

By Mike Konrad

When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming t***h is that Islam has k**led more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty.

The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest k*****g machine in the history of mankind, bar none.

The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. -- Will Durant, as quoted on Daniel Pipes site.

Conservative estimates place the number at 80 million dead Indians.

According to some calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). -- Koenrad Elst as quoted on Daniel Pipes site

80 Million?! The conquistadors' crimes pale into insignificance at that number. No wonder Hitler admired Islam as a fighting religion. He stood in awe of Islam, whose butchery even he did not surpass.

Over 110 Million B****s were k**led by Islam.

... a minumum of 28 Million African were ens***ed in the Muslim Middle East. Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim s***e traders were calculated to have died before reaching the s***e market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim s***e raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions. When added to the number of those sold in the s***e markets, the total number of African victims of the t***s-Saharan and East African s***e trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue

Add just those two numbers alone together, and Islam has surpassed the victims of 20th-century totalitarianism. However, it does not end there. Add the millions who died at the hand of Muslims in the Sudan in our lifetime.

Much of Islamic s***ery was sexual in nature, with a preference for women. Those men who were captured were castrated. The mulatto children of the women were often k**led, which explains why Islam was not demographically shifted towards the black race, unlike s***es in the West, who bore children to breed a mestizo class. Add in those dead children; and we arrive at well over 200 million.

Remember that in the 7th century, North Africa was almost totally Christian. What happened to them?

By the year 750, a hundred years after the conquest of Jerusalem, at least 50 percent of the world's Christians found themselves under Muslim hegemony… Today there is no indigenous Christianity in the region [of Northwest Africa], no communities of Christians whose history can be traced to antiquity.-- "Christianity Face to Face with Islam," CERC

What happened to those Christian millions? Some converted. The rest? Lost to history.

We know that over 1 million Europeans were ens***ed by Barbary Pirates. How many died is anybody's guess.

...for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000 - BBC

In the Middle Ages…

…many s***es were passed through Armenia and were castrated there to fill the Muslim demand for eunuchs. -- S***ery in Early Medieval Europe.

The same practice ran through Islamic Spain. North Europeans captured from raids up to Iceland, or purchased, were butchered in the castratoriums of Iberia. Many died from the operations that ran for centuries.

The number of dead from the Muslim conquest of the Balkans and Southern Italy is unknown, but again the numbers add up, surely into the millions over the centuries. Don't forget the 1.5 million Armenian Christians k**led by the Turks during WWI. We do know that over five centuries, vast numbers of Christian boys were kidnapped to become Islamic Janissary mercenaries for the Turks. Add those in, too.

Muslims prized blonde women for their harems; and so ens***ed Slavic women were purchased in the bazaars of the Crimean Caliph**e. In Muslim Spain, an annual tribute of 100 Visigothic [blonde] women was required from Spain's Cantabrian coast.

For decades, 100 virgins per year were required by the Muslim rulers of Spain from the conquered population. The tribute was only stopped when the Spaniards began fighting back -- Jihad: Islam's 1,300 Year War Against Western Civilisation

Add in the death toll from the Reconquista and the numbers climb higher.

Research has shown that the Dark Ages were not caused by the Goths, who eventually assimilated and Christianized:

…the real destroyers of classical civilization were the Muslims. It was the Arab Invasions... which broke the unity of the Mediterranean world and turned the Middle Sea -- previously one of the world’s most important trading highways -- into a battleground. It was only after the appearance of Islam... that the cities of the West, which depended upon the Mediterranean trade for their survival, began to die. -- Islam Caused the Dark Ages

Add in those unknown millions who died as a consequence.

How many know the horrors of the conquest of Malaysia? The Buddhists of Thailand and Malaysia were slaughtered en masse.

When attacked and massacred by the Muslims, the Buddhists initially did not make any attempt to escape from their murderers. They accepted death with an air of fatalism and destiny. And hence they are not around today to tell their story. – History of Jihad.org

We may never know the numbers of dead.

After Muslims came to power in the early 15th century, animist hill peoples eventually disappeared due to their ens***ement and ‘incorporation’ into the Muslim population of Malaya, Sumatra, Borneo, and Java via raids, tribute and purchase, especially of children. Java was the largest exporter of s***es around 1500. -- Islam Monitor

In the same manner, Islam arrived in the Philippines. Only the appearance of the Spanish stopped a total collapse, and confined Islam to the southern islands.

