Government or Single Payer Healthcare in USA? I would like for some of the l*****ts in this forum to watch this video, and then tell me why they support "Single Payer", "Medicare for...

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

I would like for some of the l*****ts in this forum to watch this video, and then tell me why they support "Single Payer", "Medicare for All" or any other Government controlled healthcare program. It looks like it is nothing less than a scheme to make healthcare a nightmare for everyone.

https://www.prageru.com/videos/whats-wrong-government-run-healthcare

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

Trooper745 wrote:

I would like for some of the l*****ts in this forum to watch this video, and then tell me why they support "Single Payer", "Medicare for All" or any other Government controlled healthcare program. It looks like it is nothing less than a scheme to make healthcare a nightmare for everyone.

https://www.prageru.com/videos/whats-wrong-government-run-healthcare

There will be monetary limitations.
One example. When it comes to Medicade, it has already been structured for those making less than $1,600.00 per month. Currently it is $1,680.00 per month. That simple little $80.00 decrease will take millions off of the participation list, putting Billions in the hands of Democrates.

See how it works???

bahmer

Trooper745 wrote:

I would like for some of the l*****ts in this forum to watch this video, and then tell me why they support "Single Payer", "Medicare for All" or any other Government controlled healthcare program. It looks like it is nothing less than a scheme to make healthcare a nightmare for everyone.

https://www.prageru.com/videos/whats-wrong-government-run-healthcare

Amen and Amen the liberals refuse to go down this road to its logical conclusion because they can't sell universal healthcare that way.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

Weasel wrote:

There will be monetary limitations. br One example... (show quote)

No, I don't see how an $80.00 decrease puts BILLIONS in the hands of Democrates (sic). Please explain how you get those facts.

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

Trooper745 wrote:

I would like for some of the l*****ts in this forum to watch this video, and then tell me why they support "Single Payer", "Medicare for All" or any other Government controlled healthcare program. It looks like it is nothing less than a scheme to make healthcare a nightmare for everyone.

https://www.prageru.com/videos/whats-wrong-government-run-healthcare

I agree 100% with the video. I am 80 and have Medicare it isn't free but it is affordable.

old marine Loc: America home of the brave

Trooper745 wrote:

No, I don't see how an $80.00 decrease puts BILLIONS in the hands of Democrates (sic). Please explain how you get those facts.

Probably by guess-A-mation.

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Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

Trooper745 wrote:

I would like for some of the l*****ts in this forum to .... and then tell me....

Crickets....

bahmer

Trooper745 wrote:

Crickets....

Especially when we have just had in the last couple of years the single payer insurance in the EU sending two little kids the death penalty in spite of other countries including the US offering its help and still they refused to assist these children much to the horror of their parents.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Trooper745 wrote:

I would like for some of the l*****ts in this forum to watch this video, and then tell me why they support "Single Payer", "Medicare for All" or any other Government controlled healthcare program. It looks like it is nothing less than a scheme to make healthcare a nightmare for everyone.

https://www.prageru.com/videos/whats-wrong-government-run-healthcare

I watched about 1min 40sec of the propaganda piece.

First lie--Health CARE is a right in the US--Read the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act passed during the Reagan Administration.

Second lie--CANADIANS ARE NOT AND HAVE NOT BEEN FLOCKING TO THE US FOR HEALTH CARE!

The t***h--http://www.marketwatch.com/story/myths-about-canada-us-health-care-debunked-2012-08-09

Also what the propaganda piece forgot to mention is the number of US citizens that seek health CARE outside the US.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/08/17/14-Million-Americans-Will-Go-Abroad-Medical-Care-Year-Should-You

Is "corporate run" health (private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations) REALLY better than "government run" health CARE?

Corporate run health CARE--high premiums, high deductibles and co-pays to prevent utilization, claims denials all for the sake of the almighty dollar (profits)

Government run health CARE-- Ask any elderly, disabled or poor person how they like their Medicare and/or Medicaid. Medicare Advantage plans, run by private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations are ripping the taxpayers off!

http://justcareusa.org/why-traditional-medicare-remains-so-popular/

I didn't waste my time with the rest of the propaganda piece.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

buffalo wrote:

I watched about 1min 40sec of the propaganda piece.First lie--Health CARE is a right in the US--Read the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act passed during the Reagan Administration.

Not a lie, .... read the EMTALA again. Health CARE is not a right. EMTALA says that anyone coming to a hospital for an EMERGENCY condition cannot be "dumped" because of their inability to pay. Healthcare is still not a "right", but the right to life is, so therefore, emergency cases are treated, .... there is a difference. You should read more, ... to know more.

buffalo wrote:

Second lie--CANADIANS ARE NOT AND HAVE NOT BEEN FLOCKING TO THE US FOR HEALTH CARE!

Wrong again. Your linked article is from 2012. Just three years later, in 2015, the numbers were growing, and they are continuing that fast growth.

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

In citing those numbers in its 2015 report, "Leaving Canada for Medical Care," the organization said difficulties in obtaining timely medical care at home is, increasingly, leading Canadians to seek it abroad. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care

In short, you are wrong, and government controlled healthcare is still one of the worst things that could happen in the USA.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Trooper745 wrote:

I would like for some of the l*****ts in this forum to watch this video, and then tell me why they support "Single Payer", "Medicare for All" or any other Government controlled healthcare program. It looks like it is nothing less than a scheme to make healthcare a nightmare for everyone.

https://www.prageru.com/videos/whats-wrong-government-run-healthcare

The Canadian system works well. It's my one l*****t lean.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Trooper745 wrote:

Wrong again. Your linked article is from 2012. J... (show quote)

Yes, health CARE is a right! If it is not a right, then how come a person that paid NOTHING for their health CARE can sue for malpractice?

The lie that Canadians have been coming to the US for health CARE has been around for decades. It is a lie! Canadians are not flocking to the US in any significant numbers.

Check the number Canadians admitted or even at the ER at the major hospitals along the US/Canadian border...the numbers expose that the LIE that Canadians are coming here for medical CARE. The vast majority, something like 87% of Canadians are satisfied to very satisfied with their Medicare for All health CARE system.

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/9/13222798/canadians-seeking-medical-care-us-trump-debate

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

buffalo wrote:

Yes, health CARE is a right! If it is not a right,... (show quote)

I can promise you that there are large numbers of Canadians who are not satisfied with the waits , the lack of doctors , or the costs of our medical system... Those who can afford it Certainly do make use of the the US for far better , immediate health care

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

I can promise you that there are large numbers of Canadians who are not satisfied with the waits , the lack of doctors , or the costs of our medical system... Those who can afford it Certainly do make use of the the US for far better , immediate health care

It's the same here. Not big differences here.

buffalo Loc: Texas

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

I can promise you that there are large numbers of Canadians who are not satisfied with the waits , the lack of doctors , or the costs of our medical system... Those who can afford it Certainly do make use of the the US for far better , immediate health care

Less than 50,000 Canadians came to the US for medical CARE annually. .13 % of Canada's population. Hardly a mass exodus. While 250,000 Us citizens went abroad for medical CARE or about .08% of the population.

Those are pretty similar numbers. The only real difference is the reason for leaving. Canadians mostly cite wait times for elective surgery. Americans mostly cite the high cost of medical treatment. Canada’s health CARE system is bad for rich people who can afford to pay top dollar to get faster service. America’s is bad for poor people, who would go bankrupt if they paid American prices. Check your moral compass and take your pick.

In the US, if you have a serious health issue and cannot afford to pay for getting it fixed, the wait time is either forever or until it becomes a life threatening issue.