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Dec 13, 2018 13:45:26   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
The thing is, for-profit healthcare is fraught with ethical issues. Medical necessity gets masked by the need to make money. We end up paying $20 for a cup of water, or $50,000 for something which took about 10 minutes, and then have to pay again for the facility, and the anesthesiologist, and the billing department, no to mention that we are having to pay for the insurance.

The fact is, the Canadian system is working very well.



Agreed... Ethics and for-profit healthcare are often at odds... I would never want to need medical services in the US... But having an underfunded , overworked system , which lacks the needed number of professionals is hardly my idea of "working well".
Admittedly , some areas are better than others.
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Dec 13, 2018 13:40:00   #
woodguru wrote:
Just an idea that I was thinking would have legs...

not a very good one though, too d******e...it would instigate fights wearing them....

Which may be part of my point about d******eness when people are polarized to where people react to someone wearing a hat that defines which side they are on. It's like crips and bloods wearing blue or red...think about that.



Now that is an apt analogy.. Crips and Bloods indeed... I may have to borrow that...

Maybe we should all go hatless for a while... Kind of a reminder that political affiliation doesn't define who were are as individuals any more than religion , race or social class does...

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Dec 13, 2018 09:56:16   #
I am often shocked at the work ethic of the youth... Sometimes I feel people should only be allowed to v**e if they have put in X amount of
years in the work force( 20-30 sounds right to me)... You deserve so much more... Merry Christmas and God bless...
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Dec 13, 2018 09:47:28   #
fullspinzoo wrote:
And what exactly do you mean by that? How about a little more respect for the unborn who don't have a say in the outcome. Not sure what you're getting at.


Refering to a SCOTUS judge as an "ole bag" is hardly respectful... One may not agree with the individual , but the position is due respect...

I believe that this is an issue that requires not only discussion and debate , but also needs to be given the highest level of civility...
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Dec 13, 2018 09:42:51   #
DASHY wrote:
She was pointing out how dumb Trump supporters are. You just proved Coulter's point. The wall is being built only if you think that a fence is a wall.


Once again I feel that you have missed the point... Having watched the video (a less than enjoyable expenditure of time) I have come away with the impression that she is stating the opposite... Those who v**ed based on the promise of the wall are not satisfied with the progress being made... And yes , there has been some progress made... Nor are they willing to blindly accept empty words, even if they are spoken by POTUS...I am well aware of what a wall is. And equally well aware of what the promised wall entailed... I look forward to a futire of greater security for all

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Dec 13, 2018 09:27:15   #
I seem to remember when all the witches ( wickens ) cast a spell on Trump.. Numerous sources carried the story.... Lots of opposition and name calling from the right... One coin type of deal I guess...
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Dec 13, 2018 09:23:27   #
DASHY wrote:
Both Repubs and Dems agree with the National Border Control Council that repairing existing fencing at strategic locations is effective in helping to apprehend illegal border crossers. "..fencing without the proper manpower to arrest those who penetrate it is not a prudent investment." I doubt that fencing is what Trump envisions when he talks about his Big Beautiful Wall that Mexico will pay for. I never thought that Coulter would be a person to point out how dumb Trump supporters truly are.
Both Repubs and Dems agree with the National Borde... (show quote)


I believe she was pointing out the opposite... Those who support the wall are very aware of both its importance and it's continuing developments
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Dec 13, 2018 07:51:17   #
buffalo wrote:
Not very good at math are you? .13% (see the point in front of the one?) and .08 are pretty similar percentages of Canadian and US citizens seeking medical care outside of their respective countries.

For every horror story you can come up with from Canada, there are a hundred horror stories from the US health CARE system.

And, as I stated, wait times for health CARE in the US can be forever if one cannot afford it.

I just believe that every US citizen should have access to and receive quality health CARE without worrying about going bankrupt trying to pay for it. Private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations DO NOT accomplish that.
Not very good at math are you? .13% (see the point... (show quote)



My math is quite fine... Percentages may make it look like to things are similar , but the larger the number being represented the larger even small differences represent... Which was why I chose to use ratios to explain my point...