The coming of the Spanish saved the Philippines from Islam, except for the Southern tip where the population had been converted to Islam.-- History of Jihad.org

Again, the number of dead is unknown; but add them to the total.

The animist Filipinos were eager to ally with the Spanish against Islam. In fact, much of Southeast Asia welcomed the Spanish and Portuguese as preferable to Islam.

...from the 17th century successive Thai kings allied themselves with the seafaring Western powers – the Portuguese and the Dutch and succeeded in staving off the threat of Islam from the Muslim Malays and their Arab overlords.-- History of Jihad.org

A few galleons and muskets were not enough to conquer Asia. Islam had made the Europeans initially appear as liberators; and to a certain extent they were. Who were the real imperialists?

Even today...

...Malaysian Jihadis are plotting to t***sform multi-ethnic Malaysia into an Islamic Caliph**e, and fomenting trouble in Southern Thailand.-- History of Jihad.org

Add this all up. The African victims. The Indian victims. The European victims. Add in the Armenian genocide. Then add in the lesser known, but no doubt quite large number of victims of Eastern Asia. Add in the jihad committed by Muslims against China, which was invaded in 651 AD. Add in the Crimean Khanate predations on the Slavs, especially their women.

Though the numbers are not clear, what is obvious is that Islam is the greatest murder machine in history bar none, possibly exceeding 250 million dead. Possibly one-third to one-half or more of all those k**led by war or s***ery in history can be traced to Islam; and this is just a cursory examination.

Now consider the over 125 Million women today who have been g*****lly mutilated for Islamic honor's sake. In spite of what apologists tell you, the practice is almost totally confined to Islamic areas.

New information from Iraqi Kurdistan raises the possibility that the problem is more prevalent in the Middle East than previously believed and that FGM is far more tied to religion than many Western academics and activists admit. – “Is Female G*****l M********n an Islamic Problem?” ME Quarterly

Once thought concentrated in Africa, FGM has now been discovered to be common wherever Islam is found.

There are indications that FGM might be a phenomenon of epidemic proportions in the Arab Middle East. Hosken, for instance, notes that traditionally all women in the Persian Gulf region were mutilated. Arab governments refuse to address the problem. -- "Is Female G*****l M********n an Islamic Problem?" ME Quarterly

Remember that this has gone on for 1400 years; and was imposed on a population that had been formerly Christian or pagan.

FGM is practiced on large scale in Islamic Indonesia; and is increasing.

...far from scaling down, the problem of FGM in Indonesia has escalated sharply. The mass ceremonies in Bandung have grown bigger and more popular every year. -- Guardian

The horrified British author of that Guardian article is still deluded that Islam does not support FGM, when in fact it is now settled that FGM is a core Islamic practice. Islamic women have been brainwashed to support their own abuse.

Abu Sahlieh further cited Muhammad as saying, "Circumcision is a sunna (tradition) for the men and makruma (honorable deed) for the women." -- “Is Female G*****l M********n an Islamic Problem?” ME Quarterly

What other tyranny does this? Not even the N**is mutilated their own women!

Unlike the 20th-century totalitarians whose k*****g fury consumed themselves, reducing their longevity, Islam paces itself. In the end, though slower, Islam has k**led and tortured far more than any other creed, religious or secular. Unlike secular tyranny, Islam, by virtue of its polygamy and sexual predations, reproduces itself and increases.

Other tyrannies are furious infections, which burn hot, but are soon overcome. Islam is a slow terminal cancer, which metastasizes, and takes over. It never retreats. Its methods are more insidious, often imperceptible at first, driven by demographics. Like cancer, excision may be the only cure.

So whenever you read about this or that Israeli outrage -- and there may be t***h to the complaint -- place the news in context. Look whom the Israelis are fighting against. Islam is like nothing else in history.

TJKMO Loc: Bicycle Heaven

Hmm…
So the carnage in GAZA is what?
VENGEANCE?

LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)

Very informative article. Thankyou for it.

TJKMO Loc: Bicycle Heaven

Jesus Christ rose to heaven 2 millennia ago.

What is your point??