I will try again... A larger percent of individuals with socialized healthcare have chosen to seek help outside of their nation... This (in my opinion) demonstrates the flaws of such a healthcare system....

Healthcare and horror stories tend to go together... No one wins in this story telling contest...

I absolutely agree with you... Not just Americans but all people should have access to quality healthcare. And it should certainly be affordable for all social classes...

I believe a balance should be sought... Government subsidizing of medical expenditures and procedures, with the option to buy additional insurance if desired...

Would love to hear your ideas / possible solutions
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Dec 13, 2018 05:33:49   #
A little more respect for SCOTUS would make this a far more compelling post... It's a topic that is utmost importance and deserves to be respected as such...
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Dec 13, 2018 05:24:57   #
JoyV wrote:
I think there are a lot more Europeans wanting Trump like government than we will ever hear about on the news. GO FREXIT!!!!


Agreed... Europe is finally waking up... Hope it is a peaceful t***sition...
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Dec 13, 2018 01:47:24   #
buffalo wrote:
Less than 50,000 Canadians came to the US for medical CARE annually. .13 % of Canada's population. Hardly a mass exodus. While 250,000 Us citizens went abroad for medical CARE or about .08% of the population.

Those are pretty similar numbers. The only real difference is the reason for leaving. Canadians mostly cite wait times for elective surgery. Americans mostly cite the high cost of medical treatment. Canada’s health CARE system is bad for rich people who can afford to pay top dollar to get faster service. America’s is bad for poor people, who would go bankrupt if they paid American prices. Check your moral compass and take your pick.

In the US, if you have a serious health issue and cannot afford to pay for getting it fixed, the wait time is either forever or until it becomes a life threatening issue.
Less than 50,000 Canadians came to the US for medi... (show quote)


1. The US has ten times the population of Canada , ratio1:10... 50,000 vs 250,000 is only a ratio of 1:5...Higher percentage of canadians seek healthcare outside of the country than americans...
2. The waits for many non-Elective surgeties are horrible... My aunt waited for eighteen monthes for lung removal , the entire time knowing the cancer could spread... And just recently my grandmother was sent home after a twelve hour wait in the EU after experiencing a heart attack. She was told to return the next day but the doctor had already left and they couldn't keep her there without his signature.... These are Common stories where I am from... I have dozens of others...
3. I would never trade Canada's healthcare for america's. But that doesn't make it a shining example of a national healthcare system...
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Dec 12, 2018 23:42:19   #
How is it fact checking to repeat the facts then claim anyone who doesn't reach the same conclusion as you is stupid?...
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Dec 12, 2018 22:14:40   #
buffalo wrote:
Yes, health CARE is a right! If it is not a right, then how come a person that paid NOTHING for their health CARE can sue for malpractice?

The lie that Canadians have been coming to the US for health CARE has been around for decades. It is a lie! Canadians are not flocking to the US in any significant numbers.

Check the number Canadians admitted or even at the ER at the major hospitals along the US/Canadian border...the numbers expose that the LIE that Canadians are coming here for medical CARE. The vast majority, something like 87% of Canadians are satisfied to very satisfied with their Medicare for All health CARE system.

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/9/13222798/canadians-seeking-medical-care-us-trump-debate
Yes, health CARE is a right! If it is not a right,... (show quote)



I can promise you that there are large numbers of Canadians who are not satisfied with the waits , the lack of doctors , or the costs of our medical system... Those who can afford it Certainly do make use of the the US for far better , immediate health care
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Dec 12, 2018 22:09:19   #
old marine wrote:
Under no circumstances should rederal taxpayers dollars be used to fund thres perverted ways. If California wants the perverts let them pay from their own tunds to promote this unnatural llifestyle.o federal funds for medical assistance should ne used either.


Agreed.. FEDERAL dollars should not be spent this way... San Francisco on the other hand has every right to decide how they allocate city funds...
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Dec 12, 2018 22:07:15   #
karpenter wrote:
(he drinks...)


I have always found that I am the most articulate when in my cups
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